Induction Lights? The newest (supposedly) technology in Induction Grow Lights

I want to put 2 420's in my 4x6 when I save the pennies lol. I am planning on running a small test in my 3x3 (not actual measurments but thats what its sold as) with a 420 before i order the second to make sure everything is up to par, pun intended. Both of these are smaller than the recommended area obviously, and 4x6 will have some led action in it too, but like led manufacturers footprint i take it with a grain of salt. When it comes to light indoors it pays dividends to go overboard in my experience.
And to think I wanted to do the above setup with igrow... would have been eating ramen forever not to mention the headaches of these ballast failures i keep hearing bout them having?? Would have been killing me with that bulb switch as well, i can be clumsy at times and if they are as breakable as flouro tubes it would take me a couple expensive lessons lol

For veg maybe it would replace a 1000w mh but I`d treat it like a 600w hps not a 750 ? and the price $800 ? Jeeze I`m sure I was quoted under $400 for the same light from china ? Well maybe not exactly the same but the tube is made by the same bloody people.

Oh dude leds right above and induction for the side plants with the shade open on the inside side

Now maybe it`s just me but induction seams to be able to stretch things more then led can sativa stuff even more so but then the led means it fattens up maybe it`s that extra bit of heat or something ? My skywalkers that are getting more induction are a bit lankyer but I`ll have to wait and see what side smokes the best.

Ya i was just told at a garden expo by a guy who installs these induction lights commercially and he informed me that there r only about 3 producers who know wtf they r doing over there. Course he also tried to tell me they only burn at 1000k which did not make a bit of sense, but i am willing to take chaz's word that color temp doesnt mean shit as i have come to kind of abandon lumens as being as relevant as hydro shops like to make it seem... Imo u are paying for that 10 year warranty and to be able to have that bulb serviced here. If ur a bloke from across the pond then this might mean nothing to you but i do not speak mandarin lol

Kite High said:

I really like you chaz ...you make me think... thanks...and while I doubt I will journal here what with the FED connection and all...I will post findings and sporadic photos here and there.....

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I really like you too Kite. In fact I have several people I chat with that, despite their being bipolar, I have grown quite fond of. I will patiently await your sporadic posts.

Sociopathic not bi polar. Get it right.

I'd like to see a unit half the size of the Inda-grow 420 with the same wattage.

With induction, would that significantly decrease the bulb life?

Beef: You could make the diameter of the lamp larger and shorten the glass so that the impedance match was there or you could wiggle two of the 200's into some custom housing. I've seen them playing with smaller diameter borasilicate for T5 EFDL but have not heard if they've done anything with increased diameters. With the price of glass and finding ferrite material that would cover it the ends would have to justify the means.

Kite: speaking of socio-paths, here in SoCal the LAPD is unloading dozens of rounds into every pickup truck they've come across since Wednesday. And in Vallejo CA this soldier calls in a B&E and it takes the cops 45 minutes to respond at which time the LEO cold cocks the victim then gives him 5 minutes of why you don't fuck with ex marines. I understand they would have been there sooner but there was a dispensary raid going down and they had to protect the feds from the patients.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hM02kr5DwoE

Since you're an acknowledged sociopath you must know some pretty good lawyers. I say we hook this kid up!

chazbolin said:

Beef: You could make the diameter of the lamp larger and shorten the glass so that the impedance match was there or you could wiggle two of the 200's into some custom housing. I've seen them playing with smaller diameter borasilicate for T5 EFDL but have not heard if they've done anything with increased diameters. With the price of glass and finding ferrite material that would cover it the ends would have to justify the means.

Kite: speaking of socio-paths, here in SoCal the LAPD is unloading dozens of rounds into every pickup truck they've come across since Wednesday. And in Vallejo CA this soldier calls in a B&E and it takes the cops 45 minutes to respond at which time the LEO cold cocks the victim then gives him 5 minutes of why you don't fuck with ex marines. I understand they would have been there sooner but there was a dispensary raid going down and they had to protect the feds from the patients.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hM02kr5DwoE

Since you're an acknowledged sociopath you must know some pretty good lawyers. I say we hook this kid up!

