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ReefRider311 said:

I think it's too soon to say that the seeds are bunk or garbage or fake, but something is obviously fucky. I will say that there is uniformity in the plants from each of the packs. I am even getting citrusy orange scent from a stem rub on some of the mimosas. I would have never bought these seeds from SAG. Only reason I did was because GU vouched for them, and he seemed to have much trust and respect here.

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ACitizenofColorado said:

@Tangerine_ , you are not going to pigeonhole me with emotional appeals, and you're not going to shame me into silence.


Your post proved my point perfectly. What is Gu doing releasing strains that haven't been tested? Period. End of story.


Your post proved it before you removed it. Fortunately, I happened to be working on this response so your post is preserved. (If you want me to edit or remove a portion of this, simply ask. I'm a reasonable person.) You said yourself that you wouldn't introduce a child to something that hasn't been tested, yet you would buy something that hasn't been tested or grown by the seller. How's that work? With no grow pictures, grow reports, or test results, how do you know SAG didn't repackage mexican brick weed? Gu, presumably before sending testers to other people of the stardawg bx, personally tested the stardawg bx, but even if he didn't, the rumor is that testers are being sent or have been sent to people. Why would he test his strains and not the others he is selling?


It has nothing to do with single seeds. That's another red herring you are employing to avoid the issues at hand. I currently have GPS gear growing in my tent. You're attempting to invalidate my entire argument over 4 or 5 pages by claiming that I'm angry about Gu refusing to accommodate me; but I purchased his seeds after he refused to accommodate me. I am giving him a chance because I loved stardawg, on paper, so wanted to try it out. They are in my tent.


If one of you wants to challenge that, I'll send pics of the seed containers he sent with the two strains and you can admit you were wrong. Coincidentally, I'm going into my 6th or 7th knee surgery tomorrow, so when one of you accuses me of claiming a medical issue that I don't have (as you have done for @whytewidow), or throws out some other red herring, I'll have a time stamped picture of my knee braced post-surgery to prove you wrong. I've popped about 4 of both strains. Only one is currently in my tent.


You peculiar people are looking for a way to win an argument and using emotional appeals instead of logic because you are determined to prove me wrong, instead of addressing the heart of my argument, which was that no reasonable business would put gear out they've never tested, specifically if they began with the assumption that the end use of every seed was medical or critical. Its funny because you and I actually seem to agree on that point. It's like building a car and not crash testing it before sale, yet claiming it has a 5 star crash rating. That's where this whole red herring, medical thing fell off the rails.


Why would you even respond about how important it is to run gear before giving it to a child, if you would not acknowledge the same requirement before selling it to everyone, sick or not? Is there a portion of the medical or recreational market that you feel comfortable selling untested, potentially bunk product to simply because they are not children with epilepsy? Gu should have grown everyone of these strains personally before putting his name behind them, whether or not we decide to call the end result medical. Even if he was just providing strains for recreational or, as some of you have ludicrously claimed, souvenir purposes. To sell untested strains that he has never grown for that price, from a person you have not worked with for years, seems like a recipe for failure.


The only other way I would be comfortable buying the SAG S1s (which aren't even available anymore based on Gu's decision) is if Gu had a multi-year long relationship with SAG in which Gu had purchased various batches of seed which performed as described. Absent Gu personally growing the S1s or having a multi-year long relationship with SAG, due diligence was not performed. A new question in addition to the questions below: @Gu, did you have a multi-year long relationship with SAG before selling his gear?


You guys are distorting the intention of my comment just to win an argument. None of you are actually quoting me in my entirety because the context surrounding the lines or phrases that piss you off proves your points invalid. You're not even including the entire paragraph or the ones surrounding a statement I made. Unable to respond to a post in its entirety, you redefine the argument, move the goal-posts, and feel like winner because you created and killed your own straw-man argument. You're don quixote tilting at windmills with a broom and football helmet, while perched atop a tricycle. I get to ridicule the lot of you because I've engaged in a rational, logical process. Ad Hominems, lacking any rational process, are illegitimate debate tools. But they are perfectly acceptable if the debater has laid out a rational argument and uses them as the icing on the cake to emphasize the absurdity of the counter-claim. You guys attempted to define the entire discussion as being about a single child with a single disorder to invalidate my entire argument, and even then you were proven wrong by the entire body of work done by the Caladrious network, Subcool, etc. You don't even seem to understand what filed you're playing on. You are disingenuous and intellectually lazy. I find that lame.


