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thenotsoesoteric

thenotsoesoteric

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I haven't seen a pic of Mac worth making all the fuss that dude makes over that cultivar. I mean dude is talking about, "no one ever f2 another breeder's work back in the day" type bull shit, no shit that's because breeder's used to release solid worked lines well past f2s...

Trying to tell people not to do something only backfires, lol. Makes them want to do shit out of spite. I say fuck it and chuck it. If you're good at what you do then no issue, right?
 
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jayblaze710

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thenotsoesoteric said:
I haven't seen a pic of Mac worth making all the fuss that dude makes over that cultivar. I mean dude is talking about, "no one ever f2 another breeder's work back in the day" type bull shit, no shit that's because breeder's used to release solid worked lines well past f2s...

Trying to tell people not to do something only backfires, lol. Makes them want to do shit out of spite. I say fuck it and chuck it. If you're good at what you do then no issue, right?
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Cap has made F2s of the MAC and I wouldn’t be surprised if he was working it further.
 
thenotsoesoteric

thenotsoesoteric

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jayblaze710 said:
Cap has made F2s of the MAC and I wouldn’t be surprised if he was working it further.
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I was not saying that he hasn't worked the Mac, I was just saying old school breeders were releasing ibl so it would be hard for someone to f2 those in order to "undercut" the breeders.

I'd hope dude worked the Mac more than f2 the way he is always creating IG drama over it, but then again that's branding and free publicity. Smart, I guess but not my style.
 
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jayblaze710

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thenotsoesoteric said:
I was not saying that he hasn't worked the Mac, I was just saying old school breeders were releasing ibl so it would be hard for someone to f2 those in order to "undercut" the breeders.

I'd hope dude worked the Mac more than f2 the way he is always creating IG drama over it, but then again that's branding and free publicity. Smart, I guess but not my style.
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What breeders? Other than Tom Hill and DJ Short who was releasing true inbred lines? I’m personally not even a fan of inbred lines. Some see “stable” genetics. I see nothing but inbreeding depression.

I think Cap is just annoyed that a new breeder is trying to make their nut off his genetics. I mean, wouldn’t that bother you? (Oh wait, I forgot this is the GPS thread, and everything’s good as long as packs are $30).

Personally, I think he should just ignore it. Someone bought a pack, selected a few males and females and F2ed them. They’re gonna be shit anyways with selection like that.
 
thenotsoesoteric

thenotsoesoteric

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jayblaze710 said:
What breeders? Other than Tom Hill and DJ Short who was releasing true inbred lines? I’m personally not even a fan of inbred lines. Some see “stable” genetics. I see nothing but inbreeding depression.

I think Cap is just annoyed that a new breeder is trying to make their nut off his genetics. I mean, wouldn’t that bother you? (Oh wait, I forgot this is the GPS thread, and everything’s good as long as packs are $30).

Personally, I think he should just ignore it. Someone bought a pack, selected a few males and females and F2ed them. They’re gonna be shit anyways with selection like that.
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I believe dutch passion and sensi had a few ibls and perhaps I was liberal with the term ibl but most breeders from dutch passion, thseeds, sensi, sagarmatha etc offered strains well past f2s.

But I mean honestly didn't Cap do pretty much the thing he is crying about? Using other people's work to benefit himself. He doesn't shout out the breeders of the two strains he used to create his Mac very often from what I've seen. It's weed man and the game is a hustle. There are no friends or honor when capitalism is involve and to get bent over it is childish.

If those guys on IG are selling the f2s that is weak and passing them out as a contest or promo is weak but if I were in mac's place I wouldn't give two shits. Mac will still have lines around the building for his beans even with these guys riding his nuts...

To me Mac just comes off like a bitch and totally turns me off his 1 plant, and again it don't look all that impressive to me but my opinion ain't shit in the grand scheme of things, especially when dude has the juice and I'm throwing salt on the internet, lol.
 
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boybelue

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I think all the old school strains that date back at least 15 to 20 yrs ago were well worked and most of those old seed companies only offered a handful of strains and you didn't see many new strains on there menu very often because they actually took the time to work them and make sure they were right before releasing them. Not like these newer mostly US breeders that have in excess of 100 strains and offer as many new ones every year. Times are changing with all the new legalization, most home growers are more skilled in selection and breeding practice's than times of old where growers were not as educated and needed those stable genetics to ensure good crops.
 
rikdabrick

rikdabrick

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Trewalker said:
Great question, and the only way around not using others work is to travel the planet gathering landrace, wonder how many are doing that
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Even those have been worked for hundreds to thousands of years, otherwise it's just hemp.

I don't think I've ever heard any seed maker (better term than breeders in most cases) giving props to the Nepalese, Afghani, Chinese, African, Moroccan, Pakistani, South East Asian, Middle Eastern, Central and South American, etc peoples. They saved us hundreds to thousands of years of breeding. Also, nobody's asking them permission to use their genetics. All these guys are claiming rights on work that was built on the backs of giants.

