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beenthere said:

You're missing the whole point, like I've said, the opinion commentary on both sides is ridiculously partisan.
I watch the actual news portions of a few of them to get the stories the other side will not report on, then I do my own research.

But if it makes you feel better to say Fox is worse than MSNBC, have at it, doesn't matter to me!

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No, it would be more accurate to say that the right and it's machine is worse for Amercia than the left. We know full well that studies indicate that exclusive FOX viewers are less informed than any other viewers.

I'm very familiar with telerads. I do a lot of work with them, that's how I know they are paid more by a hospital for the same type of read they would get from a clinic. They also get more from a hospital than if they were independent and read on their own billing for themselves. It's really another example that proves my point.

Digital technology has helped radiology as much as any discipline. Is your wife familiar with Radcare? I deal with them the most.

Tell her we use GE PACS and see if she makes a face lol.

canndo said:

No, it would be more accurate to say that the right and it's machine is worse for Amercia than the left. We know full well that studies indicate that exclusive FOX viewers are less informed than any other viewers.

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Alright canndo, Fox is bad and the left leaning MSM is good.
All conservatives are bad for the country and the far left is pro America and good. And here I thought you were undecided! LOL

Now, if you can just convince over 60% of Americans of this, your ideological battle is over!

Feel warm and fuzzy yet?

Wilksey said:

This is largely true, however, in the end POTUS either signs legislation into law, or slaps a veto on that shit and forces congress to either get the votes to pass it, or let it die. So, while POTUS is not solely responsible for the fucked up shit that has been going down these past 12 years, POTUS certainly shares much of the blame, and should be held responsible and accountable for facilitating fucked up legislation.

We have completely FAILED, as a nation, to select individuals that view their position as a duty to the nation, and instead, have empowered individuals who view their positions as an OPPORTUNITY.....for themselves. "We" get the government "we" allow, and deserve.

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[h=1]Sen. Mark Kirk threatens to hold up Defense bill over Guantanamo detainees[/h]By Lynn Sweet on December 17, 2010 9:52 AM | 1 Comment

WASHINGTON--Sen. Mark Kirk (R-Ill.) on Friday threatened to place a "hold' on the Defense Appropriation bill if it includes a provision to allow the transfer of detainees held in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba military prison to the United States. Under Senate rules, any Senator can stall a piece of legislation--and the freshman Kirk is flexing his new senate muscle for the first time.
The issue flared up earlier this year when the Obama administration moved to buy an underused state prison in Thomson, Ill. in part to use to house Guantanamo detainees. As a House member from Illinois--until he was sworn into the Senate on Nov. 29--Kirk opposed any transfer of Guantanamo detainees to the U.S.
Closing Guantanmo was a central Obama pledge that the president has not been able to keep--a promise made during his campaign on his first day in office. Congress needs to give permission for any transfer of a Guantanamo prisoner to the U.S.
Statement from Kirk:
"Instead of providing Congress with a clean Defense Authorization bill that could win overwhelming bipartisan support, Speaker Pelosi buried a provision in the House defense bill that permits bringing Guantanamo terrorists to the United States. Such a provision would weaken the security of our country. Therefore, should the Defense Authorization bill come to the Senate with the Gitmo terrorist transfer provision included, I will place a hold on the bill and would seek to strike the provision, restoring the current law that bans bringing Gitmo terrorists to the homeland.

"We should not put ourselves in a position where a rogue court can order the release of a member of the al Qaeda core. Just this week, a terrorist attack directed by a former Guantanamo detainee and now senior Taliban commander, Mullah Zakir, killed six U.S. soldiers in Kandahar.

"While we could authorize a federal prison in Thomson, Illinois to support economic growth, it should never weaken our nation's security by housing Gitmo terrorists. I urge my colleagues in the House and Senate to continue our bipartisan prohibition on transferring Gitmo terrorists to the heartland."

On January 22, 2009 as one of his first official acts in office, Barack Obama signed an executive order to close GITMO within one year. On that day Obama said, “This is me following through on not just a commitment I made during the campaign, but I think an understanding that dates back to our founding fathers, that we are willing to observe core standards of conduct, not just when it’s easy, but also when it’s hard

ChesusRice said:

Sen. Mark Kirk threatens to hold up Defense bill over Guantanamo detainees

By Lynn Sweet on December 17, 2010 9:52 AM | 1 Comment

WASHINGTON--Sen. Mark Kirk (R-Ill.) on Friday threatened to place a "hold' on the Defense Appropriation bill if it includes a provision to allow the transfer of detainees held in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba military prison to the United States. Under Senate rules, any Senator can stall a piece of legislation--and the freshman Kirk is flexing his new senate muscle for the first time.
The issue flared up earlier this year when the Obama administration moved to buy an underused state prison in Thomson, Ill. in part to use to house Guantanamo detainees. As a House member from Illinois--until he was sworn into the Senate on Nov. 29--Kirk opposed any transfer of Guantanamo detainees to the U.S.
Closing Guantanmo was a central Obama pledge that the president has not been able to keep--a promise made during his campaign on his first day in office. Congress needs to give permission for any transfer of a Guantanamo prisoner to the U.S.
Statement from Kirk:
"Instead of providing Congress with a clean Defense Authorization bill that could win overwhelming bipartisan support, Speaker Pelosi buried a provision in the House defense bill that permits bringing Guantanamo terrorists to the United States. Such a provision would weaken the security of our country. Therefore, should the Defense Authorization bill come to the Senate with the Gitmo terrorist transfer provision included, I will place a hold on the bill and would seek to strike the provision, restoring the current law that bans bringing Gitmo terrorists to the homeland.

