Inda-gro Induction...

Incredible ladies
Love the induction flouro.

There are cheeper alternatives than Indagrow
I grow with a Chinese made 400w Induction light 3500k.
It was 468$ with shipping from Riant lightin in China.
5 yr warrenty, witch they honnor.
Cause my first ballest died.......

cheeper alternatives? dude why would anyone buy more of that chinese crap. your ballest already failed witch they honnor under 5 year warrenty. good for you. but they fail because they use cheep components. if anything dude you move up to an iGROW and their patented veg and flowering lamps. and if you did have a problem you're not dealing with some guy in China but right here in the US of A!

Since we are being so honnest an insulting each others product....

Just what parts of the inda grow are American?
It should be labeled "assembled in America".
The borosilicate glass bulbs, magnets, wires ballest/ ballest components and warrenty look exacly like the Chinese ones to me.
Im also very doubtfull they Handell the filling with phosphor, flourine or mercury and sealing in the USA?

My friend bought 2 inda grows. One died the first day.spending twice as much dosent guarantee any better quality IMHO.

Does your inda grow produce twice as much bud as my riant?
For the price of an inda grow I could have had 2 400w riant grow bulbs an yield twice as much.
Riant also makes the biggest light 500w for 220v.

And what's so revolutionary about using a 5500k flouro as your color spectrum.
Kinda seems like the wrong spectum for flowering.
My RIANT grow bulb looks like the crazy purple t5 used in fish tanks for growing coral.
Unlike Indagro they offer inductions onany color 2700 -6500 kelvin.
And you can see their factory making their bulbs on YouTube.




I also see lots of folks on the net (inda gro) credit Tesla for this light to sucker folks in..
Tesla did not invent the induction any more than Edison invented light bulbs.


"1884 Johann Wilhelm Hittorf of munster germany discovers the electrodeless discharge lamp. Hittorf is also known for the discovery of the cathode-ray tube in 1869


1880s J. J. Thomson thoroughly studies the phenomena of the electrodeless discharge lamp after initial discovery by Johann Wilhelm Hittorf (1884). Thomson like Hittorf is an established physicist. Cambridge, England


1893 Nikola Tesla first demonstrates his electrodeless lamp at the 1893 World Columbian Exposition in Chicago. His lamp looked like a large lightbulb and had strange greenish phosphors. His lamp was powered by the electromagnetic field of a nearby large "Tesla Coil". Tesla brought the lamp into the public eye and further improved the lamp. The industrialist later sued academian J.J. Thomson in order to secure rights to try to make money from it. A practical consumer lamp was never developed.


1904 Peter Cooper Hewitt developed an induction lamp that used mercury vapor (like today's lamps). He already had expertise as the inventor of the first commercial mercury vapor lamps. He worked on induction lamps with a sphere shape and double sphere shape, with external induction coils wrapped around the sphere or "waist" of the double sphere. PC Hewitt also developed internal induction lamps. General Electric, New York, NY"


Even though Hewitt is credited for the modern mercury induction.
It's certiian Charles Prometheus Stienmetz who also worked for GE helped considerably since he invented AC, induction dynamos, and the induction furnace. Cp Stienmetz mercury light patent directly discussed fluorine gas, phosphor coating and producing white light?
http://www.google.com/patents?id=9xpaAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4#v=onepage&q&f=true
Seems Stienmetz work is more important to development of electricity an light than tesla.


Heres a link to Riant grow light with spectrum chart if I convinced anyone.
http://www.riant-lighting.com/Grow-Light.html
I wouldn't recomed them if I hadent tried them.
Email Tony Wu there for prices an info.....

SCARHOLE said:

Does your inda grow produce twice as much bud as my riant?

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Where is your riant grow thread, I looked but did not see it.

Riant does not appear to be UL listed. Not worth burning my house down to save a few bucks.

Raint's may be half the cost but they also have half the warranty that 420's do. I'm good to go until 2022

If it was a few buck I'd agree, but its about 350-400$.

The ballest is in a thick metal case that is fire proof.
And they have applied for UL approval.

Thanks for the tips Spliff. Should I take everything below the grid? What about branches that are coming off main arms that are 1-3 inches below the grid and will stretch once put into flower? I'm just not used to hacking so much off my plants and don't want to screw up yield cause of not enough or too much.nice job on the videos as always

Hey SHole why don't you read my post before you go running it down? I wasn't suggesting anyone buy an indagrow or a Riant either for that matter. Why would anyone want a Chinese 3500K lamp to try to get a run from veg thru flower? Show us some finished weed grows on RIU of those highly specialized lamps your pimpin instead of spending all you energy putting down Tesla with your version of history. The journals your pointing us to are on other sites which is verboten on RIU.

