Hydro with Advanced Nutes Shade Leaves Drying Up & Curling Down a Little

This is Lilly "The bride of Frankenstine" hydro an always had full nutes till now. now at a quarter strength. 10 days flowering 75 days old. she never had just water.

^ the only thing i can think of is heat stress or low humidity^

Towards the end of those pics (the 11th one) it looks like you might have some sort of fungal issue going on, but it could just be the flash from the camera making it look powdery white. Also, those plants are really stretched out with some serious node spacing...how far away is your light? What kind of light are you using? Are you checking your ppm and ph? If you have a ppm meter you never have to worry about over/under feeding. Also, why did you decrease your nutes to 1/4 strength. If you are only one week into flowering your nutes should be going up, and up, and not coming down until you are ready to do your pre harvest flush.

frankenstein for sure dude. Don't take it the wrong way cause I lost my internet kid gloves long ago, but that fucker looks like hell. I would anticipate that you have a whole host of fucked up shit going on. But alas, we are here to help. I see signs of...piss poor lighting (huge internode spacing), micro nutrient issues (splotches on leaves), high heat or low humidity (curling leaves...crispy), and I would suspect that you have some kind of pest issue as well.. spider mites perhaps cause the plant just looks beat to shit.

So, we are going to have to take it all the way down to the basics. If you don't have a decent PH or PPM meter I'm not even going to bother but we need to know the following info:

feeding schedule
rez change out schedule
daytime highs, nightime lows, average humidity
PH range of nutrient solution, how often do you check...do you dilute your ph adjusters before adding them?


Ahhh, just saw the picture with your "grow lights". Get a proper HID set-up my friend. A 250 watt is all you need. I don't care what people say, CFL buds are a joke.

Get rid of the AN and buy your self a simple 3part nute while youre learning to grow.
FoxFarm, GH, something along those lines.

PeaceFarmer said:

Towards the end of those pics (the 11th one) it looks like you might have some sort of fungal issue going on, but it could just be the flash from the camera making it look powdery white. Also, those plants are really stretched out with some serious node spacing...how far away is your light? What kind of light are you using? Are you checking your ppm and ph? If you have a ppm meter you never have to worry about over/under feeding. Also, why did you decrease your nutes to 1/4 strength. If you are only one week into flowering your nutes should be going up, and up, and not coming down until you are ready to do your pre harvest flush.

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Yeah I am total agreement with you on all points. First thing I thought of was the Holocaust and what the prisoners looked like. And begging for + Rep is for red headed step children look for validation. If you want + Rep give great advice consistently and it will come.

legallyflying said:

frankenstein for sure dude. Don't take it the wrong way cause I lost my internet kid gloves long ago, but that fucker looks like hell. I would anticipate that you have a whole host of fucked up shit going on. But alas, we are here to help. I see signs of...piss poor lighting (huge internode spacing), micro nutrient issues (splotches on leaves), high heat or low humidity (curling leaves...crispy), and I would suspect that you have some kind of pest issue as well.. spider mites perhaps cause the plant just looks beat to shit.

So, we are going to have to take it all the way down to the basics. If you don't have a decent PH or PPM meter I'm not even going to bother but we need to know the following info:

feeding schedule
rez change out schedule
daytime highs, nightime lows, average humidity
PH range of nutrient solution, how often do you check...do you dilute your ph adjusters before adding them?


Ahhh, just saw the picture with your "grow lights". Get a proper HID set-up my friend. A 250 watt is all you need. I don't care what people say, CFL buds are a joke.

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Once again total agreement. I don't think there is much to save here though she is pretty much too far gone for any serious repair. We could focus on getting him on the right track for next time though. Man that's rough looking.........

Clown Baby said:

Get rid of the AN and buy your self a simple 3part nute while youre learning to grow.
FoxFarm, GH, something along those lines.

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Sorry CB but if you want to be simple, clean, stable and cheaper then Dyna Gro is the way to go. (If it rhymes it must be fine) I switched and holy shit am I happy I do not have to touch the tanks they are so stable and my plants are digging it.

Cheers bro
I'm also in agreement with legallyflying and sparkafire! Environment, environment, environment, bro you have to take the basics serious!!!
The brand of nutes you use has little to do with your problems, don't waste your time with that. Read about the basic environmental requirements cannabis has and start over, you will be a happier man for it, and there are plenty of us here willing to help

Good luck!

I agree with everyone. The plants look bad real bad, I think you are fine using Advanced Nutrients they are one of the better brands formulated for Cannabis Cultivation you just need to learn how to use them and get better lighting.

sparkafire said:

Yeah I am total agreement with you on all points. First thing I thought of was the Holocaust and what the prisoners looked like. And begging for + Rep is for red headed step children look for validation. If you want + Rep give great advice consistently and it will come..

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I put that on my sig because a lot of people who are new to this site (like I am) have no idea what rep is. All I kept getting was likes. And considering I am not new to growing, but I am just to the is forum, so it kinda sucks having to look like a noob when I'm not.
I've deleted it from my sig so that it won't offend the pretentious in the future.

this grow needs a theme song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XydbxeAcD0E

PeaceFarmer said:

I put that on my sig because a lot of people who are new to this site (like I am) have no idea what rep is. All I kept getting was likes. And considering I am not new to growing, but I am just to the is forum, so it kinda sucks having to look like a noob when I'm not.
I've deleted it from my sig so that it won't offend the pretentious in the future.

