but they do. every test ive done has citi beating cree down to 10W and below. Do you have any data that shows otherwise? theres this perception that cree is superior to the current offerings in some way but i have yet to see a single test of cree beating clu-058 and im not the only one testing them
First off, not sure how he is a competitor, DIY and fixture are not the same, he can fill every closet, not my concern or market.
well lets see... most people didnt even hear about citis until june and there was next to no US availability until late July, early August. its now second week of september. There are only so many people converting to LED in a given month. Did you expect all the people who've spent thousands of dollars on Cree rigs in the last 12 months to put them on the shelf and buy new chips and use them to grow some magical 4-6 week strain to produce side by side results less than two months later? Youre a rational guy, come on now.
So lets see these results. there are at least 2 threads on this site other than this one that are dedicated to citis. Because it would obviously be in your interest if we had one, just one, example of CXB operating more efficiently/economically than CLU058 on a PAR/W basis (or more economically than CLU048 on a PAR/$ basis), but yet we have yet to see a single result like that.
well until you cut me off lol for whatever reason. guessing you would have never sold me those if it wasnt prior to my webstore opening but no big deal. Ive never been anything but civil and im certainly not attacking your brand, i just test and present data. Grows are great (albeit highly subjective, true side-by-sides are very very very rare here), but they do not negate and or reduce the value of good repeatable bench measurements. so i will continue to bench test and report the data i have and leave it to the consumers to decide on their application. As our colleague @welight says, " an educated customer is a good customer" and i thank you GG and others for putting out the info you have to allow this movement to gain a foothold in a sea of overhyped LED bandwagonning.
Dude. Been waiting on that. You told me $25. I mean. I'm not slamming a dude for trying to make money but damn. Plus your shipping? Ugh.
ill hold that price for you. as it is now its $29 with RIU discount. find that driver anywhere for less than $47.
well IIRC youve got some crees in a corner of a large HPS setup. how many chips would you need to make a citi corner. im not going to get into the debate about mfr endorsements supporting growers with cheap gear as GG has covered the ups and downs of that, but if you want to do a test ive got a pile of 3000k tester chips i can throw some chips your way. i think we all trust you enough around here to be objective
that would be the $26 CLU048-1818 series yes
So drive the COB's at the power levels where they are efficient. Anything used not as intended will provide less than desirable results no?
It's coming waiting on parts just hung my 3590 light................
well you can compare the apples and oranges of crees and citis internal testing in completely different environmnets, or you can put two on the bench side by side in an identical environment and measure the light one produces per watt vs another. i chose the latter
heres about the fourth or fifth full test ive done and it isnt even a fair one. i dont happen to have a 4000k cree 80 cri which is in CD bin. i guess i could run a CD bin 3500k in there but everybody would call me biased
whos getting excited? i present bench data and people make decisions accordingly. at this point we are all praying that the citis wont make all their plants herm and give everybody eye cancer. well know soon enough i suppose what real world data looks like.
i wish i could take you up on this,but i cant do it right now with my limited space atm.im in the middle of building out a 28 x 32 x10 grow right now but its gunna be a good 3 months yet before im ready to actually grow in there.i figure by then we should see some citi grows but if not i would def set something up.i was thinking about buying some citis recently but not seeing the evidence led me to buying another 30 crees
how many citi's would it take to do a side by side with my 15 x 3590 cree bars driven at 1050ma ?
Ok first, when someone asks for recommendation for a light and someone suggests that they DIY or look into purchasing a light from PCL, wouldnt that be considered competition? Second,I have never even purchased anything from Cobkits, so fuck you. I have however made a small purchase from you. And third, not everyone lives in a legal state and can or want to put all of their business on front street. And with you knowing that, as far as Im concerned thats a bitch move on your part for calling out your fuckin so called non-growers. Fourth i havent stole a fuckin thing from you. Fifth, as far as there not being enough grows with the Citis, all of the info is there. You are the big "photons are king" guy. I think youre just ass hurt that there are so many more competitive options. Lastly, I could give a fuck about the testing that you are not going to share, so fuck off.
why are all those chips 80cri except the 3590 ?