There would be no such thing as Chemdog, for example, if Middle Easterners didn't start selectively breeding at least a couple thousand years ago (and Asians even before them). The guys who should really be bitching are the ones who bred hemp into a psychoactive drug plant; now that is some real breeding work. Everyone today has it easy because of them. Especially guys crossing a couple awesome lines and claiming that they did something unique and amazing and it's theirs and no one can own it besides them. Paaaalease. Get some hemp seeds and show us how special you really are, ha ha!

Oh! You own a strain because you found some special bagseed or had an accidental hermie pollination in your grow room? Sorry I didn't mean to step on your toes Mr. "Breeder" man, ha ha!

And I'm not knocking Gu~ either. He's doing the same thing plenty other "breeders" do, just on a bigger/wider scale than some others with more of a cookie cutter approach that's been working well for a lot of people including myself so far.

I'm just saying IMO it's kind of BS for most "breeders" to be bitching when literally everybody is using someone else's work of the last few thousand years. But I get it. People want to get paid for the relatively short time they've been "breeding" (quotations applicable in most cases). It's still kind of weird though and a major lack of humility for the work that's been handed down to all of us.
 
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boybelue

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rikdabrick said:
Even those have been worked for hundreds to thousands of years, otherwise it's just hemp.

I don't think I've ever heard any seed maker (better term than breeders in most cases) giving props to the Nepalese, Afghani, Chinese, African, Moroccan, Pakistani, South East Asian, Middle Eastern, Central and South American, etc peoples. They saved us hundreds to thousands of years of breeding. Also, nobody's asking them permission to use their genetics. All these guys are claiming rights on work that was built on the backs of giants.

There would be no such thing as Chemdog, for example, if Middle Easterners didn't start selectively breeding at least a couple thousand years ago. The guys who should really be bitching are the ones who bred hemp into a psychoactive drug plant; now that is some real breeding work. Everyone today has it easy because of them. Especially guys crossing a couple awesome lines and claiming that they did something unique and amazing and it's theirs and no one can own it besides them. Paaaalease. Get some hemp seeds and show us how special you really are, ha ha!

Oh! You own a strain because you found some special bagseed or had an accidental hermie pollination in your grow room? Sorry I didn't mean to step on your toes Mr. "Breeder" man, ha ha!

And I'm not knocking Gu~ either. He's doing the same thing plenty other "breeders" do, just on a bigger/wider scale than some others with more of a cookie cutter approach that's been working well for a lot of people.

I'm just saying IMO it's kind of BS for most "breeders" to be bitching when literally everybody is using someone else's work of the last few thousand years. But I get it. People want to get paid for the relatively short time they've been "breeding" (quotations applicable in most cases). It's still kind of weird though and a major lack of humility for the work that's been handed down to all of us.
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I hear you man, I guess ye still have to be alive or in this country to get credit
 
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rikdabrick

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Trewalker said:
Great question, and the only way around not using others work is to travel the planet gathering landrace, wonder how many are doing that
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And with all of that being said, Ace, Cannabiogen, Bodhi and a few others are doing just that and working those lines or making crosses with the landraces they collect. And some other guys like Tropical Seeds Company and Seeds of Africa collect landrace seeds from around the world and do seed runs and just release them as is.
 
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boybelue

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You know if they put an oz or qp or whatever it was in that tomb all those yrs ago , there was big emphasis on growing and breeding cannabis, we'll never know to what extent, but with the time folks had on there hands in those days it could possibly exceed the levels of interest we have today. When somebody set in to work on something back in those days they were in it for the long haul. Mentioning seeds of Africa, what has happened to Afropips, I went to pick up some landraces from them and its like they don't exist.
 
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rikdabrick

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boybelue said:
You know if they put an oz or qp or whatever it was in that tomb all those yrs ago , there was big emphasis on growing and breeding cannabis, we'll never know to what extent, but with the time folks had on there hands in those days it could possibly exceed the levels of interest we have today. When somebody set in to work on something back in those days they were in it for the long haul. Mentioning seeds of Africa, what has happened to Afropips, I went to pick up some landraces from them and its like they don't exist.
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I'd bet cannabis breeders/growers and hashish makers were renowned back in the day just like alcohol makers.

