Hydro Grow Leds posts $5000 Challenge to HID Growers!!!

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az2000

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keebo3000 said:
I consistently get over a gram per watt with my grows. do you?
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Last night I weighed what I harvested from an autoflower 12 days earlier which has been jarred at 63% humidity for 5-7 days: 103 grams. This was under an 85w (actual) Blackstar UFO. 1.2 g/w. Photos of the plant start here (<<link). Harvest is this post (<<link).

I wasn't too proud of the condition of that plant. It's one of three grows since I switched nutrients and began battling an acidic soil, sometimes using harsh methods. I've got that figured out. I'm embarrassed to say it was as simple as overfeeding.

I was only running 21w sq./ft. I've added four Cree 9.5w (60w equiv) LEDs from Home Depot ($8 each) to bring it up to 30.75. It's currently setup on the third of the problematic grows (<<link) mentioned above. I'm excited to see how the next one (seedling now) does with the more sensible level of light and my breakthrough discovery (ha) about the acidic soil.

Prior to LED, I got 180g from the same autoflower strain grown under 162w T5HO with two CFLs added in mid-flower. I don't know how to express that as g/w. But, it's close to 1.

Every time the topic of HydroGrowLED comes up, Cammie's unsavory reputation, etc. you seem to take it as an attack on how well the lights work. I've never said anything bad about the lights. For example, I think California Lightworks is overpriced but I know people get great results. I think Blackstar is overpriced and I doubt I'd buy another. I think there are better values available. But, it obviously grows well.

My sentiment about HGL is similar. But, HGL has the added attributes of scandal, disreputable conduct, etc. which doesn't arise with the other companies. I only mentioned the reputation of HGL silencing complaints (by grassing out the complainers to authorities) because that should be a factor in anyone's decision to apply for the $5k prize.
 
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keebo3000

keebo3000

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az2000 said:
Last night I weighed what I harvested from an autoflower 12 days earlier which has been jarred at 63% humidity for 5-7 days: 103 grams. This was under an 85w (actual) Blackstar UFO. 1.2 g/w. Photos of the plant start here (<<link). Harvest is this post (<<link).

I wasn't too proud of the condition of that plant. It's one of three grows since I switched nutrients and began battling an acidic soil, sometimes using harsh methods. I've got that figured out. I'm embarrassed to say it was as simple as overfeeding.

I was only running 21w sq./ft. I've added four Cree 9.5w (60w equiv) LEDs from Home Depot ($8 each) to bring it up to 30.75. It's currently setup on the third of the problematic grows (<<link) mentioned above. I'm excited to see how the next one (seedling now) does with the more sensible level of light and my breakthrough discovery (ha) about the acidic soil.

Prior to LED, I got 180g from the same autoflower strain grown under 162w T5HO with two CFLs added in mid-flower. I don't know how to express that as g/w. But, it's close to 1.

Every time the topic of HydroGrowLED comes up, Cammie's unsavory reputation, etc. you seem to take it as an attack on how well the lights work. I've never said anything bad about the lights. For example, I think California Lightworks is overpriced but I know people get great results. I think Blackstar is overpriced and I doubt I'd buy another. I think there are better values available. But, it obviously grows well.

My sentiment about HGL is similar. But, HGL has the added attributes of scandal, disreputable conduct, etc. which doesn't arise with the other companies. I only mentioned the reputation of HGL silencing complaints (by grassing out the complainers to authorities) because that should be a factor in anyone's decision to apply for the $5k prize.
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" poor lil dead horse, will they ever stop beating you"? Lol
 
keebo3000

keebo3000

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az2000 said:
HGL has the added attributes of scandal, disreputable conduct, etc. which doesn't arise with the other companies. I only mentioned the reputation of HGL silencing complaints (by grassing out the complainers to authorities) because that should be a factor in anyone's decision to apply for the $5k prize.
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there are two sides to every story. I did my reasearch before i purchased the light and found both sides of the story. have you? looks like your just another rehasher. do you know the person this happened to? is this something you heard/read? do you know of any problems with that company? it seems as if it would be more than just one rehashed story if the company was so bad? right? more than just the one? please find me one person who actually grew with this light and didnt love the customer service except for the thief you and yours keep going on about......i will wait... Because I know of companies that engage in Child labor practices, Sweatshops and yet we still wear nikes don't we? I think outside the box. I do research. I don't just take anyone's word for anything as it seems you do. I say if you can only find one complaint on a company, then that company is doing damn good. especially in this world of winers. lol to each his own. Me? i will continue to enjoy the best kept secret in LED growing. my very knowledgeable opinion. see you on my NEXT thread. LMAO!!!
 