"We should not put ourselves in a position where a rogue court can order the release of a member of the al Qaeda core. Just this week, a terrorist attack directed by a former Guantanamo detainee and now senior Taliban commander, Mullah Zakir, killed six U.S. soldiers in Kandahar.

"While we could authorize a federal prison in Thomson, Illinois to support economic growth, it should never weaken our nation's security by housing Gitmo terrorists. I urge my colleagues in the House and Senate to continue our bipartisan prohibition on transferring Gitmo terrorists to the heartland."

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Yeah, we can't have those terrorists escaping what would be the most heavily guarded prisons in the nation. After all, if one escaped he might locate some high exploisives while he is on the run and divert his attention from being a fugitive to blowing up the Mall of America or something. Strange how the right thinks just because a couple of cave dwellers got lucky 11 years ago they are akin to plutonium.

canndo said:

It is wise to watch FOX. That is a perfect way to discover what the right will be spouting as their own observations the next day. Watching Fox is how I prepare counter arguments a day in advance.

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Wrong

Fox only picks up the talking points from the Republicans "after" they have been sent out into the echo chamber
if you want to get ahead of the arguments
you need to go to
freerepublic
ar15.com
and CNN blogs

Then you will be 12-72 hours ahead of the curve on the latest propaganda coming down the pipe from the toilet called the Fright wing

ChesusRice said:

On January 22, 2009 as one of his first official acts in office, Barack Obama signed an executive order to close GITMO within one year. On that day Obama said, “This is me following through on not just a commitment I made during the campaign, but I think an understanding that dates back to our founding fathers, that we are willing to observe core standards of conduct, not just when it’s easy, but also when it’s hard

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Are you admitting Barack Obama was a bit naive not knowing only congress could do this? LOL

canndo said:

Yeah, we can't have those terrorists escaping what would be the most heavily guarded prisons in the nation. After all, if one escaped he might locate some high exploisives while he is on the run and divert his attention from being a fugitive to blowing up the Mall of America or something. Strange how the right thinks just because a couple of cave dwellers got lucky 11 years ago they are akin to plutonium.

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The truth is
not transfering here does 2 things
Makes the President look bad because he did make a promise
and
If they get transferred to US soil
They get the same rights we have for a trial

Obama signed a executive order to move them
But without the funding
it wont happen

Wait till obamas second term
When he doesnt have to worry about re election

beenthere said:

Are you admitting Barack Obama was a bit naive not knowing only congress could do this? LOL

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Are you admitting that Obama didnt break a promise?
or just admitting you are full of shit on a daily basis

I'm still not sure moving GITMO residents to a different prison solves anything. It really is a cluster, most of the evidence against these guys is so tainted it couldn't be used in a typical court of law. We will have people sitting in prison, without any hope of trial, for years. Maybe even decades.

Funny thing is Bush wanted it closed too, he just wasn't smart enough to figure out how, he was in negotiations with Ally countries to take them but nobody would. He WAS however smart enough not to sign an executive order claiming he'd close it within a year.

ginwilly said:

I love free enterprise, the medical community is under no such illusion we are allowed to practice this.

It's OK for not hearing that claim, you were deafened by his awesomeness.
[video=youtube;lUd-slJc-GY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUd-slJc-GY[/video]

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LOL, this is ridiculous, health insurance premiums are going to go up! Think about it, when you restrict health insurance companies from preventing loss, for example like making them accept patients with pre existing conditions, they are going to lose money. They have to make up this loss by raising the cost of premiums. The intentions are good by preventing people from being denied, but you have to be realistic and understand that these benefits do come with costs. This isn't magical fantasy land where the cheaper things are the better they are. The idea of a government price control by competition wont work either, because health insurance companies aren't going to lower their rates so they they are netting a loss. I mean we can look at Massachusetts and see that individual mandates do in fact drive up costs. This is the point of letting states legislate themselves, we can look at individual states and determine the most efficient legislation. Obamacare/Romneycare, is more expensive but it does increase the percentage covered:





(Romneycare was enacted in 2006)

LOL Cheesus points out a Senator blocking a move designed to filter money to our favorite state almost 2 years after the executive order was signed as proof that Obama didn't break his word. Now that's a reach(around).

ginwilly said:

LOL Cheesus points out a Senator blocking a move designed to filter money to our favorite state almost 2 years after the executive order was signed as proof that Obama didn't break his word. Now that's a reach(around).