Gordobo - now the shoe is on the other foot.hahahahaha Btw you forgot. Igrow is chinese crap.


The spectrum chart for riant looks horrible. Same as any generic tri phosphor t5. Except with too much 420 nm. too much 420nm stunts growth. no thanks. I have my chinese lvd 5000k. Im Saving for an inda gro and a51 led so...

Id rather use cmh than riant or igrow.

Hyroot I'm not sure what you mean by that comment. I'm not here to dis indagrow or riant. I did some research on indagrow and they do have a UL and they do make some of their products in the US. riant is ENTIRELY Chinese made. Have you seen their site and these ballasts of theirs? They take the high frequency wire outside the ballast housing their so cheaply made. You never see an iGROW high frequency wire cuz they build them into the fixture. What is this beat up on Gordo day?

shoe is on the other foot means we kept saying produce some pics and proof of igrow. You never did. then implied that you never used one when said that you were waiting for seeds. you constantly quoted igrows site of bullshit and lies. You were saying it blows away inda gro even though you never used one., There's been plenty of awesome grows on here with inda gro. Anyway now you are asking for proof. How ironic.

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Thanks for the tips Spliff. Should I take everything below the grid? What about branches that are coming off main arms that are 1-3 inches below the grid and will stretch once put into flower? I'm just not used to hacking so much off my plants and don't want to screw up yield cause of not enough or too much.nice job on the videos as always

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i suggest that you definitely aim to do just that; if the branch isn't an active participant in the canopy, it comes off. the stuff that is 1-3 inches below the canopy before the stretch will still be under the canopy after the stretch.

as long as you limit yourself to taking off no more than about 1/3 of the plants foliage, it won't stress, but rather will respond with increased vigor. the reason for this is that the plant has a given root:leaf ratio before you prune it, afterwards the root:leaf ratio is higher, meaning that a given leaf has more root feeding it.

i understand your initial concerns tho, i had them too way back in the day. before you feel totally comfortable with all that, perhaps set up a proof to see for yourself? next run, prune one the way i say, and do the others the way you like, and compare final weight and nug sizes. you will see bro!

I will be doing just that Mr. Spliff. BTW I do respect what you're doing here in putting up such awesome journals and images. You are a truly gifted gardener and I have learned quite a bit over the last few months on these forums. So instead of going up against the LED panel I was planning on trying I think I'm going to see if I can get iGROW and indagrow to both donate me one of their lights so I can do a side by side and put the results up on RIU.

I think this would be a fairer comparison since it does seem that with the lamps being sourced from China we need to see which of these lights is the better value. There are two reasons I'm inclined to do this type of trial between induction lamps is I really was operating under the belief that iGROW lamps were made in the USA. I've since watched all the iGROW and FSS video's and while it is not stated the lamps and ballasts are made in the USA it is strongly implied that the entire fixture is US made and admittedly there is a lot of effort being applied to that message. So I guess it's got me thinking that I would like to know for myself if switching between a veg and a flower lamp will enhance yield and quality as compared to just using a broad spectrum type of lamp? BTW I still want to believe iGROW will beat the competition but with the switching of lamps and the extra expense of buying the lamps it's going to have to out yield the indagrow by at least 10% for it to make sense. I think that's a reasonable expectation.

The other reason I feel that running against an LED like Frank is doing on his thread is that we are comparing apples and oranges in the technologies. Also I have a 240 volt circuit I wanted to run this on since I need to keep the current down on the circuits I have available from my apartment electric box by running the lights on 240 volts and the SS400 LED fixture only accepts 120 volt supply circuits.

Do you guys think they would offer a light each for this type of test?

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Hey SHole why don't you read my post before you go running it down? I wasn't suggesting anyone buy an indagrow or a Riant either for that matter. Why would anyone want a Chinese 3500K lamp to try to get a run from veg thru flower? Show us some finished weed grows on RIU of those highly specialized lamps your pimpin instead of spending all you energy putting down Tesla with your version of history. The journals your pointing us to are on other sites which is verboten on RIU.

