"I Am Pledging To Cut The Deficit We Inherited By Half By The End Of My First Term In

ChesusRice

Well-Known Member
So who told you the CBO sucked at forecasting?

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/ftpdocs/115xx/doc11553/forecastingaccuracy.pdf
Two-Year Forecasts​

Historically, CBO’s two-year forecasts, as measured bythe root-mean-square error, have been about as accurateas those by the Administration and the​
Blue Chip consensusforecasts. Those forecasts typically focus on variousmeasures of the economy’s performance, includinggrowth in real and nominal output, inflation in the CPI,fluctuations in nominal short- and long-term interestrates and in real short-term interest rates, the differencebetween the growth of the CPI and the GDP price index,and rates of growth of taxable income.
Growth in Real Output.​
The accuracy of CBO’s forecastsclosely matched that of the Blue Chip consensus for the27 two-year forecasts made between 1982 and 2008 (seeTable 3 on page 14). CBO’s root-mean-square error was1.4 percentage points, as was that for the Blue Chip consensus.The two sets of errors were highly positively correlated;when CBO’s error was relatively large, the BlueChip’s error also was large and in the same direction. Inaddition, CBO was closer to the actual value in eight ofthe forecasts in which the forecasting errors differed bymore than 0.1 percentage point, and the Blue Chip wascloser in seven other forecasts. (CBO’s forecasts, whichwere published in the same month as the Blue Chip forecastswith which they were compared, were normallycompleted about six weeks earlier to provide time for thebudget projections to be prepared. Overall, the Administration’sforecasts were about as accurate as those of CBO,although the Administration’s forecasts were preparedeven earlier.)Forecasting errors tend to be larger at turning points inthe business cycle and when shifts occur in major economictrends. That tendency can be clearly seen in forecastsof growth in real output by comparing the errorsmade from 1979 to 1983—when the economy wentthrough a very turbulent recessionary period—with thesmaller errors recorded during the years from 1985 to1987, when the economy was in the middle of a cyclicexpansion. More recently, the recession of 2001 and theslow recovery in 2002 accounted for the overpredictionsmade by all three forecasters in 2000 and 2001. Similarly,the recession that began in late 2007 explains much ofthe overpredictions in forecasts published in 2007 and2008.All three forecasters underpredicted two-year growth inreal GDP in every year between 1992 and 1999, withvery large errors for the two-year forecasts made between1996 and 1999. About one-fourth of that apparent pessimismresulted from subsequent revisions to the NIPAs,which included important definitional changes. Thosedata revisions aside, the significant underpredictionsmade between 1996 and 1999 reflect the failure of analyststo foresee important economic developments—inparticular, the investment boom of the late 1990s, whichincreased the capital stock and thereby boosted labor productivity
and real output.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
This is akin to my promising my children that I will bring them home an icecream cake but on the way I encounter a horrible accident and I manage to help save the lives of those involved. When I finally get home and the cake is all melted my kids say "but you PROMISED", "you LIED", "You aren't a good dad at all"
Canndo, this caught my attention earlier today, and I apologize for bringing it back so late, but ...
wow. If cutting the deficit in half is the equivalent of (the undelivered) halving of the deficit, then what accomplishment (by Obama andor his administration) are you holding up as the real equivalent of the metaphoric lifesaving? cn
 

ginwilly

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Cheezus did you even read what you copy/pasted? The CBO is as good as any on short term predictions unless something happens they didn't plan for, then they as well as everyone else is bad wrong. How is that any different than what I said?
 

kelly4

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I'm very familiar with telerads. I do a lot of work with them, that's how I know they are paid more by a hospital for the same type of read they would get from a clinic.It's really another example that proves my point.

Digital technology has helped radiology as much as any discipline. Is your wife familiar with Radcare? I deal with them the most.

Tell her we use GE PACS and see if she makes a face lol.
There are a few small reasons that they charge a hospital more than a clinic or stand alone imaging center. Honestly, I don't know enough about them to talk about 'em though, only what she tells me. She did say that the amount is pretty inconsequential.

As far as GE PACS, she said they're all very good and that GE is just a little more expensive because of the name.

All of this still doesn't change the fact that if it falls under Obamacare, there will be limits on what rads can charge...
 

InCognition

Active Member
Both have an idea of how they think the world should be. It doesn't rally matter if the people don't agree with it. Neither one really cares. They just want to make things the way they think they should be and that is all that matters to them. They couldn't give a damn if it harms us economically or otherwise.
Agreed.

When you design systems, programs, and structures based on how you want them to be, rather than of the pure facts of how they actually work, in regards to their monetary sustainability, and ethical basis, you've done nothing except create a paradox. Creating a paradox is essentially hypocrisy, and hypocrisy is ignorant. A lot of current, and soon-to-be government systems are, and will be ignorant, on this basis.
 

canndo

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Alright canndo, Fox is bad and the left leaning MSM is good.
All conservatives are bad for the country and the far left is pro America and good. And here I thought you were undecided! LOL

Now, if you can just convince over 60% of Americans of this, your ideological battle is over!