You're picking away at a definition instead of addressing the meat of my criticism. The whole discussion of a child with epilepsy was another person who felt ripped off based only on the fact that the things which were sold might not actually be as represented; it didn't matter whether they were or not; I did let him speak and he was livid. The risk alone was too much, given the huge cost. I brought it up in context and now the medical discussion is all anyone sees. Instead of addressing what happened and how these seeds were procured and sold, you're attempting to prove me wrong by latching on to a single sentence, taken out of context every time and not directly quoted. You're rearranging furniture on the titanic while the band plays, as the captain circles back for a second swipe at the iceberg. Gu needs to right the ship. Answer the questions. Post your knowledge of CBD, THC and terpene profile's role in childhood epilepsy, because the threads here defined that as the only legitimate topic of discussion.


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Heisengrow said:

WOW dude,Thats fukin crazy on feminized seed packs.I really hate to say it but something is definitly fucked up,Those two packs of GG4 i have are Junk.

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predd said:

I would just send em back.....I've popped all mine ......don't even feel like making cuttings now

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ACitizenofColorado said:

@Tangerine_ , your argument regarding single seeds is demonstrably false, and has been proven to be by people who quoted me more than 6 months ago saying that I had popped and was growing Gu's strains. I have purchased, popped and incorporated his strains into my garden. What is your argument? What? That I was so vindictive that I purchased, popped and incorporated his strains into my system? That I'm using sq ft space in my tent on a strain that I'm hoping will fail? That I'm wasting light, energy, and resources growing something I hope will fail? Those are hardly the acts of a spiteful person. I am giving it a shot despite his unwillingness to work with me because I thought I'd love the stardawg influence. I love the smell of chem strains in the morning.

To be clear, I purchased 2 10-packs after Gu refused to accommodate me. I still gave it a chance. I, as a customer, absolutely have the right to voice my frustration with his refusal to accommodate me. He, as a businessman, absolutely had the right to refuse to accommodate. The consequences of poor customer service are upset customers. No one is immune to criticism for poor service. And I'm not obligated to conform to the ridiculous group think that is currently bending in every emotional direction to avoid addressing the issues. You peculiar people collectively said THC plays no role in seizure disorders not based on research, but based on the desire to be right. You have been proven categorically wrong.

All of you can think I am a loser for wanting to not invest $500 for a ten pack of 6 strains. I did not trust him or his process because, as a resident of Colorado, it's a diverse, competitive marketplace where seed providers often provide proof of a strain's performance. Gu didn't do that. Of course, there is an argument that Gu couldn't provide test results because, from what I know, colorado residents can't test their product. (That wouldn't affect whether he could post test results from seeds grown in California, where people can get their stuff tested). That said, he didn't provide proof of having personally grown the S1 or knowing and buying from SAG for years; so, now people are waiting to see what happens.

As I have always stated, I chose GPS because he did single seeds. I wanted to try a 5-6 of his strains before settling on a a few. It was my intention to grow only his work, having one plant of six different strains all from GPS in a tent at a time to see how they performed with each other. I wanted to see which strains leaned sativa and which indica, to try and find which were stretchy and which stout, so that I could continue flowering similar plants together in the future.

One night I finalized my single seed order, which had about 2-3 seeds of 5 or 6 strains. The next morning when I woke up, Gu had changed the website. When I contacted him and explained that I was very interested in his gear because I LOVE CHEM STRAINS, but that as a grower in a legal state, who can only have 6 flowering plants, I didn't need full 10-packs, he refused to accommodate me. 8 hours had passed since the site switched. I still bought his gear, just not the ones I wanted.

