There really isn't an answer right now except to live super old school. We know that directly using fossil fuels isn't good, but we think that renewable energy is awesome, except we ignore that it relies heavily on fossil fuels and isn't actually good either. I'm happy people buy solar/tesla products because it furthers the technology and hopefully that leads to something in the future, but technically speaking, renewables right now aren't actually helping when you add everything in. Only when you look at very specific/narrow snapshots do they appear to help, but not when you pan out. I know Michael Moore is a bit of a joke or whatever, but he made a decent documentary a while back about some of the issues.
i love living in a sci-fi dystopia
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hanimmal
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Are you talking about that Greta Thornberg meme?
Is this something you actually know about? I don't so have no way to know if you are just bullshitting or not.
Our tech can evolve, it will evolve too many people care about it now not to. And it will get better.
I think about things like my Kindle not using a heck of a lot of power.
We just first need to get two political parties that don't pretend like science is stupid because the world is going to end in a few years anyways so why care about tomorrow.
doublejj
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Baby steps.....but lets move in the right direction away from fossil fuels...
hanimmal
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We did ok during the blackout in the 00's. I don't know of anything that would knock us out for very long that is not some kind of global catastrophe though.
I dunno about a Greta meme and I don't know where the actual percentage/time cutoff is for replacing panels, I just know that I've been happy to buy their takeoffs and reuse them around the property for various projects. The secondhand market is a great way to lengthen their lifespan.
As long as you have religion, one of those parties is going to be at odds with science. It's permanently baked in.
Shoot, just look at how people reacted at the result of one hacker. Gotta think about how our society is run. When you go to the grocery store and buy something, where does that come from? It's certainly not local and fossil fuels are exactly what brought it from god-knows-where, to our hands. So, when there's any type of significant shortage, people gobble it up like toilet paper, then guess what....you see shortages of food. Then the shelves are empty. Without huge corporations, because that's what grocery stores are today, and without the fossil fuels to bring that food to the grocery store, I mean holy shit...people should really try to understand the severity of our dependencies and cut back on the trivializing of the frailty of it all.
doublejj
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Tesla hacker to be deported after pleading guilty to ransomware plot against Giga Nevada
Tesla hacker to be deported after pleading guilty to ransomware plot against Giga Nevada
Russian Tesla hacker Egor Igorevich Kriuchkov will be deported from the United States after being sentenced on Monday to time already served. In March, Kruichkov pleaded guilty to a cybersecurity attack on Tesla’s Gigafactory Nevada in Reno. Kriuchkov appeared on a video conference from jail...
Fogdog
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Does mooray believe we are all frozen in amber and nothing will be different tomorrow or then next day. We are just going to have to do
What exactly?
as jj said. Let's get moving. Small steps are actually better. We don't know enough to build the whole new green system. Still, though, we have enough tech to make a difference, whether or not some people don't understand it.
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hanimmal
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I look at the great expanse of perfectly manicured lawns and see a endless supply of local food just waiting to be tapped.
Grocery stores are part of everything that I was talking about as being wildly inefficient.
but don't you know poor people can't handle money? what happens to those 22 red states whose Governors are cutting the $300. and just where does that lump sum Federal money go now that Governors won't be giving it to your people?
The Big Lie Grift continues; perhaps it will go right to Donald Trump? it was quite suspect when they all jumped on that band wagon together.
books need no power Amazon is delivering with hybrid right now and going to all electric by 2030 which is way too long but whatever.
nothing beats the smell of a fresh best seller in your hands. i gave up my Kindle. I have no tattoos.
i'm going back..back to Titanic.
hanimmal
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Wow yeah that term is pretty much exactly what I was thinking.
The aristocrat bit makes me think of the 'a man's home is his castle'/'king of his castle' saying.
Maybe if we start printing without trees. Trees are what is going to get us out of the mess a few hundred years of tearing them down has caused.
One problem around here in Northern California, and presumably elsewhere, is that farmers markets have become trendy for hipsters and Lexus housewives, which prices out lower income folks, so they're not at all what they should be. Of course that does change pretty fast when everyone is growing something in their yard.
can i please get the cliff notes on Just World..is it replacing Q?
what does that mean? we have farmers markets pretty much everywhere so i don't understand.
the best deal is at Burger King you can get from the $1 menu double bacon cheeseburger, fries and drink for $3.
hanimmal
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That was the first I heard of it. But it described what I was trying to say very well.
Calories are cheap and extremely easy to consume. Good nutritious stable food is not. The way that we have subsidized food as a nation is due for a massive upheaval.
It is also what the 'inflation'
Ozumoz66
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My boss in 1984 was fresh from Holland and he too marvelled at the amounts of land occupied with just grass. How everyone's yard wasn't used for growing food was upsetting to him, yet in the years to come he never had a garden. Growing things isn't hard, but it does take up one's time and when there are many distractions, it takes a back seat. TV = time vampire comes to mind. RIU, admittedly, too has been a bit of a time burglar. All good though.
It's time to get back to the garden.
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