Hydroponics Question and Answer NewGrowth Style

protopipe1

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Yeah, I wonder too! I really doubt that there would be that big of difference! And I am just a doing a personal grow so I don't really care about huge yields...I just want huge, dense, and powerful buds. My Ionic nutes are being delivered tomorrow! How is your grow going, NewGrowth?
Well, smoke and pass!! protopipe1
 

NewGrowth

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Yeah, I wonder too! I really doubt that there would be that big of difference! And I am just a doing a personal grow so I don't really care about huge yields...I just want huge, dense, and powerful buds. My Ionic nutes are being delivered tomorrow! How is your grow going, NewGrowth?
Well, smoke and pass!! protopipe1
These seeds are not very good . . . . took a while to germinate and I had to crack two to them to get them to pop. I'm not impressed however this is my second time using Greenhouse seeds. Maybe its just this strain. Very poor seed viability has been reported recently with Greenhouse however. This Arjan's Haze #1 was nice though. I ordered some White Widow from nirvana, I have always had great success with their product. I just feel like every time I want to grow something "new" I wind up trashing it and going back to the same old strains. White Widow, Northern Lights, Skunk, ect.
 

protopipe1

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You know, I had issues with seed viability with 10 Church feminized seeds that only 2 popped, and they died quickly. I think that is why they are so cheap...they are unstable! You are so right about going with the tried and true stains. I like vigorous and easy to grow plants like Skunk and White Widow, I am going to give Northern Lights a go too! protopipe1
 

NewGrowth

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You know, I had issues with seed viability with 10 Church feminized seeds that only 2 popped, and they died quickly. I think that is why they are so cheap...they are unstable! You are so right about going with the tried and true stains. I like vigorous and easy to grow plants like Skunk and White Widow, I am going to give Northern Lights a go too! protopipe1
Yeah I just have grown those strains so much I wanted to try something different. Since this is a personal grow, I did order trainwreck seeds too not K-train. Oh well enough ranting I have trusty nirvana seeds on the way can't go wrong with them.:bigjoint:
 

racer3456

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how do u feel about clearex over old-fashioned flushing for a week? I know earl likes to use it for 2 days before the chop.
 

NewGrowth

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how do u feel about clearex over old-fashioned flushing for a week? I know earl likes to use it for 2 days before the chop.
I don't know I've never used it. I just flush the old fashion way . . . let me know if you find anything else about it though. I'm cheap so my operations run with minimal additives, I have yet to find an additive that is worth the additional cost for a commercial grow, besides H202.
 

bca21

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Im using pvc with 10 holes and 10 misters threw hydro/aero system. I dont want to use rock wool or anything really. Since im using aeroponics, can I just put the germinated seed in the midle of cup of hydroton rocks instead. In other words, put the seed in the middle of the rocks were the rock wool should be? I figured that way, there will be no chance for algie and root rot with over watering. Im testing the system with bag seeds to try the system....
 

zacattak

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I Have A Few Questions...
When Do You Place Rockwool In Hydroton Filled Net Pots?
How Much Hydroton Needs To Be In Net Pots?

Whut Type Of Lighting Do You Recommend For A 3ftX3ft Space For Autoflowering Plants? (IM TRYING TO SAVE AS MUCH ENERGY AS POSSIBLE)

How Much Energy Will I Be Using With 250W HPS (18hrs For 60days)
 

NewGrowth

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Im using pvc with 10 holes and 10 misters threw hydro/aero system. I dont want to use rock wool or anything really. Since im using aeroponics, can I just put the germinated seed in the midle of cup of hydroton rocks instead. In other words, put the seed in the middle of the rocks were the rock wool should be?
You are smoking too much man. The large spaces between hydroton will not support a small seedling. You need a media to start your seeds if you don't want to use rockwool look into rapid rooter plugs.

I figured that way, there will be no chance for algie and root rot with over watering. Im testing the system with bag seeds to try the system....
Algae can be solved my covering your media with something lightproof. Root rot can be avoided by properly aerating your nutrient solution., maintaining a sterile solution i.e using H202, and not over saturating absorbent media (rockwool).
If you get anything out of this, you need a starting media.


I Have A Few Questions...
When Do You Place Rockwool In Hydroton Filled Net Pots?
When roots begin to grow out of the rockwool.

How Much Hydroton Needs To Be In Net Pots?
Enough to fill them to the top:lol:
Ok I'm a smartass, I like to place the cubes a little below the tops of the pots and cover it with some rockwool to help promote root growth and prevent algae growth.