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as far as i know, i am the only one here with experience using both iGrow/FSS and Inda-Gro.

i have pics and videos of my plants under both lines of lights. look to the link in my sig for the beginning of my participation here, when i was using FSS. interestingly enough, i think that the FSS i had made the plants happier than the iGrow's that they are pushing now. regardless, the Inda-Gro's are far superior, hence my choice to use them exclusively (as i have for the past year).

i continue to post pics and videos of the quality that Inda-Gro results in, and Gordo acts like i haven't done just that. he tries to act like his iGrows will do better when:
a) i know from PERSONAL EXPERIENCE that they do not
b) he does not know from PERSONAL EXPERIENCE how they will do in the first place.


i'm not trying to just attack you here, Gordo, but please! enough is enough already. stop posting their commercials. none of us give a shit about that. we want to see plants growing. take a break here, get your seeds and pop them. grow a friggin' garden already and show us THOSE videos.

gordobo said:

I will be doing just that Mr. Spliff. BTW I do respect what you're doing here in putting up such awesome journals and images. You are a truly gifted gardener and I have learned quite a bit over the last few months on these forums. So instead of going up against the LED panel I was planning on trying I think I'm going to see if I can get iGROW and indagrow to both donate me one of their lights so I can do a side by side and put the results up on RIU.

I think this would be a fairer comparison since it does seem that with the lamps being sourced from China we need to see which of these lights is the better value. There are two reasons I'm inclined to do this type of trial between induction lamps is I really was operating under the belief that iGROW lamps were made in the USA. I've since watched all the iGROW and FSS video's and while it is not stated the lamps and ballasts are made in the USA it is strongly implied that the entire fixture is US made and admittedly there is a lot of effort being applied to that message. So I guess it's got me thinking that I would like to know for myself if switching between a veg and a flower lamp will enhance yield and quality as compared to just using a broad spectrum type of lamp? BTW I still want to believe iGROW will beat the competition but with the switching of lamps and the extra expense of buying the lamps it's going to have to out yield the indagrow by at least 10% for it to make sense. I think that's a reasonable expectation.

The other reason I feel that running against an LED like Frank is doing on his thread is that we are comparing apples and oranges in the technologies. Also I have a 240 volt circuit I wanted to run this on since I need to keep the current down on the circuits I have available from my apartment electric box by running the lights on 240 volts and the SS400 LED fixture only accepts 120 volt supply circuits.

Do you guys think they would offer a light each for this type of test?

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and i wanted to believe that something magnificent was going to happen on 12-21-12... 'wanting to believe' will often times leave you holding unfulfilled wants.

in regards to your 240 circuit, Inda-Gro lamps will take that with you only needing to make sure of the correct tip on the cord; the ballast auto-senses the voltage.

i doubt that they would give you a free light to do what has already been done before. besides, i already have a 200w FSS/iGrow and 2 Inda-Gro 200-PARs. if i didn't already know the winner there (i compared in veg), i would do it for you. i think the fact that after using FSS/iGrow tech, it is gathering dust in the trim room vs the fact that i continue to run the 2 200-PARs should give all the indication that is needed.

Hiya Spliff! Loved the last video update. The buds do look denser and like they were rolled in sugar on the pontoon side. I also think that with the fan leaves tacoing you read it right and raised the light. Taking the pontoons at a traditional 420 12" lamp:canopy will definitely create that condition. You raised the light did they fan back out then? I'm guessing not. But it's a lesson learned for your next run. I'm thinking you want to keep them about 20" away and keep an eye on em. What will be way cool is when you're running two pontoons and those LEDS cover the space between them. I see another journal in your future.

Gordo I got to hand it to you. The same company you've been talking smack about for the last couple a months you're going to ask for a free light. I really do want what your smoking.

I am sorry I was was kurt with you gentlemen.
i spoke out of anger.
Everyone loves their baby..

I run a cmh, not bad,but the 830w ones have a different color an should be avoided I hear.
Folks laughed at scarhole for running them also..

I didn't say Chinese lights suck.
I believe almost all induction lights parts are of Chinese origin.
They are the factory of the world.

I run small grows for personal short veg, 3500k is better for me.

If you can get over Seeing the wires Riant offers their 400w kit with no reflector for about 100$ less.
(368 ish?)
I should have went with this option, the Riant reflector is a cheep adjust a wing design.

I may post my Riant induction results here.
But the penguin pisses me off sometimes.
To many rules.....

My history of induction bulbs was from the Edison project an wiki an google patents.
No lies.

I notified Mr tony Wu of Riant my Ballest died fri night.
My replacement was FedExed an They tried to deliver today.
Amazing fuckn service!!!

gordobo said:

Do you guys think they would offer a light each for this type of test?

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If Inda-Gro reads any of your previous posts....no

Thanks again spliff. I wil take your word and get to cutting.

Do you folks have par meters?

We should get them and have a test off of the Iductions?

Pics of the Riant light