Induction Lights? The newest (supposedly) technology in Induction Grow Lights

CurtisAintlow

CurtisAintlow

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As to the video I also find it interesting that they can grow such nice plants from so far off the canopy. Looks like a lot of work.
 
chazbolin

chazbolin

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seems to me this bio-sonic light is more of a pain that it's worth. One of the several reasons i went with the induction was to get away from changing bulbs and heat issues, and with this lamp one would have possible moisture issues and buy an add on reflector or build one...all for the low price of $360.00 with shipping... no thanks. but an interesting read
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That's $360.00 with only one of the two lamps you're going to need. Not sure what the second lamp is going to cost and how easy it is to change out.

As to the video I also find it interesting that they can grow such nice plants from so far off the canopy.
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Interesting would be one way to put it. These are flowering greenhouses where they are alternating red/green at about a 30' on center spacing @ what looks to be 15' above the canopy. In addition to their new greenhouse lights it looks like they have found a revolutionary way to apply physics to plant photobiology.
 
T

The Ganga farmer

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Chaz,
Did you notice that in the video at 1.25 mins way back in the green house thier are not even using those lights. Looks like hps to me. And that Debbie Gibson techno shit in the background,come on now this just seems super cheesy. Kinda reminds me of one of those tv commercials you might see at 3am
 
chazbolin

chazbolin

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Seriously Ganja I can only handle one pass at these kind of vids. I've done 7 greenhouse supplemental lighting jobs now with Inda-Gro Daylight Harvester lights. One was in Canada. There is no way in hell that even a 420 at 15 ft above the canopy is going to add more than 0.5 Mol/day which means you might as well not even have supplemental lighting unless they can contribute < 5 Mol's/day/M-sq to the DLI. The maximum lamp:canopy spacing we got away with was 8ft over a M-sq.
 
chazbolin

chazbolin

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What can you guys tell me about Tom Vilsack @ the USDA? His CV makes it look like he'd have the cape and the big S going on. What's the real deal with Mr. V?
 
flaxseedoil1000

flaxseedoil1000

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chazbolin said:
If you were to purchase these lamp/drivers consider this;
1) You'll have to build a housing with reflector for these since all the light off the sides of the lamps is lost to the canopy.
2) The driver housing is not IP65 which lends itself to moisture building up on the components.
3) They ask you to buy both a veg and a flowering lamp.
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4) I believe they are using a magnetic (110V~277V, 50/60 Hz) ballast vs Inda-gro's digital 2.65 MHz High Frequency Generator (driver / ballast)
 
CurtisAintlow

CurtisAintlow

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Chaz and G farmer,
Over all the years I've been farming, coupled with my minor in horticulture at a major research university and working in the greenhouses we could never come up with a grow as great as that video depicts. Apparently they're onto something in the private sector that is far more advanced than a research university in regards to artificial lighting...hahaha.
If they played that music in the greenhouse the plants would surly die. :spew: I'll stick to my inda-gro 420s. I'm all for low maintenance and keeping the door to my chambers shut as much as possible. I was reluctant for years to even join this forum but I started to find a lot if it very comical and some informative thus far. I did start my first thread, (post) whatever you call it, regarding induction lighting, and posted one photo but have had just a few responses.
 
Kite High

Kite High

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chazbolin said:
Unlike igrow who neglected to show the Hg peaks on their spectral distribution graphs @ least these guys got the Mercury spikes right. While there are now literally dozens of Chinese companies that have laid claim to manufacturing plant lighting lamps/drivers/fixtures I'll keep my comments to this new brand.

If you were to purchase these lamp/drivers consider this;
1) You'll have to build a housing with reflector for these since all the light off the sides of the lamps is lost to the canopy.
2) The driver housing is not IP65 which lends itself to moisture building up on the components.
3) They ask you to buy both a veg and a flowering lamp.

ahh fuckit I couldn't resist. Here's another one:

Fat Doobie to the first one that posts up what wrong with this product especially referring to the greenhouse at 0.48 into the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73cLRRcvXsM
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upon reading their site it seems they are trying to get people with light setups already to upgrade to these using their present hoods etc. as long as you have one of those useless huge xxxl pos then their point is moot....my main problem at first glance with any induction is the huge size and weight....lotsa weight and size to deal with in something that doesn't perform any better or IMO worse that what I have already that is light and small in the first place...
 
Kite High

Kite High

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natro.hydro said:
I definitely do not hate those lights. That red shift is something I could see putting in the more mature part of my perpetual flowering tent I want to put an inda-gro in. If they are all about the par how come they do not throw a u/mole reading at you? I didn't even see canopy coverage except a pic on the sellers site that says its does not work after 12" away.

Was I the only one confused by the structure of that table expalining how they are better than hid?
And the ballast choice throws me off a lil too, since the one model only has a 2 year warranty, and those are the only ballast for the 250w.... But I do like the look of those graphs, can not lie about that.

I guess I just do not understand the need for all the variance they have, I kinda like how simplified inda-gro has it with you just picking wattage, bottom line I will prob contact a sales rep, but they better dazzle me to really get me to look at anything other than that red shift. And speaking of that the sales site they point you too(allieshift.com) says nothing about that bulb at all and only are selling the 200 from what I could find!! Idk prob still go with inda gro for simplicity and that decade warranty, but if it can do some crazy shit in flower (redshift) might have too grab, anyone else see something that would void any of what i just said ?
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umole has nothing to do with par..and again par is bullshit as well...I can give you some baddass par readings with blue leds...it is only a different set point for the light meters that tries to flatten out the reading to the entire visible spectrum rather than the center of it as with ftc...and IMO more sciency jargon to convince you this tech is better etc... I am tired of charts graphs and sciency lingo...show me some fucking plants...and more than 2 or three grows ...
that are ACTUALLY grown by them...not grown under hid then pretend it was leds like that asshat was doing
 
Kite High

Kite High

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chazbolin said:
Seriously Ganja I can only handle one pass at these kind of vids. I've done 7 greenhouse supplemental lighting jobs now with Inda-Gro Daylight Harvester lights. One was in Canada. There is no way in hell that even a 420 at 15 ft above the canopy is going to add more than 0.5 Mol/day which means you might as well not even have supplemental lighting unless they can contribute < 5 Mol's/day/M-sq to the DLI. The maximum lamp:canopy spacing we got away with was 8ft over a M-sq.
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Points scored for hid as this is the normal placement for them in these applications



And I am pretty confident that this operation knows what the fuck they are doing
 
Kite High

Kite High

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Another...go after it



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CurtisAintlow

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hey Kite,
can you post a link where you can order this light or at least see the price. I couldn't find a price on the brotherhood site that the "find store" link in your post redirected me too. I also looked at the online partner stores from brotherhood and had no luck. most of the partner links on the brotherhood site did not work. maybe it's my computer. thanks
 
Kite High

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chazbolin said:
What can you guys tell me about Tom Vilsack @ the USDA? His CV makes it look like he'd have the cape and the big S going on. What's the real deal with Mr. V?
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simple..hes a politician that Obamanation owed a favor to so walla...kushy do nothing job
 
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Kite High said:
Points scored for hid as this is the normal placement for them in these applications



And I am pretty confident that this operation knows what the fuck they are doing
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BUT HID is boring......they just buzz along and do their job quite effectively:-P
 
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