Whut Type Of Lighting Do You Recommend For A 3ftX3ft Space For Autoflowering Plants? (IM TRYING TO SAVE AS MUCH ENERGY AS POSSIBLE)

Lots of debate on this one. I like to shoot for at least 6,000 lumen per square foot. If possible I always provide as much light as possible, regardless of the space. So with that estimate for 6 sq foot space you would need a minimum of a 400w HPS. Now I would reccomend the 600 or 1000w systems if you can properly cool them and incur the increased set up costs for fans, ect. They will result in denser buds, increased growth rates, and higher yields ever ytime however.

How Much Energy Will I Be Using With 250W HPS (18hrs For 60days)
Simple math 1kw=1,000watts. A 250watt X 18hrs X 60 days = 270,000watts or 270 kilowatts. If you want to know the cost of electricity just look up your electric companies price per kw hr, it may change in "off peak" times. But lets assume you kilowatt per hour cost was $.05. The 270 kwhr X $.05= $13.50 total cost to run that light for 60 days on an 18 hour schedule.
All this and I'm stoned out of my mind. :eyesmoke:
 

grownavy1091

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Hey NG, I'm also new to the grow game I just ordered some top 44 from Nirvana today so wish me luck!!:-P I'll be using the supercloset deluxe to get started I'm not sure if your familiar with the system or not, but it's on supercloset.com. I've got the bread to burn cuz I just got out the navy so I'm blowin it, before I venture out and start building my own like the rest of you mad scientist out there! lol so in the meantime, I'm just reading up and doing my homework. Once the seedlings hatch out of the rockwool and outgrow it how do I transport it to a bigger cube? do I cut a hole and drop her in? or is there another way?:?:
 

NewGrowth

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Hey NG, I'm also new to the grow game I just ordered some top 44 from Nirvana today so wish me luck!!:-P I'll be using the supercloset deluxe to get started I'm not sure if your familiar with the system or not, but it's on supercloset.com. I've got the bread to burn cuz I just got out the navy so I'm blowin it, before I venture out and start building my own like the rest of you mad scientist out there! lol so in the meantime, I'm just reading up and doing my homework. Once the seedlings hatch out of the rockwool and outgrow it how do I transport it to a bigger cube? do I cut a hole and drop her in? or is there another way?:?:

I't says ebb and flow on their website for that thing. I'm guessing you are growing right in the rockwool cubes? Are you sure it does not come with net pots and hydroton? That would be more common. If you are using rockwool only the cubes are manufactured to fit with holes already made to place a small cube into a larger one.
 

grownavy1091

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Actually the bottom chamber is auroponic, but it doesn't mist. there's just red nozzles that shoot a stream of water to the plants, and your right, they do use net pots and hydroton for the rock wool in the bottom chamber. But up above is ebb n flow. check out JonnyBlunt88's grow journal, he's got the same set up, thanks for the info though, just trying to get all the basics worked out before I germ anything. I'm trying to find someone else with the same setup, but I don't think that guys on RIU anymore, I can't view the pics from photobucket either, (not sure why :-?). so i'm guessing that once they go into 4'' or 6'' cubes (whichever ones come with it) I won't have to change them out anymore? they just added a new feature as well which is the CO2 Injection. I'll be doing it in the garage of my house so I'm thinking about copping that as well. (not to fond of opening the doors all the time.) thanks for the input and advice. anything else that I need to know please don't hesitate to add input. I've been reading through a lot of everything, but your thread is helping me out alot. thnx:mrgreen:
 

NewGrowth

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Probably comes with 1" rockwool starter cubes these can be placed directly in the net pots and covered with hydroton. No need for larger rockwool cubes in that set up.
 

iceburn

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This will be my first post. I have searched but really having a hard time finding any info about a question I had concerning LED growth. Looking at using a 55w LED Panel, at first was planning on just using the LED.
What I will be working with: Aerogarden, small space could be considered a small closet, 55w LED (red and blue lights), FoxFarm line of nutes.

Not sure if I covered all the basics. My question is: Is it possible to use other light mediums in conjunction with LED? My main reason for using the LED is because of the stealthy'ness, low heat, low power consumption.

