Grow 1: Day 1, 4xGirl Scout Cookies, 2x240w blackstar LED, 1closet=WE WILL FIND OUT!!
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natro.hydro
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Those look like 5 gallon pots right? couldn't hurt to bump up to a 7 before flower depending on how big they get.
EDIT: it could hurt (transplant shock) but you didn't do to bad getting them to here.
EDIT: it could hurt (transplant shock) but you didn't do to bad getting them to here.
Ghettobird209
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Gimme 3 more months n ill tell you!
uhh i dont think so, i think there 1 gal...? there is no size markings on them?? and when i transplanted them to here they were in those grow root cubes or what ever (look back at my earlier posts in page 1 or 2 i have a pic of them.)
natro.hydro
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oh, my depth perception must be fucked, they look exactly like the 5s in the first pics, but second pics look like the 1 gallons I have and look identical except for size to the 5s. In that case you are def gonna have to transplant. I hear a good rule is 1 gal per month of life, but I have found 3 gallons sometimes are not enough for a thriving root system till harvest.
Ghettobird209
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hmm i was thinking that in the beginning of my research that right around the change from veg/flower time i was to change from 1gal to 3gals?Then after i was reading more and more here on RIU they were saying its also alot on size of the plant/growing area. Be that the width of my room (2feet) is very very minimal i was thinking 1gal might be enough? But i really dont want to hold the plant back and i want the greatest yeild as possible
Im kind of hesitant about transplanting with a large root system going on under? What do you think?
natro.hydro
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If you got a banging root system, which ff of does a pretty good job in my experience, then you will see them get root bound right after you switch them to flower, plants do not stop growing roots until the 4th week of flowering, prob longer in sativas for obvious reasons, but I know at 4 weeks in 12/12 you don't need to transplant anymore for sure. That said I have tried to push it and just wound up with some hermies (i used fem seeds) because i had to hack to the roots to salvage the plant. I was using the root pouchs nirvana sells and the roots circled the bottom then rooted in for dear life lol. Root bound plants are no good, and if those two are doing beast like you say then they are prime suspects for this too happen. It might not happen since you are growing from clone so they have no taproot, I have not had the pleasure of growing from clone but it seems to be pretty close in container size by the end.
EDIT: You can look around for containers that are deeper than they are wide, this is the approach I prefer although you will hear people argue the other way, to each their own, I am still finding my own.
EDIT: You can look around for containers that are deeper than they are wide, this is the approach I prefer although you will hear people argue the other way, to each their own, I am still finding my own.
Ghettobird209
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Phew ok sounds good!
me no like seeds hahahaha So yes then i should transplant for the greater of the plants to 3 gal? when should i? like i was saying around changing from veg/flower (a little before?) Also what is Root bound? sorry!!!!
Bakatare666
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"Rootbound" is when the roots get packed in, and have no room to breathe, let alone grow.Phew ok sounds good!
Also what is Root bound? sorry!!!!
Check out my thread, and you can see the progressive size of plant/ pot I used until now.
I am at the moment, for a couple weeks actually, thinking I am getting close to rootbound, even though she is in a 5 gal. right now, and only sprouted on Nov 9th.
https://www.rollitup.org/cfl-fluorescent-lighting/614769-my-first-indoor-cfl-grow.html
natro.hydro
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Its all good just know that while I am not bmeat i would like to put the disclaimer up that I am still getting started and will share what I have read and experienced someone can feel free to correct me and I will not get offended, root bound is where your roots have out grown the container and have no more room so the plant can not provide itself with the nutrition, I am not sure if it starts cannibalizing the roots or what prolonged root bound can do but when I had it new growth was uneven and losing leaf count (leaflets per leaf) and it started to stretch a bit, and the leaf tips curled not down or up but like spirals lol shit was weird, thats how I knew it was def not nutes, I had them in 1 gal root pouches at 2nd week of flower, shit was no bueno. So long story short yes, transplant before you flower, how much longer until you flower? Are you going to lst at all? I would since you are using leds, want to get a good canopy of buds going, the one bud tech has not worked well for me in the past with led but again I say to each their own.
EDIt: there you go, bak explained it while i was losing my breath lol, and a lil better if I might add, have never really looked into what is happening with the plant when it gets root bound, so much other shit too learn...
EDIt: there you go, bak explained it while i was losing my breath lol, and a lil better if I might add, have never really looked into what is happening with the plant when it gets root bound, so much other shit too learn...
natro.hydro
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and ya baks thread has a great pic on the first post of his lil plant at transplant, that isn't quite root bound because they had not circled the sides, but another week and it would be starting.
If you wanna learn more about mycorrhizae wikipedia actually turned out to be good for something in this case.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycorrhiza
If you wanna learn more about mycorrhizae wikipedia actually turned out to be good for something in this case.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycorrhiza
Ghettobird209
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holy shit my friend amazing! i have never seen a weed plant that looks like that. almost looks like a damn chandilier!or how ever you spell it lol. so many buds. is that lst...?
lol thanks for the disclamer but i trust this site because if you arent correct (which you were) someone else will chime in and let me know. Ok so yes then i will plan on re transplanting to 3gal( should that be ok? bakatare what do you think?) before changing to flower stage. Well to be honest im not sure, Some people told me change over once plant is half way to my growing capacity others say by the strain and others say at 4weeks? im going to go off all of them i guess. But heres the facts i know. I transplanted from clone cube to 1gal bucket this past monday at 7pm. They have only been fed with water and in light sense 7pm so 72hrs exactly right now lol. so im guessing atleast 3-4 more weeks of veging yah?
