Injustice in Palestine

Fogdog said:

I can't remember. Why does the US call Israel its friend?

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It looks as though a geopolitical alliance is more important than confronting oppression.

k0rps said:

Israel is very capable is protecting itself, seen in the videos above, without the use of brutality. There is no reason to call air strikes and multiple rockets into residential areas of Palestine at the end of Ramadan, start of Eid, while people were praying!!

Gaza btw is where the Israelis placed Palestinians after uprooting them from their homes ~80yrs ago

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Nothing said about Hamas military being in the same buildings as the civilians. Not the first time civilians are used as shields. Also if Hamas did have their military capabilities separated from the civilians they would be an easy target for Israel. Almost like putting a big bullseye on the Hamas military compound. As said, it is a densely populated area, not like there is many places Hamas can go undetected unless intermixed with civilians. And Hamas does have targets Israel would want to take out. There is the rockets and the rocket factories. Hamas has been stockpiling since the last little war the two fought.

And while Israel has far superior weapons it is not like Hamas does not have a fighting force. But other than Iran the rest of the ME want no part of Hamas. They have no shortage of rockets and while Israel's defenses looked impressive you have to wonder if they have enough hardware for a sustained rocket attack. But none of this matters. Both sides do not want to back down now because they both want to show that they can duke it out. I doubt the Hamas will try hitting the nuclear reactor. That would be asking for the area to be turned into a parking lot.

Fogdog said:

I can't remember. Why does the US call Israel its friend?

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Following the war, the "new postwar era witnessed an intensive involvement of the United States in the political and economic affairs of the Middle East, in contrast to the hands-off attitude characteristic of the prewar period. Under Truman the United States had to face and define its policy in all three sectors that provided the root causes of American interests in the region: the Soviet threat, the birth of Israel, and petroleum."[19]

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Continued US support to Israel..

The pact, laid out in a Memorandum of Understanding, will be worth $38 billion over the course of a decade, an increase of roughly 27 percent on the money pledged in the last agreement, which was signed in 2007.

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printer said:

Nothing said about Hamas military being in the same buildings as the civilians. Not the first time civilians are used as shields. Also if Hamas did have their military capabilities separated from the civilians they would be an easy target for Israel. Almost like putting a big bullseye on the Hamas military compound. As said, it is a densely populated area, not like there is many places Hamas can go undetected unless intermixed with civilians. And Hamas does have targets Israel would want to take out. There is the rockets and the rocket factories. Hamas has been stockpiling since the last little war the two fought.

And while Israel has far superior weapons it is not like Hamas does not have a fighting force. But other than Iran the rest of the ME want no part of Hamas. They have no shortage of rockets and while Israel's defenses looked impressive you have to wonder if they have enough hardware for a sustained rocket attack. But none of this matters. Both sides do not want to back down now because they both want to show that they can duke it out. I doubt the Hamas will try hitting the nuclear reactor. That would be asking for the area to be turned into a parking lot.

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If Hamas had the capability to take over Israel, I'm sure they would have. Their biggest "attack" in years has been the 1,000 rockets launched that never reached Israeli ground. It is not an excuse to murder innocent people or bomb residential neighborhoods and media outlets.

Is Hamas also the excuse for kicking people out of their homes?? Violently arresting peaceful protesters who are protecting their homes is also blamed on hamas? That cannot be an excuse for an overpowering military force on Palestinians.

It is very easy to create a name to call evil and use it as an excuse for war, but doesn't our human side know better by now?? And one would think the Israelis know what it's like to be kicked out of their own homes.. yet, they perpetuate the cycle..

k0rps said:

If Hamas had the capability to take over Israel, I'm sure they would have. Their biggest "attack" in years has been the 1,000 rockets launched that never reached Israeli ground. It is not an excuse to murder innocent people or bomb residential neighborhoods and media outlets.