From what I have read so far, I understand LED's do have their pro's and con's. I do have a light fixture from an old reef aquarium it is a HelloLights product and the lights are 10,000K at least that is whats printed on the bulbs. This is the ballast (2x 55W ARO CF Ballast Kit - Straight Pin - 48005)

Would pairing the LED up with that ballast and some new bulbs (which type of bulbs would be best?)

Sorry if I am rambling, I have been thinking and searching about this a lot and cannot come up with any info, mostly all I could find are people growing with just the LED, no combinations?

To summarize, Is it possible/worth it to add any other type of light to an LED setup (While keeping in mind a stealth setup)


Thanks!!!! :peace:
 

NewGrowth

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This will be my first post. I have searched but really having a hard time finding any info about a question I had concerning LED growth. Looking at using a 55w LED Panel, at first was planning on just using the LED.
What I will be working with: Aerogarden, small space could be considered a small closet, 55w LED (red and blue lights), FoxFarm line of nutes.
Check out non-organic nutes for hydro you will get better results, hydro and organic don't mix very well.

Not sure if I covered all the basics. My question is: Is it possible to use other light mediums in conjunction with LED? My main reason for using the LED is because of the stealthy'ness, low heat, low power consumption.
Yes you can add it to other lights. LED's are quite expensive and from what I have seen don't add any more bud density than flouros. You will likely be disappointed.

From what I have read so far, I understand LED's do have their pro's and con's. I do have a light fixture from an old reef aquarium it is a HelloLights product and the lights are 10,000K at least that is whats printed on the bulbs. This is the ballast (2x 55W ARO CF Ballast Kit - Straight Pin - 48005)
That light kit is pretty expensive for flouros but if you have it go for it. It is nice to remove the ballast from the grow area. With that heat should not be an issue, the ballasts on flouros gets hotter than the bulbs.

Would pairing the LED up with that ballast and some new bulbs (which type of bulbs would be best?)
I would highly recommend HID lighting if at all possible, I really think you will be disappointed in bud density with LED's and Flouros.

Sorry if I am rambling, I have been thinking and searching about this a lot and cannot come up with any info, mostly all I could find are people growing with just the LED, no combinations?
I am have been trying to follow and LED/HID combo thread, I think the guys user name is Multan. Try a search on it.

To summarize, Is it possible/worth it to add any other type of light to an LED setup (While keeping in mind a stealth setup)
Thanks!!!! :peace:
Yes its is possible to combine LED's with other lighting systems, good luck keep us posted.
 

iceburn

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Thanks a lot! The whole lighting question has been playing on my mind for a while. With knowing that information, and what I have (I own an LED panel and that Ballast setup) Not wanting to spend any more money. If I by chance only had one maybe 2 baby's, would the lighting be sufficient to make it worth it? Keeping in mind not wanting to spend more money on lighting (but make it a goal for future).

Thank You!
 

NewGrowth

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Thanks a lot! The whole lighting question has been playing on my mind for a while. With knowing that information, and what I have (I own an LED panel and that Ballast setup) Not wanting to spend any more money. If I by chance only had one maybe 2 baby's, would the lighting be sufficient to make it worth it? Keeping in mind not wanting to spend more money on lighting (but make it a goal for future).
Thank You!
Go for it it's your first grow and if you have the passion for growing you will want better lights. And bud you grow yourself is ALWAYS better. :mrgreen:
 

iceburn

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There are different types of bulbs for my ballast setup, which bulb type do you think would be the best (you can follow the earlier link, and it allows you to choose a few different bulb types) I'm guessing either the 10,000 or a full spectrum type? :peace:
 

NewGrowth

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There are different types of bulbs for my ballast setup, which bulb type do you think would be the best (you can follow the earlier link, and it allows you to choose a few different bulb types) I'm guessing either the 10,000 or a full spectrum type? :peace:
Try both to get both the red and blue spectrum.:peace:
 

flipsidesw

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Sup Man!!

I just upgraded my grow room!! Its really sweet now. Fyi you were right about the advice u gave me about my fan being able to cool my 1k and a pull plenty of air through the carbon filter. I could easy add another 1k...

Im still trying to find the right system for my 4x3 aera. I wanna find a medialess system where its easy to change res and only need to adjust solution by weekly. I still may go ebb and flow but im trying to avoid bying stock in rock wool. Just seems like a waste of money to me. What ever system i choose the res will need to be beneath the plants so i can get the most canopy space for my area. Any guidance would be appreciated.

Do u think T-5's are worth it? They seem so expensive for florecents..

Peace FL!p
 
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