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TreeFarmerCharlie

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LMFAO


Dude. That's how you're supposed to count, from flip.

Edit: let me explain. Counting from the onset of flower development is subjective and open to interpretation, hence its not a reliable baseline. While counting from flip gives you a definitive baseline to start from.
Is starting the count at flip really anymore reliable of a baseline, though? To me, that sounds a lot like saying people should start counting veg as soon as the seed sprouts so everyone has the same baseline. The reason why I think starting the count a week or two after flip is because of the fact that every plant I've ever grown usually takes 2 weeks longer to finish than the breeder recommends and it is also recommended to feed both "veg" and "flower" nutrients for 1-2 weeks from the flip. If people should count flower at the flip, then how would that work for people who use 12/12 from seed? I just think a lot of us have been counting from the wrong point, especially since breeders seem to count from the first sign of flowering, but I'm not trying to convince anyone to change their method.
 

Fiete

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Is starting the count at flip really anymore reliable of a baseline, though? To me, that sounds a lot like saying people should start counting veg as soon as the seed sprouts so everyone has the same baseline. The reason why I think starting the count a week or two after flip is because of the fact that every plant I've ever grown usually takes 2 weeks longer to finish than the breeder recommends and it is also recommended to feed both "veg" and "flower" nutrients for 1-2 weeks from the flip. If people should count flower at the flip, then how would that work for people who use 12/12 from seed? I just think a lot of us have been counting from the wrong point, especially since breeders seem to count from the first sign of flowering, but I'm not trying to convince anyone to change their method.

The counting stuff gives us a baseline, not the real truth when the Plant is ready. The End of the Strech is a good sign to count.
 

nc208

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Is starting the count at flip really anymore reliable of a baseline, though? To me, that sounds a lot like saying people should start counting veg as soon as the seed sprouts so everyone has the same baseline. The reason why I think starting the count a week or two after flip is because of the fact that every plant I've ever grown usually takes 2 weeks longer to finish than the breeder recommends and it is also recommended to feed both "veg" and "flower" nutrients for 1-2 weeks from the flip. If people should count flower at the flip, then how would that work for people who use 12/12 from seed? I just think a lot of us have been counting from the wrong point, especially since breeders seem to count from the first sign of flowering, but I'm not trying to convince anyone to change their method.
What breeders count from that? Gromer and others have openly stated it's from the light flip not first onset of flowers.

12/12 from seed is the same thing but you should add an additional 2 weeks to count for the seedling stage
 

TreeFarmerCharlie

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What breeders count from that? Gromer and others have openly stated it's from the light flip not first onset of flowers.

12/12 from seed is the same thing but you should add an additional 2 weeks to count for the seedling stage
I'd have to find where I read that but I read a thread awhile back where some breeders chimed in and they said that they start counting from when the plants are in a 12/12 cycle and the first pistils are showing. So, for example: If the plant is showing pistils when in veg then they start counting right at the flip. If the plant isn't in preflower when they flip, then they start the count once the plant starts throwing pistils.
 

Kronickeeper

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I think a lot of people, including myself, start counting the flower days far to early. I've been growing for over two years and just recently realized that I shouldn't start counting days of flower for 1-2 weeks after flipping the light sechedule.
you count from flip to 12-12 light cycle. 12-12 from seed takes longer because the plant isn’t mature, but when flowering a sexually mature plant, you count from flip to 12-12 light cycle
 
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Fiete

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I'd have to find where I read that but I read a thread awhile back where some breeders chimed in and they said that they start counting from when the plants are in a 12/12 cycle and the first pistils are showing. So, for example: If the plant is showing pistils when in veg then they start counting right at the flip. If the plant isn't in preflower when they flip, then they start the count once the plant starts throwing pistils.

Interesting, my plants wasn't in preflower stage so that's why she toke litte bit longer.
 

FluffsTravels

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Breeders have been know to stretch the truth on finish times.
I take their suggested finish times with a grain of salt unless the strain has been thoroughly tested, which most, "breeders" have not done.
Which is also why we hear from time to time idiotic "new" ways to determine flowering time.

There is no argument. The day you go to 12-12 is the day you start counting flowering time to harvest. Period.
 
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TreeFarmerCharlie

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Which is also why we hear from time to time idiotic "new" ways to determine flowering time.

There is no argument. The day you go to 12-12 is the day you starting counting flowering time to harvest. Period.
I had no idea people were so passionate about when to start counting. Based on the responses I got by saying how I thought I may have been counting wrongly, you would've thought I asked if I should be flushing and defoliating in the same sentence. Just to clarify, I never suggested a "new" way to determine flower time. I simply asked if a lot of growers, including myself, have been starting the flower count at the wrong time.
 
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