Also LST. Low stress training... hmmmm ok so it seems really intense and im not sure if i really know how to do all of this with the strings and pulling them certain ways and making sure to have have those things drilled into your buckets and so on it really seems hard correct me if im wrong? but to be honest it looked like a couple of these clones were going under lst as they are shaped a very odd a way that looks as if it was pulled that way.
Bakatare666
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I topped her once, and did the training since she was vegging, but actually I didn't go to the 5 gal. pot until she was a few weeks into flower.
Some people are against transplanting after going to flower, but I've never had a problem with other plants, so when I satarted growing weed, I tried it and haven't had any problems either.
The holes are easy enough, just a 5/16 or 3/8 bit and go around, you don't have to put as many as I did, but it makes it easier in case you want to pull to the side a little or something.
Some guys just use string with washers or fishing sinkers, but I've got some of those branches still tied down pretty tight.
I think somewhere upwards of 10 buds going, not counting the popcorn stuff, and the shorter buds down lower and in the middle.
natro.hydro
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to clarify I lump topping and lst into same group, sorry I didn't clarify but it does not take that much recover time usually so i dont consider it that high as compared to supercropping, if anything before i know it the bottom growth is going nuts.
like stated above lst is just something you get used to doing, work it into your schedule of growing and you won't regret. It is really almost a requirement with leds so you make the most use of light. Could think about going with the scrog approach since you are in a small space.
like stated above lst is just something you get used to doing, work it into your schedule of growing and you won't regret. It is really almost a requirement with leds so you make the most use of light. Could think about going with the scrog approach since you are in a small space.
Ghettobird209
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Do you think i can handle it as a first time grower? Ok so if you could please so be great and let me know what exactly i need to do lst and were to get it. i have the bits and the drill, just the string or rope or what ever and what ever you put into the bucket drill holes and what ever else!
Ghettobird209
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what is topping/supercropping? once again im sorry guys!!!!
natro.hydro
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Topping: you cut the new growth off at the tip or desired distance down the stem, everything south of the cut recognizes that the plant top is gone and grow as if it were the plant top (auxins redistributing to lower branches) there in making 4 plant tops for what would have been one, won't be the same size but with leds the weight on just one main stalk is not great in my experience.
Supercropping: you roll the stem of the branch between thumb and finger until you feel a crunch, do this at the node, makes a knuckle where you pinched for stronger growth and I have read it redistributes auxins for growth. Have not tried this method myself but will one day, have seen some people do it with great results just not on my list of grow variables yet since I dont fully know what it does and as stated other shit too learn lol.
Your gonna prob wanna look into lollipopping too, I feel this is a really important technique since it thins out the plant and makes for bigger top nugs
Supercropping: you roll the stem of the branch between thumb and finger until you feel a crunch, do this at the node, makes a knuckle where you pinched for stronger growth and I have read it redistributes auxins for growth. Have not tried this method myself but will one day, have seen some people do it with great results just not on my list of grow variables yet since I dont fully know what it does and as stated other shit too learn lol.
Your gonna prob wanna look into lollipopping too, I feel this is a really important technique since it thins out the plant and makes for bigger top nugs
natro.hydro
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There is also fimming a variation of topping and while it literally stands for fuck i missed i would give topping a go since this is a lil bit more of a precise cut. there is a lot of reading to be done on this site man, try to find some of uncle bens threads i know when i got started on here his topping thread is what convinced me. More than happy to help, just talking bout ganj is fun for me since i live in a non mmj state, so rapping bout growing with people is a serious no no in public for me lol, this forum is a godsend.
Ghettobird209
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Yah i dont think i wanna try to crunch some of my branches on my plant lmao
ok so topping this is before flowering stage?
haha forshure bro yah i bet if i wasnt able to be social about it in public places i would be hurt!!!!!!!!!!
natro.hydro
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Definitely well before you flower imo, while you do have clones you don't want to stress them too much or they could herm. gsc is pretty new strain it seems, not to call bad genetics cuz i do not know my ass from a hole in the ground on that department. working on it, hard to become familiar with strains and geneology when a lot of it is lies in mj genetics, like I have heard a lot of controversy over nirvana's genetics but I like what I get from them regardless and they always deliver, pretty important in my situation. and ya it kills, luckily i have a buddy of mine who is starting out. He started all organic,EDIToriginally said veganic but he is using ff of and it has guano therefore not plant based nutrition, told him to give it a go he researched it and went with it. He is pissed now tho cuz the shop he bought his nutes from just picked up canna line. funny how in a non mmj state a hydro shop can justify having canna specific nutes on the shelves...fucking capitalists, lets make it illegal but then make boat loads of money off the sorry fucks we lock up the longest for just cultivating life, obviously preaching to the choir since no one is ever free of persecution it seems when it comes to cultivating this plant if you do not pay the right people...
Ghettobird209
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ok so as ive been reading ive been reading about the plants going herm alot! how does that happen? ok so i wont start that now, i guess i'll see how these other two do as they are getting growth finally!!!!
was just playing musical chairs with the girls lmao just got the correct positioning for all the areas that need light. when i first throw my clones under the lights i was thinking the whole plant needs light like the whole leaf and everything, now and im trying position it correctly so that all these growth areas upon the stem are getting abundance of light