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I could tell your not new its just a freshman move is all and it makes you stick out as someone that does not know WTF, if you give good advice you will get rep although I have noticed people give likes more than rep. Who knows. Sorry to be pretentious I am kind of an ass.

I agree 100% with the above, but your good using AN dont change

well how do u use full strength nutes if the tds sky rockets wen use full strength. i cant put hps bulbs cuz it would get to hot it was a pc grow but it got to bushie, its my fault for not flowering early then she got burned a couple times and topped her self. humidity i have no idea. ph 5.7 - 6. tds 1100 -1200. florida temps sooo its stay hot even at night. 76 - 79 deg. night time not much cooler low 70's. ghetto is rite lol it was more of a project i got at a friends house.

(nute line bud candy, bid bud, overdrive, sensi grow a&b, nervana, sum times rhino skin) foliar with revive

thats wat im using for flowering ^

all i can say i got use wat i was given cant spend to much more cash till next project.

lmao but give hope to my lilly dont put her down but theres no pest or mold. just alot of hope lol

fair enough. if in florida its probably plenty humid. A couple of pointers. I know AN has a metric shit ton of different products but at this stage of the game, you need to chill on the additives a little. There is absolutely positively no substitute for letting the plants do their thing and earning how they respond to different things. Overdirve, big bud, rhino skin,etc etc are really powerful products (or more correct...really salty). When you have a very healthy plant AND the right conditions...(lumens that you are not even close to) then you CAN see positive results from these products. Quite honestly, at this point, your just throwing your money away. Seriously.

There is nothing magic about different nutrients. I basically divide them into 3 categories...Very good, good but there is better, and harsh ass processed chemical nutes. AN are quality nutes, as are botanicare, some GH, and some,but not all fox farms. Use a good balanced veg and flower formula and skip the additives. If you want to add a little something something liquid light and penetrator is a great source of carbs and one of the only products I have seen that works overnight and has benfits that actually make it cost effective. You can use any nutes you want but I can tell you with a pretty high degree of confidence, that very very few "pro growers" use AN products. They are just ridiculously expensive.

cheers and thanks for not flaming the ghetto video reference

Yah man just use a base nute no sups or at least cut back it and use sensi AB and big bud and
Keep your levels low and you should do a good flush also

What about canna nutes? are they worth the dough? I'm loving botanicare so far.

There all good mate just personal preference

i use AN with good results sensi grow 2part veg an flower sensi bloom 2 part bigbud weeks 2,3,4 pk 9/18 weeks 5,6 an overdrive in 7,8,
i think its down to water quality because someone on the east may have good results with canna people on the west may have shit results,some nutes react differantly to there water supply my personal opinion also get your climate dialled in that is one of the main things
All of the plants’ nutrient requirements are supplied with the water mixed with nutrients. Plants are 80% to 95% water; the remaining parts are carbon, oxygen and hydrogen. Plants extract these elements from the air and from water so nutrients are actually a very small amount of the total weight of a plant. It is the plant’s entire atmosphere that needs to be controlled to produce perfect crops

well u guys are aewsome very informative ive been ready rollitup.org threads for years its like a book with feedback to me. lol. im not changing nutes or buying any more i have all the nutes i need. should i still flush im kinda scared its never had straight water kind of a big change. wen should i change the water 1nce a week. i got about 8000 lumens but over 3 plants. 3 on the hydro to on the others.

You don't need to "flush" hydro..well DWC hydro anyways as there is no medium to actually "flush". And yes, rapidly changing the ppm levels (which is essentially the ion concentration gradient between the roots and substrate) of your solution is not a good thing. Not the biggest issue in the world but still stressful, and your plants look like they have been involved in several near death experiences already. In fact, it looks like they might be suffering from PTSD.?

Changing nutes once a week is a very good plan. You can stretch the rez changes out longer in veg when the pants are smaller and uptaking nutes at lower volumes (thereby having less effect on the overall balance and concentrations of nutrients in solution...which is why you change the rez).

If I were you I would be adding 3ml of 39% h2o2 to that DWC setup every four days as well as I'm sure the water is not cold enough.

OK? ok. Just as an FYI for comparison... I have 282,000 lumens over 14 plants right now... and now you see why CFL's blow dick for growing.

legallyflying said:

You don't need to "flush" hydro..well DWC hydro anyways as there is no medium to actually "flush".

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I would love to believe that and that topic along with molasses use are some of the more controversial topics on the boards.

legallyflying said:

Changing nutes once a week is a very good plan. You can stretch the rez changes out longer in veg when the pants are smaller and uptaking nutes at lower volumes (thereby having less effect on the overall balance and concentrations of nutrients in solution...which is why you change the rez). ".

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Not true, Personal preference you can go as long as it takes to add back as much as the rez will hold before having to replace and then if you add back nutes along with the water you could go longer if you wanted you would just have to be careful and diligent with your math.

legallyflying said:

If I were you I would be adding 3ml of 39% h2o2 to that DWC setup every four days as well as I'm sure the water is not cold enough.

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Oh and the H202 issue is Hot button as well. Look H202 has its place but if you are serious about Hydro Hydrozyme is the only way to go. Why fuck around with H202 all the time when you could just add Zyme and forget it? If you start using it out of the gate you never have any problems its when people don't and get into trouble and scream AHHHHHHH my plants have shit on the roots does everyone start on the H202 kick, Preventative maintenance people !! I never understood that.

legallyflying said:

CFL's blow dick for growing.

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Amen!