im Going orginac got some qustions and want some tips all the tips i will need to start growing

Nullis

Moderator
If you can't/won't/don't have the time, space, patience to raise earthworms for castings or mix your own soil then consider the following.

For one thing, mixing your own soil doesn't have to be as complicated as Subcool's mix, or those of others. These 'recipes' typically contain 3+ different amendments intended to serve the same purpose (overkill). I use alfalfa, kelp, fishbone meal and just a little bit of guano. That's it for amendments beside compost and castings. It is somewhat difficult to produce finished castings in quantity. It takes time, patience, care and space. There is a learning curve you can only really progress through experience. So, if you're going to buy them use a decent brand like VermiWorm (nothing from Unco Industries).

Many like to think they are special because they don't buy 'bagged' soil. Instead they buy bags and boxes of raw materials (some of which come from halfway across the globe) and think they are special, but I digress. I used to buy Ocean Forest and mix it with coir (mainly pith) or Sunshine Advanced Mix#4, castings, dolomitic limestone, kelp meal and basically call it a day. Just be sure to inoculate with mycorrhiza prior to planting. You could use straight Ocean Forest with added lime, there is nothing wrong with that, I just like coir.

Next up, bottled nutrients. You don't use them for the sake of using them, and you don't need a whole line. For example, I like liquid fish and I do use GO Bio-Marine. Actually, I use Alaska Fish Fertilizer and Bio-Marine. That's about it. If you're going to go that route, you don't need them every watering: use them sparingly.

Here's the "organic" justification. Fish\squid is of biological origin, first of all. They provide nutrients and complex substance to microbes living in the soil, and the plant. Not only in a grow room, but in actual nature. Fish are particularly important to various ecosystems. For example, when dams were built along the Columbia river, it didn't just lead to the decimation of wild salmon populations. It affected the entire ecosystem, in part because those salmon were a key source of nutrients for growing plants and trees. No surprise there. When a fish dies along a river bank, it's decomposing body actually contributes to the richness of the soil.

Next up, mulch. Mulch is important to containers, too. There are many things you can use for mulch, including bark, nut shells, grasses, semi-decayed leaves, shredded paper, etc. If you're using a 'brown' material like straw or bark you should top dress with something like alfalfa meal (or mix in alfalfa hay) because these materials can tie up nitrogen as they decay. Currently, I'm trying moss (sheet moss) and haven't had any problems with it. Mulch keeps moisture in the top layer of soil, so roots grow more effectively, and it creates a good environment for springtails, micro-arthropods and microbes.
 

anzohaze

Well-Known Member
Go read the organic section especially the no till thread page it will give you some awesome soil mixes. After you read through that. Figure out what you don't no and go from there
 

hydroMD

Well-Known Member
If you can't/won't/don't have the time, space, patience to raise earthworms for castings or mix your own soil then consider the following.

For one thing, mixing your own soil doesn't have to be as complicated as Subcool's mix, or those of others. These 'recipes' typically contain 3+ different amendments intended to serve the same purpose (overkill). I use alfalfa, kelp, fishbone meal and just a little bit of guano. That's it for amendments beside compost and castings. It is somewhat difficult to produce finished castings in quantity. It takes time, patience, care and space. There is a learning curve you can only really progress through experience. So, if you're going to buy them use a decent brand like VermiWorm (nothing from Unco Industries).

Many like to think they are special because they don't buy 'bagged' soil. Instead they buy bags and boxes of raw materials (some of which come from halfway across the globe) and think they are special, but I digress. I used to buy Ocean Forest and mix it with coir (mainly pith) or Sunshine Advanced Mix#4, castings, dolomitic limestone, kelp meal and basically call it a day. Just be sure to inoculate with mycorrhiza prior to planting. You could use straight Ocean Forest with added lime, there is nothing wrong with that, I just like coir.

Next up, bottled nutrients. You don't use them for the sake of using them, and you don't need a whole line. For example, I like liquid fish and I do use GO Bio-Marine. Actually, I use Alaska Fish Fertilizer and Bio-Marine. That's about it. If you're going to go that route, you don't need them every watering: use them sparingly.

Here's the "organic" justification. Fish\squid is of biological origin, first of all. They provide nutrients and complex substance to microbes living in the soil, and the plant. Not only in a grow room, but in actual nature. Fish are particularly important to various ecosystems. For example, when dams were built along the Columbia river, it didn't just lead to the decimation of wild salmon populations. It affected the entire ecosystem, in part because those salmon were a key source of nutrients for growing plants and trees. No surprise there. When a fish dies along a river bank, it's decomposing body actually contributes to the richness of the soil.

Next up, mulch. Mulch is important to containers, too. There are many things you can use for mulch, including bark, nut shells, grasses, semi-decayed leaves, shredded paper, etc. If you're using a 'brown' material like straw or bark you should top dress with something like alfalfa meal (or mix in alfalfa hay) because these materials can tie up nitrogen as they decay. Currently, I'm trying moss (sheet moss) and haven't had any problems with it. Mulch keeps moisture in the top layer of soil, so roots grow more effectively, and it creates a good environment for springtails, micro-arthropods and microbes.

Go read a couple books. Id say one of the worst things you can do at this point is read forum input. Get a good base understanding from a professional source.

75 pages into teaming with microbes and you will have a better understanding of organics than half the people giving you advice on here :)

Dr. Who has provided you with the most sound info in this thread from my brief skim of the thread.

Please just read the book bruh. Save you endless headaches

Also good to read other reputable pieces of literature to form your own consensus on best practices.

The misinformation that gets pushed around these boards are abundant, lotta people eager to swing their dicks around.
 

LST-PRO

Member
ok so im sick of the other way i been doing it and want to go organic so some of what im asking may not makes any sense so bare with me...this may be a stupid question but I have never dun organic grow before lol and will be for now on kuz the other way is a pain in the ass some times , and organic just seams better, any way, i read to wait a month so your soil will be ready to grow in whats that mean any way , dose that mean i need to feed my soil with organic nutrients for 30 days before planting my seeds ??? I get impatient, is there a soil that i can buy and use right away ??? is it heard to fuck up when growing organic I follow directions pretty good lol im tired of messing with ph and ass that good shit.. I know I will be using
General Hydroponics line up 4 sure I don't realy know what to ask shuld i just grab the
General Hydroponics line up and start growing or is there moor to it lol,, dont 4 get i want to know about the soil thing and letting it sit for 30 days I will if i got to but dont want to if i dont got to.....
If you want a Ready made soil buy "Build a Soil" no worries about the pH and you must use only RO water.
This is pricy but you can reuse the soil three times.

I build my own soil and use tap water along with bubbler for 72 hours then check pH should be 6.5 6.9
But I also have to make Fresh Nectar TEA.Do you grow indoors?
 
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