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DarthBlazeAnthony

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bigbudheadshrimp said:
Bahahaha I know I can hit 3 lbs per 1000w light with my Chemdawg cut. You're telling me I'll hit 6? How the heck do I even adapt the LED to work in my vertical bare bulb setup. Also I only spend like $150 per 1000w Genesis bulb with a used digital Solistek ballast and all wiring. lol this is a joke! Local used hydro stores have the 1000w solistek/lumatek digital ballasts on sale all the time for $90-100 used with 1 yr warranties.
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let's pause...you get 9 lbs out of your (3) 1,000w bulbs? We must rewind and clarify.
 
keebo3000

keebo3000

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az2000 said:
There were reports of grassing out from more than one person. Read my original post again.
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don't believe "reports" there was only one. a dude that stole lights. do your research, like I did before i purchased the light.I looked for more than one explanation. I never like to let group speak come out of my mouth. I like for my words to be my own, well researched you do know their are two sides to every story. you should read both, they are available. and the fact that you say Reports of more than one person clearly lets me know that you haven't done any research on the subject at all. which mean you aren't well versed in the subject, which means you shouldn't lend your opinion to something you aren't sure of.
 
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az2000

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keebo3000 said:
don't believe "reports" there was only one.
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Like I said, there was an ICmag member who expressed that there had been many reports on ICmag, and that they had been deleted. He was disappointed, saying something along the lines of "he thought things had changed at ICmag, but apparently hadn't."

He wasn't vehemently anti-HGL. He just felt compelled to post his observation when Cammie replied to the thread with "it was just one person, and he ripped us off." His point was that it was *far* more than 1 person who reported grassing out (or being threatened with same).

I'd urge you to go to ICmag and debate the point with that guy. But, they deleted the entire thread.
 
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DarthBlazeAnthony

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az2000 said:
Like I said, there was an ICmag member who expressed that there had been many reports on ICmag, and that they had been deleted. He was disappointed, saying something along the lines of "he thought things had changed at ICmag, but apparently hadn't."

He wasn't vehemently anti-HGL. He just felt compelled to post his observation when Cammie replied to the thread with "it was just one person, and he ripped us off." His point was that it was *far* more than 1 person who reported grassing out (or being threatened with same).

I'd urge you to go to ICmag and debate the point with that guy. But, they deleted the entire thread.
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what does grassing out mean? IMG_20140919_110603.jpg
 
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az2000

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DarthBlazeAnthony said:
what does grassing out mean?
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Informing law enforcement of your activities.

In the thread I mentioned, Cammy had a copy-paste response that it was all blown out of proportion, involved just one customer, a customer who stopped payment on a check or something. She had legitimate reason to report the fraud to police and it wasn't her fault that it led to a weed bust, etc. But, that's a distraction. There have been other reports of grassing out, customers threatened with it.

With Cammy's reputation (developed over a long time), I doubt she'll give up $5k easily. Anyone considering the challenge should anticipate the likelihood of an unhappy ending, and how much more unhappy it could be if they make a "thing" out of it.
 
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keebo3000

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az2000 said:
Like I said, there was an ICmag member who expressed that there had been many reports on ICmag, and that they had been deleted. He was disappointed, saying something along the lines of "he thought things had changed at ICmag, but apparently hadn't."

He wasn't vehemently anti-HGL. He just felt compelled to post his observation when Cammie replied to the thread with "it was just one person, and he ripped us off." His point was that it was *far* more than 1 person who reported grassing out (or being threatened with same).

I'd urge you to go to ICmag and debate the point with that guy. But, they deleted the entire thread.
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nothing ever is completely removed from the internet. nothing. i can find a million negative reports about walmart, target..even dunkin donuts, but about Hydro Grow. only one.....please do your own search and tell me if you can find more than one, I' ll wait.......
 
bigbudheadshrimp

bigbudheadshrimp

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DarthBlazeAnthony said:
let's pause...you get 9 lbs out of your (3) 1,000w bulbs? We must rewind and clarify.
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Actually in that 3kw vert bare bulb, 12 plant run, I hit 5.25 lbs after losing maybe 2-3 oz to rot. The heaviest plant was a little over 10 oz dry, moisture of 62%. The 3lb claim comes from multiplying the 10 oz plant by the 4 I have around the bulb that got me to 2.5lb even more exaggeration got me to 3lb.

Fellow growers,

It's time to man up.

