Having a hard time cloning

kizzzzurt

kizzzzurt

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I thought I read somewhere that you leave your cuttings out in the open for up to 30 minutes before putting them where they need to go? That's your problem.

Just do one at a time, don't snip them all at once if you're going to take 30 minutes to get to one of them.

My routine (just a personal thing) is I use fiskers to cut at the node at either a top of from the very bottom, whichever is looking like the best cutting. I then immediately dip into water, then into rooting powder, then stick it straight into the little premade soil cube things. I soak the soil cube things in tap water with my Max Clone organic nutrient mixed in. I have about 99% success and takes about 1 1/2 week to root on average.

Gonna try out Clonex for the first time when I get back from vacation.
 
kizzzzurt

kizzzzurt

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Amazon has Clonex gel for $24 with shipping and everything. Might even have been less than that. I can't remember exact price.
 
panhead

panhead

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kizzzzurt said:
Amazon has Clonex gel for $24 with shipping and everything. Might even have been less than that. I can't remember exact price.
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How is that any kind of good deal ?

Its a simple acid that all the most effictive cloning agents use,the ingredient in clonex is in many many different brands,all of which are $20 cheaper than clonex,just read the lable,the member above even posted a link with another product,again the same 1% indole-3 butyric acid 99% inert ingredients,same as clonex & again $20 cheaper.

Every hardware store,k mart,meijers,home depot,lowes,menards,garden center ect all sell cloning products with the exact same active ingredient in the exact same percentage as clonex for $20 less,how is paying 5 times more than competitors product a value ?

Talk about brand recognizition.
 
woodydude

woodydude

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Light - For a long time, I use a meagre 13W 2ft T5 strip light for clones. ALl clones need to know is it is not dark!
Humidity - Humidity MUST be high. Any less than 60% you will struggle. Over 80% is where it is at. Use a dome/propagator.
Temps - As the man said, 78deg is perfect +/- 3 deg.
I have cloned many times without cloning compound/gell and though it takes longer, it does work.
I have cloned 2" cuts and 2ft sections where I dropped a light and snapped the top of a mother plant. Keep them under 4" for best results. New growth + 3 pairs of leaves is a typical clone for me. Trim off bottom pair, clip tips of middle pair, leave top pair.
Youtube "cloning" and watch some dudes cut!
Peace W
 
kizzzzurt

kizzzzurt

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panhead said:
How is that any kind of good deal ?

Its a simple acid that all the most effictive cloning agents use,the ingredient in clonex is in many many different brands,all of which are $20 cheaper than clonex,just read the lable,the member above even posted a link with another product,again the same 1% indole-3 butyric acid 99% inert ingredients,same as clonex & again $20 cheaper.

Every hardware store,k mart,meijers,home depot,lowes,menards,garden center ect all sell cloning products with the exact same active ingredient in the exact same percentage as clonex for $20 less,how is paying 5 times more than competitors product a value ?

Talk about brand recognizition.
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Calm it down dude, I didn't ask for a lecture. Just letting people know that if they DID want Clonex, it's cheaper online than the local hydro store more than likely.

Like I said it may have been less than that but I'm not sure on the exact price at the moment, I can't really remember. I've been using powder my entire growing life and want to try something different and have read nothing but great things about this. OH, except for whenever I see you going on and on about how terrible it is. I'm sorry I'm not poor?

Just trying something new. If it doesn't work well or works the same as the $5 powder then I may switch back to that, but we'll see when we get there. Sorry if you're one of those anti-corporate hippies or something, but I'm all about trying things if they are supposedly the best.
 
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shnazul23

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Yo I have tangerine dream and it has been easy to clone I use rock wool cubes and it has been great to me I converted over from useing rooter plugs what i found the most difficult with the rapid roooters is that they dry up too quick and if you dont keep on them you will lose your whole tray. what I do is soak my rock wool cubes at 5.5 ph water with a little flowering fert( i use canna flores for coco) and rhizotonic(root excelerator) for about a day then I take my clones. one thing I learned is to cut the 45 degree angle beside the knodes and taking off the top layer skin of the stalk, dip in clonex then rockwool cube. let sit in the some for about a week then check for disease. open vent as needed should have roots in 10 days.check the water wieght add water to tray to get cubes wet and wait. hope this helps . tangerine dream is amazing
 
Charlie Who?

