I think I understand why minorities tend to not vote Republican.

twostrokenut

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i know a few cats who run their electrical power off solar wind and even water power, completely off the grid. but if you want to get the subsidies, and get the Gubment Cheese you gotta play by their rules.
You seen the SOLN1 design? Seems a decent portable option but idk.
 

Doer

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you clearly didnt understand me so i will fill you in:

when you install solar cells (with or without subsidies) YOU sell your excess electricity to the power company at a low rate.
the power compnaies sell that electricity at the standard rate, as well as any power you use beyond what you generate (ie: at night or on cloudy days or when your power consumption is higher than your generation)
the power companies provide the feds (AND the state in calif's case) with a kickback for all the profits they make selling YOUR juice to others.
this kickback funds the subsidy program so more suckers will line up to get on the bandwagon.
the return you get from selling back your excess power is a pittance, this is why even marginal cropland is not being converted to solar power farms.
you cant actually get the returns advertised unless your power consumption is near zero and your solar panels are Spitting Hot Fire into the electrical grid.

all the ads on the tv and radio promising to get you "a check from the power company every month" are PUFFERY.
the "check" will be seen only when you actually send them FAR more power than you use (the rate you pay for their electricity is FAR higher than the rate they pay you) and the amount will be a pittance.




many solar power proposals (and wind farms and hydro-power, etc...) are on the table, they are being rejected, or endlessly delayed by regulators and lawsuits from eco-groups.

one of the claims used by the sierra club is that the calif deserts cant survive with solar farms because they bring SHADE to the delicate ecosystem, and SHADE is destructive.
they also claim that the access roads for servicing the solar panels will despoil the pristine wilderness.

example: Kern County has proposals on deck for wind power plants which would generate more than 4x the current wind power capacity of the entire state. they are being blocked by endless injunctions and refused permits for all kinds of retarded excuses including "Shadow Flicker" (the shadows of the moving blades is claimed to cause "health problems" among "sensitive people", dont expect any science on this one...) and the "subsonic harmonics" are claimed to "impair the immune system" and "think of the children"

it's all bullshit.
It remind me of the Curse of Dune. "may you never stand in my shade."

The little caveat about selling power back is how much the PUC will allow for buy back. Not much. So, it is already too late to have a back yard full of those new, 80 megawatt,
MIT fuel cells.

Solar cell power buy back is not even a break even. They will not buy enough power for you to break even for the month. Selling power and "renewing energy" are two different thing, I found out recently. I was looking a fuel cells.

Selling Power to the grid

If you are interested in selling power to the grid, see our Wholesale page.

If you are a Qualifying Facility and want to convert to Merchant status see Qualifying Facilities Converting to Merchant Status.
Renewable Energy (including Solar)

See our California Solar Initiative page for info on incentives for photovoltaic (solar) generating systems.
 
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