Feel warm and fuzzy yet?
Fox is bad, it is bad for the country, it is bad for society but it is good for the richest of us in this country. Or do you believe that purposefully misinforming the citizens is a good thing?
 

canndo

Well-Known Member
Canndo, this caught my attention earlier today, and I apologize for bringing it back so late, but ...
wow. If cutting the deficit in half is the equivalent of (the undelivered) halving of the deficit, then what accomplishment (by Obama andor his administration) are you holding up as the real equivalent of the metaphoric lifesaving? cn

We will never know, but we can discover clues that indicate that our recession might have collapsed into a full scale depression had Obama not spent what he did. I think that is akin to "saving lives instead of delivering cake".
 

ChesusRice

Well-Known Member
Fox is bad, it is bad for the country, it is bad for society but it is good for the richest of us in this country. Or do you believe that purposefully misinforming the citizens is a good thing?
A little Trivia for you
Rush Limbaugh paid by and carried on Clear Channel communications

Clear Channel communications is owned by
Bain Capital
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
We will never know, but we can discover clues that indicate that our recession might have collapsed into a full scale depression had Obama not spent what he did. I think that is akin to "saving lives instead of delivering cake".
I worry that we might have merely deferred the depression, Japan-style. cn
 

canndo

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I worry that we might have merely deferred the depression, Japan-style. cn

Throwing temporary monitary fixes at the problem without underlying changes in law and regulation may well mean the depression is not only deferred but lenghtened.
 

ChesusRice

Well-Known Member
Throwing temporary monitary fixes at the problem without underlying changes in law and regulation may well mean the depression is not only deferred but lenghtened.

The rich dont give a rats ass
They are here to make money
and if the hosts dies they will move to another country
 

canndo

Well-Known Member
The rich dont give a rats ass
They are here to make money
and if the hosts dies they will move to another country

Wait, I thought the rich claim that this is the country of unlimited opportunity and that this is the land of the free, this is their beloved and they fly flags or wear flag lapel pins wherever they go. This is the most wonderful country on earth, why would they leave? Why would they seek to destroy it?
 

ChesusRice

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Wait, I thought the rich claim that this is the country of unlimited opportunity and that this is the land of the free, this is their beloved and they fly flags or wear flag lapel pins wherever they go. This is the most wonderful country on earth, why would they leave? Why would they seek to destroy it?
Tell that to Halliburton
and one of the co founders of Facebook
 

ChesusRice

Well-Known Member
Sen. Mark Kirk threatens to hold up Defense bill over Guantanamo detainees

By Lynn Sweet on December 17, 2010 9:52 AM | 1 Comment

WASHINGTON--Sen. Mark Kirk (R-Ill.) on Friday threatened to place a "hold' on the Defense Appropriation bill if it includes a provision to allow the transfer of detainees held in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba military prison to the United States. Under Senate rules, any Senator can stall a piece of legislation--and the freshman Kirk is flexing his new senate muscle for the first time.
The issue flared up earlier this year when the Obama administration moved to buy an underused state prison in Thomson, Ill. in part to use to house Guantanamo detainees. As a House member from Illinois--until he was sworn into the Senate on Nov. 29--Kirk opposed any transfer of Guantanamo detainees to the U.S.
Closing Guantanmo was a central Obama pledge that the president has not been able to keep--a promise made during his campaign on his first day in office. Congress needs to give permission for any transfer of a Guantanamo prisoner to the U.S.
Statement from Kirk:
"Instead of providing Congress with a clean Defense Authorization bill that could win overwhelming bipartisan support, Speaker Pelosi buried a provision in the House defense bill that permits bringing Guantanamo terrorists to the United States. Such a provision would weaken the security of our country. Therefore, should the Defense Authorization bill come to the Senate with the Gitmo terrorist transfer provision included, I will place a hold on the bill and would seek to strike the provision, restoring the current law that bans bringing Gitmo terrorists to the homeland.

"We should not put ourselves in a position where a rogue court can order the release of a member of the al Qaeda core. Just this week, a terrorist attack directed by a former Guantanamo detainee and now senior Taliban commander, Mullah Zakir, killed six U.S. soldiers in Kandahar.

"While we could authorize a federal prison in Thomson, Illinois to support economic growth, it should never weaken our nation's security by housing Gitmo terrorists. I urge my colleagues in the House and Senate to continue our bipartisan prohibition on transferring Gitmo terrorists to the heartland."

OBAMA BROKE HiS PROMISE
 

Mr Neutron

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In January 2009, before President Obama had even taken the oath of office, annual spending was set to total 24.9 percent of gross domestic product. Total spending this year, fiscal year 2012, is expected to top out at 23.4 percent of GDP.
Here’s another interesting fact. Taxes today are lower than they were on inauguration day 2009. Back in January 2009, the CBO projected that total federal tax revenue that year would amount to 16.5 percent of GDP. This year? 15.8 percent.
One last nugget. The deficit this year is going to be lower than what it was on the day President Obama took office. Back then, the CBO said the 2009 deficit would be 8.3 percent of GDP. This year’s deficit is expected to come in at 7.6 percent.
So, you're saying 1.3 trillion is half of 800 billion?
 
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