Charlie Who?

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kizzzzurt said:
Amazon has Clonex gel for $24 with shipping and everything. Might even have been less than that. I can't remember exact price.
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Ive used gel and powder...and nothing at all. I cant see that it makes much diff. What Ive noticed is, cutting taken from the lower part of the plant seem to root better for me. Ome thing I KNOW for SURE, no cutting can stand a 600w HPS before it has roots. I think that's the problem, personally. Regular room light is enough, or on a windowsill where MORNING light comes in or under a flo. ANY kind of gentle light, but NOT a big ole HPS.

CW.
 
agesbuds

agesbuds

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Kurt's comment has positive things for all of us even though it looks like he's just snappin' back at Mr. Panhead. Valuable information I might add as he will be able to tell us new guys EXACTLY what the difference was between powder/gel started clones and then the "Baller's choice" started clones. Pictures would be nice?? Remember results is what we thirst for!
 
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TheBudSniffer

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OK i just gave out a whole lot of Rep lol, my plug are similiar to root riot i think there a kind of cheaper version, bit smaller and not as strang but more soily'

i would buy a weaker light but at this moment i dont intend to take any more clones so would be a waste i guess :\

thanks for the great advice, the under water technique sounds like a winner and i am very thankful to every1 taking time to reply, THANKS PEEPS :)
 
DrtyBngWtr

DrtyBngWtr

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panhead said:
Some of you new growers kill me with the typical know it all nonsense,nothing more to contribute other than to dissagree with correct information that they ( you ) personally are not educated in,as for making things harder, how much harder than complete failure can you get,the guy has 100% failure rate using the standard cloning style repeated over & over,should he continue with a method proven to fail him or use a new method ?

Just because you are not aware does not make the information invalid,removing air embolisms is something every florist & amature flower gardener knows & uses,bring home flowers from the florist & put em straight in water & their dead in 5 days,recut the stem under water to remove the embolism & they last 2 weeks,now you've learned something new & this should be a good thing.

Oh,and next time before you just talk shit for the sake of having a reason to post use that time to research embolisms , you'll learn why the underwater method is taught in many botany & gardening classes,beacuse its got a 100% succes rate with growers who have problems cloning using standard methods.
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you go on and on about air but it has nothing to do with air! it has everything to do with his big ass light. i have no use for knowledge about air embolisms. have you ever seen anyone kill every clone because of air?...
 
panhead

panhead

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DrtyBngWtr said:
i have no use for knowledge about air embolisms...
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Here's the thing ,this isnt about YOU having a use for anything,its about passing factual science onto OTHERS who do have a use for all the facts behind the issue,an issue THEY are experiencing,its about giving the OP all the facts,so HE can accept or dismiss the info passed to HIM while helping to correct HIS problem,nothing ever pertained to you in the 1st place.
 
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only71

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kizzzzurt said:
Amazon has Clonex gel for $24 with shipping and everything. Might even have been less than that. I can't remember exact price.
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the local hardware stores sell the generic version same chemical and same strength for 4$ a bottle for 16 oz bottle indole-3-butyric acid .00004% mix 3.5 tbsp per gal of water put in cups one per plant place in light and plant in your medium in 1.5-2 weeks
 
thoumayest

thoumayest

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TheBudSniffer said:
i have a 300w cfl i could put them under? and yes i have them on the floor so lower than the rest, is it usual for them to go very droopy, one seems like she can not support herself in any way and the leafs are just hitting the bottom. is it the strain that is hard to clone do you think? barneys farm tangerine dream, its one of the indico dominant phenos i heard was the better phenos to have.
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If you do not have a dome... I would get one. No need to spay every six hours. Go to hydro store buy a nice Dome/Tray set up and maybe...maybe a heat mat and some rapid rooters and you really cannot go wrong. Just watch your temps and vent dome properly.

It sounds like they need a more humid / warm envirmount and the excess spraying in my humble opinion only makes it worse.

First step would be that dome and vent it properly. Just my two cents 8)
 
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