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I am pointing out
Obama signed a executive order to move the prisoners
and congress blocked funding for it
No Money
No Move

Obama will do it right after he is reelected
and the Tears and gnashing of teeth from the right will be sweet music to my ears

ChesusRice said:

I am pointing out
Obama signed a executive order to move the prisoners
and congress blocked funding for it
No Money
No Move

Obama will do it right after he is reelected
and the Tears and gnashing of teeth from the right will be sweet music to my ears

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Yes, maybe if we give him 4 more years he will actually close gitmo, end the wars overseas, implement a fantasy health plan, deport record breaking amounts of immigrants again, legislate by race, take away more of our civil liberties, and have record spending on the drug war again. Change we can believe in.

But this thread is about fantasy health care which is better health care at cheaper costs through government.

ChesusRice said:

I am pointing out
Obama signed a executive order to move the prisoners
and congress blocked funding for it
No Money
No Move

Obama will do it right after he is reelected
and the Tears and gnashing of teeth from the right will be sweet music to my ears

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He had a democrat controlled congress for 2 years after he signed that order and couldn't get it done, he's lost that now, how will he do it next term?

ginwilly said:

The things I disliked about Bush, the wars;
we are still in Afghanistan and have 5000 hired mercs in Iraq
The Patriot Act; Obama added cell phones because it didn't go far enough
No Child Left Behind; Obama did improve this, but then race pandered right before the election
Medicare expansion without paying for it; Obamacare....ew
The silly war on drugs; oman, this one was really unexpected how things have turned for the worse.

I really don't see far cry better. I'd rather have a beer with Biden than Cheney though and it's not even close. I felt Cheney was the man pulling the strings, I see Biden as pulling strings on a sweater to see what happens.

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This is a wonderful capsule of my opinion as well. I'm not saying the other guy would have done any better, but seeing as how Obama's acts differed so strongly from his intentions, some "fireside chats" to let us in on his rationale would have been welcomed. cn

ChesusRice said:

In January 2009, before President Obama had even taken the oath of office, annual spending was set to total 24.9 percent of gross domestic product. Total spending this year, fiscal year 2012, is expected to top out at 23.4 percent of GDP.
Here’s another interesting fact. Taxes today are lower than they were on inauguration day 2009. Back in January 2009, the CBO projected that total federal tax revenue that year would amount to 16.5 percent of GDP. This year? 15.8 percent.
One last nugget. The deficit this year is going to be lower than what it was on the day President Obama took office. Back then, the CBO said the 2009 deficit would be 8.3 percent of GDP. This year’s deficit is expected to come in at 7.6 percent.

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The CBO said? LOL @ the CBO, have they ever gotten anything right? I mean these are the guys that said SS would be funded forever, OBamacare would cost $1 and all our troubles were over.

ONly a idiot would rely on what the CBO saYS.

canndo said:

Because "they all do it" that makes everything balance out right? One side pulls to the right but the ones that pull to the left leaves us well rounded.

Except that it does not nor will you find that the left is as egregious in its actions as the right. Fox doesn't even inhabit the same universe as reality yet they lead the charge, set the stage and arrange the assaults on what is real.

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LMAO if you don't think CNN, MSNBC and the others do the EXACT same shit Fox does. They all make up shit and then lie lie lie. Just because you think the liberal media is god sent doesn't mean they really are.

NoDrama said:

The CBO said? LOL @ the CBO, have they ever gotten anything right? I mean these are the guys that said SS would be funded forever, OBamacare would cost $1 and all our troubles were over.

ONly a idiot would rely on what the CBO saYS.

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I can't really blame the CBO for being wrong, they are actually pretty brilliant number crunchers. They can only score what they know, human behavior is pretty tough to predict which makes scoring nothing more than a guess.

Laffer says the biggest mistake they made when Reagan revamped the tax code was postponing the new tax laws. It was unexpected the amount of people who would defer profits until the next year when they went into effect. There was an immediate slow down in the economy after the new bill was signed. The CBO came in over on their revenue projections for the year because of this. The following year projections were based present numbers with a base growth of GDP but our economy exploded so the projections came in low.

They look at like this, if I make 10k and the government take is 2500 and they raise my tax rate to 3000 they can only predict an increase of 500. What they can't account for is I may work less overtime because it's not worth it to me anymore since I'm getting less for it or I may work more overtime to make up the difference. If I make any changes at all in my behavior their projections are off.

For this reason projecting increase or decrease in revenues based on taxes is a fools folly. If we could predict human behavior Keynesian economics would actually work. We look at history and say X caused Y and base our predictions based on doing X. We can't predict the rest of the alphabet though, attacks on our soil, droughts, a capital strike, election results etc and how we behave to each. It's fun to keep trying though, even though a 10 year out projection is impossible. If they ever did get one right it would be pure blind luck.

Don't hate the CBO for being wrong all of the time, they are just math guys plugging in numbers based on what's in front of them. They are very very good at this part.

Edit: I agree with you about not relying on their predictions but idiot is strong. Naive, uninformed or desperate to win an argument are other reasons as well as being an idiot.