I've been exaggerating and lying. I want to apologize and hope many of you forgive and forget.

I don't want to cause anyone losses so I'm starting a new thread to offer my personal advice with what I hope are no lies or exaggerations. And if anyone has an opposing opinion I promise to respect you and hear it out. Hey we all might learn something new. Reason I came here in the first place.
 
keebo3000

keebo3000

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az2000 said:
Informing law enforcement of your activities.

In the thread I mentioned, Cammy had a copy-paste response that it was all blown out of proportion, involved just one customer, a customer who stopped payment on a check or something. She had legitimate reason to report the fraud to police and it wasn't her fault that it led to a weed bust, etc. But, that's a distraction. There have been other reports of grassing out, customers threatened with it.

With Cammy's reputation (developed over a long time), I doubt she'll give up $5k easily. Anyone considering the challenge should anticipate the likelihood of an unhappy ending, and how much more unhappy it could be if they make a "thing" out of it.
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hopefully we can just agree to disagree. ...it did not lead to a weed bust as the grower was in a legal medical state. see what i mean about no research. What i discovered (again thru research) was all that happen to the grower is that he was forced to return equipment he initially reported he didn't receive. you know how much credence a court of law give to the word of a thief? NONE. it would be thrown out of court. However on forums you can lie and say whatever you want and most will believe you in this sensationalized world.......and damn...you guys got another thread of mine...that makes three...
 
rainman88

rainman88

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keebo3000 said:
you know,every time I post something about my light or grows your there posting dispariging comments. did i do something to you? apologies if I did.....makes me wonder, have you ever had a bad experience with this company? do you know anyone or personally coresponded with anyone who had a bad experience with this light or company? what I can tell you from Actual experience with the company is that the customer service was second to none. when i posted a video with some deficiency issues, someone from the company took time out of their day to email with what the thought the problem was. and if that wasn't enough they sent out some SM-90 free of charge to help with a spider mite issue. what other company has done that.....in my thread someone asked if I was going to do a run using the SOL series I responded that I would love to, but couldn't afford it right then, Well guess what 3 days later I got another phone call from Hydro Grow asking if I would like a light for the excellent work I did on my grow, all they asked in return was permission to use my pictures and thread. Again, What other company does that? they didn't even insist that I post my new grow online ( which I haven't). not only that they GAVE me a time lapse camera for my last grow. and when the grow was finished they didn't ask for it back. I try to take everything at face value and all though you and others like you keep posting the same thing on the internet about the same incident all I have had is a MORE than stellar experience with this company. Besides that my plants love the light. never been happier....here is my time lapse grow from last month. honestly im glad you posted that stuff....AGAIN. I bet if you looked up every company in the world you will find something bad posted about them. EVERY COMPANY. but if im the ONLY person you can actually talk to about this company then it is two thumbs way up.


God i hope this doesn't take over this thread like it did my last. i am not cammie guys...
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You're Cammie ;)
 
keebo3000

keebo3000

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rainman88 said:
LOL... HGL is a non factor in the LED grow light game ;)
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I get over a gram per watt with my light. do you?
rainman88 said:
You're Cammie ;)
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Nevermind, don't anwser, I see you just started up, and your only two posts are right now, so you must just be troll with another account on here somewhere. you obviously haven't grown with HGL tech, otherwise you would be just like me. LOVING IT.
 
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fortheloveofgreen209

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I am just a backyard tinkerer with a barely 4 x 4 closet framed in an old garden shed. I had a 600w HPS in that room and my temps soared to over 104* in the summer. Don't have enough amps out there to run HPS and an AC unit and a cooling fan.

I got the 300w LED system and put it in there, and this is my experience.

The plants to love it. They don't stretch as much as with HPS for me (I realize this is a strain by strain issue also but I am growing Dream Queen at the moment and I am sure it would stretch based on it's Blue Dream genes), and my node spacing is very tight. I got almost instant new growth, and the flowers are starting to come in. I started these on 9/9 on their 12/12.

My only complaint, which may be due to the construction of my room more than anything is I have some difficulty keeping the plants directly under the light. HPS did put out WAY more light, but because I had it up higher for the heat I could keep all the plants in the focus of the bulb. With the LED being closer to the canopy, I find the tighter focus of the LED requires more adjusting and tweeking than I have ever done before.

I did some cross breeding this year on my outdoor, and will probably use this room more for breeding than making smoke since I have enough to get me through. The LED makes it affordable with what looks like good results so far.

Bottom line is either you're growing for coin or your growing to keep your coin. It's a hobby. With benefits.
 
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