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Have no need for lawyers when you are EXCELLENT at what you do...not only acknowledged but cultured and groomed into machined precision with no need of the emotional limitations that most are clouded, burdened with...IOW when I say I will snatch off your head skull fuck you and shit down your throat I will and will get away with it...if I were ever to say that

Those are all governmental robotic clones that they are triggering to take gun rights away through fear mongering

now to watch your video

Kid's an idiot for calling LEO in the first place

Ummm. That got really weird

and chaz please do not infer that I aimed that towards you at all..was just metaphorically demonstrating my abilities...or as others would term it...problems

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http://www.biosonictech.com/Default.aspx

Anyone??

No price up front

direct from Alixxx
http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/New-200W-ELPL-Reflectorized-Plant-Grow-Light-UL-Green-Energy-Saving-Induction-Lamp-Closest-to-PAR/813630_654105283.html

I definitely do not hate those lights. That red shift is something I could see putting in the more mature part of my perpetual flowering tent I want to put an inda-gro in. If they are all about the par how come they do not throw a u/mole reading at you? I didn't even see canopy coverage except a pic on the sellers site that says its does not work after 12" away.

Was I the only one confused by the structure of that table expalining how they are better than hid?
And the ballast choice throws me off a lil too, since the one model only has a 2 year warranty, and those are the only ballast for the 250w.... But I do like the look of those graphs, can not lie about that.

I guess I just do not understand the need for all the variance they have, I kinda like how simplified inda-gro has it with you just picking wattage, bottom line I will prob contact a sales rep, but they better dazzle me to really get me to look at anything other than that red shift. And speaking of that the sales site they point you too(allieshift.com) says nothing about that bulb at all and only are selling the 200 from what I could find!! Idk prob still go with inda gro for simplicity and that decade warranty, but if it can do some crazy shit in flower (redshift) might have too grab, anyone else see something that would void any of what i just said ?

Regardless of whether or not these folks are "paid faces" or not I can only attest to my own experience. Ive never used an Igrow system and frankly don't know much about them but I will do some research. I can only say that I am overly pleased with the results of the inda-gro lights compared to HPS, LED, CFL, M-land etc. I think the benefits vs risk (pros vs cons) sway more towards the inda-fro lights. I take into account power consumption, heat, total grow time to finish, veg time, flower time, yield and cost. I also use the 200w for veg and 420w for flower. I've found the price of either inda-gro light is easily recovered after the first grow granted all other conditions are favorable

Unlike igrow who neglected to show the Hg peaks on their spectral distribution graphs @ least these guys got the Mercury spikes right. While there are now literally dozens of Chinese companies that have laid claim to manufacturing plant lighting lamps/drivers/fixtures I'll keep my comments to this new brand.

If you were to purchase these lamp/drivers consider this;
1) You'll have to build a housing with reflector for these since all the light off the sides of the lamps is lost to the canopy.
2) The driver housing is not IP65 which lends itself to moisture building up on the components.
3) They ask you to buy both a veg and a flowering lamp.

ahh fuckit I couldn't resist. Here's another one:

Fat Doobie to the first one that posts up what wrong with this product especially referring to the greenhouse at 0.48 into the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73cLRRcvXsM

Not sure what's wrong with the light,but I did notice that they had one blue and one red light in a greenhouse the size of a football field,and that the light looks like its about 20 feet up off the canopy.

And that's why they call him The Ganga Farmer! Where do I send this fattie!

BTW this blue spectrum is a standard BAM triphosphor and the red has added arsenic.

seems to me this bio-sonic light is more of a pain that it's worth. One of the several reasons i went with the induction was to get away from changing bulbs and heat issues, and with this lamp one would have possible moisture issues and buy an add on reflector or build one...all for the low price of $360.00 with shipping... no thanks. but an interesting read