desert dude
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Labor participation rate lowest it has been since 1978...
If government provides "services" that are so good, why do they have to use force ?
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Labor participation rate lowest it has been since 1978...
desert dude
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Dude, that has already been done. Al Gore ended the business cycle shortly after he invented the internet.
abandonconflict
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So you're saying they can't be avoided?
BrewsNBuds
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Sorry, I thought you didn't know there was a difference. I just assumed wrong because you used deficit then debt talking about the same thing.
http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/43648-SocialSecurity.pdf
You can see from this report that Social Security is adding to the debt. I showed you the percentage of spending in 2012. If you don't believe it then just say you trust the President and leave it at that.
londonfog
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sorry sometimes I can't just sit on the internet and play all day. I do enjoy spending time with the wife,kids and life
abandonconflict
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No. I don't trust the president. I did at one time believe that he would end cannabis prohibition but that is more because I misjudged the political viability of it. It never had anything to do with me trusting the president, and I never did.
What I am saying is that Social Security does not contribute to the deficit, it never did. This is a verifiable fact. Therefore, it is not possible that any portion of the debt is attributable to Social Security.
The fact is, the debt came from war.
Those people aren't counted smarty.
ginwilly
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I get a kick out of the logic that argues for central planning using roads, streetlights and cops as excuses for excessive federal spendng.
Oh you mean those things we pay for on a local level justifies more federal spending? Cool story. Or did you mean the federal highway system that most people never travel on that was paid for in the name of national defense to move tanks more easily? Yeah, you guys LOVE defense spending.
Oh you mean those things we pay for on a local level justifies more federal spending? Cool story. Or did you mean the federal highway system that most people never travel on that was paid for in the name of national defense to move tanks more easily? Yeah, you guys LOVE defense spending.
Rob Roy
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It's good you like family life. I appreciate my family too.
You never answered the original questions posted by me in the beginning of this thread though. So how about it, if government programs are so good why must they use force to get people to "enroll" or participate? Isn't the use of force against otherwise peaceful people the same tactic rapists, nazi and mafia use?
I don't think it will take you all day to answer the questions will it?
ChesusRice
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Number of retiring workers higher than it has ever been in the history of this country
Get used to it. It will be the trend for the next 25 years
ChesusRice
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Rob Roy
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Define "successful" please.
I would consider a successful society one in which interactions are based on a mutual and consensual basis. How would you define it ?
UncleBuck
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in the unemployment numbers.
but they are certainly counted in the labor force participation or non-participation numbers, you bumbling dimwit.
Rob Roy
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Only a bumbling dimwit would believe fabricated and manipulated government stats. Gullible much? Oh look, I found a quarter under my pillow, thank you tooth fairy!
Dr Kynes
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the Debt comes directly from spending more than you take in which is the Deficit. social security is not yet adding to the Debt, nor is it currently adding to the Deficit.
BUT...
since the "trust fund" no longer exists (if it ever did), in a very short time, the SS tax will no longer take in more than SS sends out, then it will be adding to the Deficit, which is the primary constituent of the Debt.
you can have Debt without a Deficit, simply by being foolish or having an unexpected expense, but you cannot have a Deficit without either incurring Debt or selling off assets (which eliminates the Deficit...)
conflating these two terms is either a grievous error, or a deliberate attempt to use Chompskyism to alter the language.
Dr Kynes
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name one successful society ever.
i can play Pin the Grievance on the Donkey better than you can.
UncleBuck
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on behalf of abandon and all other sane, rational people who laugh at brewsnbuds and his theories about "NWO banksters", thank you for setting him straight.
ChesusRice
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Rob Roy
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The United States, before the New Deal.
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