Is Hamas also the excuse for kicking people out of their homes?? Violently arresting peaceful protesters who are protecting their homes is also blamed on hamas? That cannot be an excuse for an overpowering military force on Palestinians.

It is very easy to create a name to call evil and use it as an excuse for war, but doesn't our human side know better by now?? And one would think the Israelis know what it's like to be kicked out of their own homes.. yet, they perpetuate the cycle..

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Uh, you make Hamas sound like saints and Israel the devil. Sorry, been around too long to fall for that one. Don't you worry, I know the people that call out, "Death to Israel!" are outclassed in this fight. But to say Israel is to blame for going after Hamas, who is mixing in with the general population wearing civilian clothing? Sorry, Israel is just looking after themselves. The whole fighting may have been caused by Israel this time (police getting out of hand and the rightwing nationalists) but it is a political problem with both sides not wanting to budge. So they go through the same process every few years. Nothing like a good war to gain support politically. Why else would Hamas start to fire rockets at Israel?

k0rps said:

If Hamas had the capability to take over Israel, I'm sure they would have. Their biggest "attack" in years has been the 1,000 rockets launched that never reached Israeli ground. It is not an excuse to murder innocent people or bomb residential neighborhoods and media outlets.

Is Hamas also the excuse for kicking people out of their homes?? Violently arresting peaceful protesters who are protecting their homes is also blamed on hamas? That cannot be an excuse for an overpowering military force on Palestinians.

It is very easy to create a name to call evil and use it as an excuse for war, but doesn't our human side know better by now?? And one would think the Israelis know what it's like to be kicked out of their own homes.. yet, they perpetuate the cycle..

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Israel and Palestine are both equally to blame. If they both became adults and stopped jerking off over sky fairies this bullshit would be over in an instant.

Hamas fired rockets in support of Jerusalem. It was a red line with Israel and both want to score points at home.

printer said:

Hamas fired rockets in support of Jerusalem. It was a red line with Israel and both want to score points at home.

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One dickhead believes in a different sky fairy than the other dickhead.

Explanation done. lmao

printer said:

Uh, you make Hamas sound like saints and Israel the devil. Sorry, been around too long to fall for that one. Don't you worry, I know the people that call out, "Death to Israel!" are outclassed in this fight. But to say Israel is to blame for going after Hamas, who is mixing in with the general population wearing civilian clothing? Sorry, Israel is just looking after themselves. The whole fighting may have been caused by Israel this time (police getting out of hand and the rightwing nationalists) but it is a political problem with both sides not wanting to budge. So they go through the same process every few years. Nothing like a good war to gain support politically. Why else would Hamas start to fire rockets at Israel?

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I get where you might be coming from, but this is about Israeli expansion. Hamas used to be a large power when Israel first invaded Palestine. Now it's power is close to none.

Israel has started to expand again and Hamas retaliated. Again, there is no reason to air-strike one of the poorest, most densely packed areas of the world. Why could Israel not show restraint?

printer said:

Uh, you make Hamas sound like saints and Israel the devil.

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What is Zionism??

Sly.eyed.slim said:

One dickhead believes in a different sky fairy than the other dickhead.

Explanation done. lmao

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It is funny? You are a sick puppy.

k0rps said:

I get where you might be coming from, but this is about Israeli expansion. Hamas used to be a large power when Israel first invaded Palestine. Now it's power is close to none.

Israel has started to expand again and Hamas retaliated. Again, there is no reason to air-strike one of the poorest, most densely packed areas of the world. Why could Israel not show restraint?

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Yes you are right. Israel chipped away at the land, taking the best places for its settlers. Can't remember when it was, before 2000 or roughly then, everyone thought a peace deal would be signed and the Palestinians balked. Since then Israel has sided into a Nationalistic political bent. One we were afraid the US was going to slide into. Peace is probably not attainable now. Especially with the Arab countries that traded the Palestinians away for armaments and recognition of a land grab in the Sahara. The Palestinians were a people no one wanted after they got pushed out of Israel.