Gu also hasn't come on here any answered many questions, given what is happening. The only thing he addressed was whether or not the story about a bulk seed order is valid. He claimed that the very idea of SAG buying and distributing bulk seeds was incomprehensible, but did not provide any proof for his assertion. The weed game is rotten with corrupt, horrible monster-people. In my view, no matter what happens with the strains, if Gu did not perform due diligence, then he let his customers down.

The fact that he removed the S1s from his site speaks volumes. It is indisputable. It is the clearest fact to arise from these dozen or so pages: that he willingly removed the seeds from his website. He didn't do that out of an abundance of confidence in the product. He didn't do it because he was jealous that all of his customers would be getting a highly coveted, proven strain that he wanted to hoard for himself. He knew something. The question is, what? Did he really remove the whole S1 line over a couple early grow reports? Is he starting to see SAG in a new light?

I am reserving judgement about what happened until Gu clearly explains it.

This thread is getting sidetracked with appeals to emotion. Hotwired (got it right that time) posted the best, most recent summary of a growing list of questions to be addressed. Focus on facts, not emotions. The group-think in this thread is ridiculous.

Those of you claiming @whytewidow lied should be ashamed of yourselves. As if you are the gate-keepers for weed related knowledge. As if you personally know that situation enough to cast doubt.

Those of you advocating a nanny state, (pigeon-holing me into my comment about medical vs critical), where every single adjustment of a strain or CBD to THC ratio must be run by a doctor, costing parents or family members of admittedly sick people money they don't have for a process that isn't necessary, are being deliberately obtuse just to try and prove me wrong.


The treatment of children with seizures is, en masse, done outside the medical system and against medical advice (AMA). No doctor built the Caladrious network. When no doctor in the world would help children with seizures, Forrest Hurd found, cultivated and connected the right plants with the right children, all often without the help of doctors, who refused to be involved. The Silas project is real and is a categorical refutation of most of your statements about the merit of CBD regarding seizures. Even after moving the goal-posts and redefining the argument as narrowly as possible, attempting to limit this current issue to a discussion about children's seizures, you are still wrong. That must feel terrible! Terrible!


Some of you peculiar people even claimed to know, with 100% certainty, that the only thing every single child with epilepsy needs is a pure CBD distillate. Forest Hurd and the Silas project proved you wrong, but you guys are too narcissistic to consider that you may be wrong. You're getting high sniffing each others farts and false logic.


(Forrest begins at 9:00. But the abject refutation of any criticism of my argument begins at 1:02:00. If you do not watch the five minutes following 1:02:00, you are an asshole. A loose, leaky asshole dripping on the legs of society. He clearly states that CBD alone is not enough; a full spectrum, often tailored to individual patients, is required.)


"Not a single tonic clonic or atonic seizure in the 18 months since we found the THC:CBD ratio that works for Silas." That is a direct quote from the mouth of Forrest Hurd, who is the father of Silas Hurd, for whom the Caladrius network began, which pairs disabled children with providers that can, completely without the input of the medical community, develop unique THC to CBD ratios that work for individual children. And yet you guys want a nanny state where every decision must be run by a doctor, where me using the word "medical" necessarily implies that home growers couldn't provide medicine, that only doctors can help children find the right CBD to THC ratio. There were a list of weak arguments over the last few pages. All pertaining to my use of the word, "medical." You were still wrong. Damn...


The argument so many of you made: that @whytewidow was both lying and doing something wrong by trying to grow strains with THC BECAUSE THC cannot contribute in any way to the lessening of seizure disorder, is categorically false. A child didn't have seizures, or had his seizures reduced by 99%, for 18 months because of a unique THC to CBD ratio. Forrest talks about how people believing the bullshit you are spewing, about CBD being all you need, has literally brought him to the funerals for children whose parents operated using the very false logic you continue to push. Did you not take the time to become informed on this issue? Are you really radical ideologues, tricked by fake-news from CNN, and content for years since to wallow in ignorance?