And Afropips died several years ago from what I read anyway. I'm guessing it was around 2012 because it was around then that the last of his seeds were selling out in seedbanks if I remember correctly. I was wanting to get some seed packs from him because I was reading good stuff from people growing out his seeds, but they were already getting hard to find at that time.
 
rikdabrick

rikdabrick

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And to get back on the Greenpoint track here's a nice little advertisement for Raindance. A buddy of mine picked up some Raindance a few days ago and decided to buy a pack of seeds for his dad to grow out because he liked it so much. He also made 75% of his order today Raindance so I guess he was serious, ha ha! I guess you have another Hawaii customer @Gu~

If you guys like nasty smelling beautiful buds then it's a good strain to pick. I got one really nice keeper in each of the two packs I grew out and all the rest of the plants were good too.
 
somebodyhearted

somebodyhearted

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boybelue said:
If you have a hermie prone plant that has been treated with one of these products and it does correct it, can you then seed that plant out with good results or will it still pass that trait on to the progeny?
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yes! I clone from clones and no sex issues anymore on the only two stars that ever showed confusion here
 
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somebodyhearted

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whytewidow said:
Or you can just grow good genetics that dont herm. Or if alot of stuff still herms then more than likely its grower error.
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but then you have great genetics that are prone to confusion yet worth the hassle. CaliConnect is a great example, and dont forget the whole damned line up of chems right. everyone buys seeds hoping for good genes but sometimes doesnt work out like that.
I dont know how to cause a herm, I've tried, light schedule confusion, light leaks, soaring ph, still, no hermie traits. I think theres stuff we dont know yet, like how hemp plants always hermie in the field, growers count on it, how these genes have found their way into our genes maybe..
 
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jayblaze710

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somebodyhearted said:
but then you have great genetics that are prone to confusion yet worth the hassle. CaliConnect is a great example, and dont forget the whole damned line up of chems right. everyone buys seeds hoping for good genes but sometimes doesnt work out like that.
I dont know how to cause a herm, I've tried, light schedule confusion, light leaks, soaring ph, still, no hermie traits. I think theres stuff we dont know yet, like how hemp plants always hermie in the field, growers count on it, how these genes have found their way into our genes maybe..
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Hermies are just an inherent part of cannabis. It’s an ingrained evolutionary trait that ensures there’s at least a few seeds for the next generation. You talk to guys that ran true landrace genetics, and those plants would hermie like crazy. It took generations of selection to get it under control.
 
somebodyhearted

somebodyhearted

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jayblaze710 said:
It would still pass it on. The tendency to herm is genetic. The spray is only changing the plants hormone levels, not the genetics underlying the trait.

And again, I think anyone who says one spray will fix it permanently is exaggerating, or is comparing seed plants with clones where it’s well known that clones don’t herm as much as the original seed plant. It’s a product that changes the current hormone levels in the plant. It’s not permanent.
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In the instances I have used the product the correction has been permanent, no exaggeration. I still run both lines non stop cloning from the last clones since 09 with no signs of sex issues. I do notice bigger calyx than the original that showed balls, and they report the same at their websites. I'd have no doubt my results would be the same next time, but you never know.
I did not consume the treated plants back then but would today now that I understand better whats happening

There are many here who claim hermies can be made, that tells me its more than genetics maybe
 
somebodyhearted

somebodyhearted

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jayblaze710 said:
Hermies are just an inherent part of cannabis. It’s an ingrained evolutionary trait that ensures there’s at least a few seeds for the next generation. You talk to guys that ran true landrace genetics, and those plants would hermie like crazy. It took generations of selection to get it under control.
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right, and some say that an enviro issue will bring it to the surface. so it can be suppressed, controlled. I keep a bottle on the shelf just in case, 2wice in 10 yrs used, well worth 10 x the cost to me. (40$ quart). less than a cup used on fan leaves of affected plants with soapy water) balls fell in days never seen again.
 
slow drawl

slow drawl

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rikdabrick said:
Even those have been worked for hundreds to thousands of years, otherwise it's just hemp.

I don't think I've ever heard any seed maker (better term than breeders in most cases) giving props to the Nepalese, Afghani, Chinese, African, Moroccan, Pakistani, South East Asian, Middle Eastern, Central and South American, etc peoples. They saved us hundreds to thousands of years of breeding. Also, nobody's asking them permission to use their genetics. All these guys are claiming rights on work that was built on the backs of giants.

There would be no such thing as Chemdog, for example, if Middle Easterners didn't start selectively breeding at least a couple thousand years ago (and Asians even before them). The guys who should really be bitching are the ones who bred hemp into a psychoactive drug plant; now that is some real breeding work. Everyone today has it easy because of them. Especially guys crossing a couple awesome lines and claiming that they did something unique and amazing and it's theirs and no one can own it besides them. Paaaalease. Get some hemp seeds and show us how special you really are, ha ha!

Oh! You own a strain because you found some special bagseed or had an accidental hermie pollination in your grow room? Sorry I didn't mean to step on your toes Mr. "Breeder" man, ha ha!

And I'm not knocking Gu~ either. He's doing the same thing plenty other "breeders" do, just on a bigger/wider scale than some others with more of a cookie cutter approach that's been working well for a lot of people including myself so far.

I'm just saying IMO it's kind of BS for most "breeders" to be bitching when literally everybody is using someone else's work of the last few thousand years. But I get it. People want to get paid for the relatively short time they've been "breeding" (quotations applicable in most cases). It's still kind of weird though and a major lack of humility for the work that's been handed down to all of us.
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Excellent post Sir.
 
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