What caused the Israelis to go hard on the protesters when they were trapped , who knows? But once Hamas fired rockets into Jerusalem the gloves were off. That was their red line and the Palestinians knew it. But with the elections being called off, forgot the official reason, the real one was Hamas would gain. So now with no election how does Hamas get more political pull? Fire rockets into Jerusalem. So it is not like Hamas did not know the Israelis would not retaliate. Why the taking out the journalist offices? It was the safest place in Palestine. Sends a message. It might ultimatly blow up in their faces, the world put up with the minor dust ups but if this keeps up there might be consequences. That is unless another bright shiny object takes the spotlight off them. Maybe a new cat video.

Sly.eyed.slim said:

Israel and Palestine are both equally to blame. If they both became adults and stopped jerking off over sky fairies this bullshit would be over in an instant.

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That right there is horse shit. Israel's neo-fascist government uses rather than acts according to religious principles. It's a right wing authoritarian government that is trying to erase Palestine and Palestinians. Israel is a pugnacious nationalist government with an expansionist ideology. Looking at election results, doesn't have the support of even a majority of Israelis.

How can we solve the Palestinian Israeli problem? An informative documentary.

Where does HAMAS get their rockets?

Sir Napsalot said:

Where does HAMAS get their rockets?

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Smuggled in tunnels but they also build their own.

hanimmal said:

Yeah it is a pretty sick game that you have to hope nobody wins.
I worry about the way those videos can be titled and the partial stories that they can tell to illicit real human responses to.

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I would hope that a people so broken down by years of oppression, torture, human experimentation and evictions from their own homes can foresee a healthy future without having to worry about their abusive oppressor Israel. Very hard to imagine with the way things have been going... unless someone steps in??

hanimmal said:

They only tell partial portions of what occurred and are highly weaponizeable.
I think it would actually be very much in the interest of America (politicians anyways) to ban every social media platform, but that genie is out of the bottle.

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You are right @hanimmal! There is major potential for manipulatation using video & sound.. Let me remind you of the times when live streams are cutoff, phone services cutout, videos deleted ect. during events things like active riots, arrests nd police brutality ect

hanimmal said:

The Wealthy White Heterosexual Male Only agenda is my best guess.

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Your guess is as good as mine. But can someone please explain how an agenda can be male only and heterosexual?

printer said:

Yes you are right. Israel chipped away at the land, taking the best places for its settlers. Can't remember when it was, before 2000 or roughly then, everyone thought a peace deal would be signed and the Palestinians balked. Since then Israel has sided into a Nationalistic political bent. One we were afraid the US was going to slide into. Peace is probably not attainable now. Especially with the Arab countries that traded the Palestinians away for armaments and recognition of a land grab in the Sahara. The Palestinians were a people no one wanted after they got pushed out of Israel.

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1948 - UN offered 43% to Palestinians and 57% to Israelis. Palestine refused.
1949 - Israel declared it's own state w ~73% claimed.
Jewish people from all over the world including russia are allowed and welcomed in the state, yet the people who have been living there for hundreds n hundreds of years are treated worse than animals, continually oppressed and experience an extremely harsh reality.

Fogdog said:

That right there is horse shit. Israel's neo-fascist government uses rather than acts according to religious principles. It's a right wing authoritarian government that is trying to erase Palestine and Palestinians. Israel is a pugnacious nationalist government with an expansionist ideology. Looking at election results, doesn't have the support of even a majority of Israelis.

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Since 1967 Israelis have destroyed more than 24,000 Palestinian homes in occupied areas and 1000s more within Israel boders.
They take over Palestinian houses by extortion, corrupt jewish courts, black mail and force.

Zionism is truly a sickness that has to be recognized and not washed over and simply blamed on "hamas" or a 2 party fault.

The Palestinians have barely a leg to stand on. They dont have access to clean water or clothes. Does one really think they can fight off an extreme force like Israel?