To those of you who made this argument, who talked about doctors doing dabs of CBD in the operating room to ridicule my posts, are you not men enough to admit you were wrong? You don't need to admit that you were spiteful. Or that you were childish and petty. Or that you claimed to have knowledge about no child ever benefiting from THC to the point that you would ridicule my post, but that you didn't do the rudimentary research to establish the facts. Can those of you who lambasted the use of THC and terpenes, in addition to CBD, for childhood seizures admit you were wrong?


Remember, this began because I posted the questions to be asked of Gu. Instead of addressing the questions, you made emotional appeals and ad hominem attacks.


@Tangerine_ , I did use both epilepsy and cancer, given that you decided to include cancer. And then I gave you the video of a man who built the Caladrious network, and whose work thus completely obliterates your statement. I do know what (the fuck) I'm talking about. CBD and THC, in addition to terpenes and probably unidentified factors, play a tremendous role in saving the lives of children with seizure disorder. Never mind the utility of the entire spectrum of the plant for a variety of issues. Everyone here tried to pigeon-hold the debate in the most narrow topic possible, thinking they had it all figured out regarding CBD and seziures. These petty attempts to be right, rather than to find and know the truth, are counterproductive.

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Heisengrow said:

I aint sending shit lol,Ill put them in my chickens food bowl before i spend 35 cents on a stamp to mail some garbage back to where it came from,That be like taking a dump and trying to put it back up my ass,Naaa ill pass.I'll still order more Gear from Gu cause i truly feel like he got the shit end of the stick on this deal,Im good on refunds,nuggets,and credits lol.

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jayblaze710 said:

You have males. They’re not S1’s. They’re bunk. End of story.

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ReefRider311 said:

Very possible at this point that these are shit seeds. But if the plants were actually selfed as we were told, but there was an accidental pollenation from a male somehow, its possible some of the seeds are S1's and some aren't. I'm just holding out hope that there was no intentional foul play here because I don't feel like scrapping this run at this point lol.

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40AmpstoFreedom said:

Well, that is multiple different packs and multiple growers now...

I wonder who the male donor was? I would keep mine if we knew what it was and it was good to be honest ;\ I really wonder if the guy was doing his lemon tree projects at the time of these.

Being uniform plants, seeds, and having smells some what like they were supposed to even on stem rub makes me think maybe it is not completely random bag seed rip off....

Ahh damn my soul is hurting here, really wanted a bright horizon here, but looking pretty dim after this post.

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40AmpstoFreedom said:

Well, that is multiple different packs and multiple growers now...

I wonder who the male donor was? I would keep mine if we knew what it was and it was good to be honest ;\ I really wonder if the guy was doing his lemon tree projects at the time of these.

Being uniform plants, seeds, and having smells some what like they were supposed to even on stem rub makes me think maybe it is not completely random bag seed rip off....

Ahh damn my soul is hurting here, really wanted a bright horizon here, but looking pretty dim after this post.

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ReefRider311 said:

Very possible at this point that these are shit seeds. But if the plants were actually selfed as we were told, but there was an accidental pollenation from a male somehow, its possible some of the seeds are S1's and some aren't. I'm just holding out hope that there was no intentional foul play here because I don't feel like scrapping this run at this point lol.

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Heisengrow said:

Watch them turn out to be ditch hemp Autoflowers haha,I mean is anyone wondering why these plants are showing sex so soon.Wonder what the nose is on a stem rub.That can say alot.

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Goats22 said:

I'll probably return my 'Topanga' pack and grab a pack of CV LVTK instead since I want to run fems next.
Shame about the S1s having issues. Probably also cost me $15-20 CAD to send back too.

@Gu~ is there a CV drop anytime soon? Wouldn't mind a pack of cookie wreck

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40AmpstoFreedom said:

@Heisengrow anyway you can find if Copycat Genetics and Apex from THCfarmer are the same SAG guy Gu~ bought his from? I unfortunately have beans of those too. I am pretty positive they are same guy opening multiple companies under different names.

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Heisengrow said:

Are the stem rubs giving off a strong smell or average>?Are they showing sex under 18/6 or did you initiate sex with 12

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