Is the Keystone cancelation a good thing?

Mr_X

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take trump with you......I'll buy the rope
i've been exercising maskless around all the old trump supporters in my area. if they dont believe its real, then lets play ball. love knowing that fat and old people are at a higher risk than me. #survivalofthefittest #competitiveadvantage
 

printer

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Just a fun fact, from an energy expert.

"Total global oil reserves are estimated at 2,092 billion barrels, or 70 times the current production rate of about 30 billion barrels of oil a year. For comparison, cumulatively produced oil through 2015 amounted to 1,300 billion barrels.

Considering only proved reserves (1P), the study ranks Saudi Arabia at the top with 70 billion barrels, followed by Russia with 51 billion, Iran with 32 billion, the United States with 29 billion and Canada with 24 billion. Ranked by proved plus probable reserves (P2), Saudi Arabia holds 120 billion barrels, followed by Russia with 77 billion, Iran with 59 billion, Canada with 41 billion and the United States with 40 billion."

So 30 billion barrels a year.



60% for transportation. So 18 billion barrels.
 

injinji

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oh yeah this too. iirc cows shit methane which is one of the factors of global warming.
Cows and all the other animals with multiple stomachs that eat grass burp methane while they are chewing their cud. Hog shit is high in methane. Methane is the worst green house gas, and if we had less animals we would have less methane. But we were talking about CO2 emissions.
 

injinji

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Just a fun fact, from an energy expert.

"Total global oil reserves are estimated at 2,092 billion barrels, or 70 times the current production rate of about 30 billion barrels of oil a year. For comparison, cumulatively produced oil through 2015 amounted to 1,300 billion barrels.

Considering only proved reserves (1P), the study ranks Saudi Arabia at the top with 70 billion barrels, followed by Russia with 51 billion, Iran with 32 billion, the United States with 29 billion and Canada with 24 billion. Ranked by proved plus probable reserves (P2), Saudi Arabia holds 120 billion barrels, followed by Russia with 77 billion, Iran with 59 billion, Canada with 41 billion and the United States with 40 billion."

So 30 billion barrels a year.



60% for transportation. So 18 billion barrels.
The 25/35 ratio used for diesel and gas is the reason diesel used to be cheaper than gas, but now it cost more. With more trucks on the road, there is more demand for diesel, but the ratio per barrel stays the same. It's supply and demand.
 

hanimmal

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That is true. But the population left want air conditioning, TV and the rest.
So we figure it out.

There are better ways to do everything now. We just need to figure out how to do everything better tomorrow.The low handing fruit is picked. And we are forced to step up and figure out how to build a ladder to the fruit higher up in the tree.

Im hoping something like a regional system using our volcanoes as a incineration site where we somehow try to capture the gases released on a global setup. Pump the worlds garbage into those monsters. Drain dangerous ones and direct the magma into a city mold.
 

Cookie Rider

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Hydro is extremely destructive to ecological systems, fish ladders are a bs diversion tactic. Dams fuck up the environment due to fish runs and animal migration routes. It’s actually one of the worst “green” technologies. That’s why dams are actually coming down all over, to return the ecology to where it’s supposed to be. You can’t call something that kills wildlife “green” or renewable.
Your right.
I'll take this over nuclear.
Lesser of many evils.
We aren't going to just live in the forest w no heat light or means to cook.
Something has to give.
Solar, hydro, wind, all should be invested in. But there's still the remainder of coal and fossil fuels to fund the switch over period.
I'd say focus on safety and environment long term.
 

Budley Doright

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The oilsands does not produce oil that would explode, it is too thick for that. The train that exploded in Quebec killing 50 people was transporting fracking oil from North Dakota. looking up North dakota, fracking , trains, get a fair amount of explosions and fires. The

The point is that American companies can buy raw materials from wherever they want and then sell it wherever they want. It is called free enterprise. To repeat, American companies owns some of the production in Alberta and it takes it to feed its American refineries (that are not built to refine fracking oil) that it then either uses for domestic consumption or sells it on the world market.

US trade deficit. You buy more than you sell to the world.

"What is the US current trade deficit?
In 2019, U.S. merchandise exports were $1.65 trillion; imports were $2.52 trillion; and the merchandise trade deficit was $864 billion on a balance of payments basis, with a services surplus of $287 billion, as indicated in Figure 1.Dec 9, 2020"

Fun graphs on this page.

Yes I’m aware of the type of oil that was transported and where it originated, it swings through my city :(. If your alluding to the fact tar sands oil is a good thing. you may want to take a trip through the area if you haven’t, it’s quite the eye opener. Also chat with the indigenous people down stream of the operations, it’s heartbreaking that we do that to the people for money and power. All oil extraction is raping the land and needs to stop. A big start to replacements would be to charge what the actual cost of the whole process including remediation (if even possible) is.
 

Budley Doright

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So we figure it out.

There are better ways to do everything now. We just need to figure out how to do everything better tomorrow.The low handing fruit is picked. And we are forced to step up and figure out how to build a ladder to the fruit higher up in the tree.

Im hoping something like a regional system using our volcanoes as a incineration site where we somehow try to capture the gases released on a global setup. Pump the worlds garbage into those monsters. Drain dangerous ones and direct the magma into a city mold.
The first part is so true. I gave the second paragraph the laughy face lol.
 

Fogdog

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But that is just it. The oil is coming by rail now. And it puts much more carbon in the air then pumping it through a pipe. I would rather they follow the existing pipeline although it is farther and would cost more as well as higher pumping costs.


Cushing is a major storage hub, the pipeline between it and Houston can be


The bottom red section began operation in 2014. Canada already sends 550,000 barrels of oil per day to the US via the existing Keystone pipeline.

Crude oil by rail.



Which Is Safer For Transporting Crude Oil: Rail, Truck, Pipeline Or Boat?
Canada’s energy regulator announced in June 2018 that 200,000 barrels per day is being exported by rail. So which mode is safer? For oil, the short answer is: truck worse than train worse than pipeline worse than boat (Oilprice.com). "

"Every crude oil has different properties, such as sulfur content (sweet to sour) or density (light to heavy), and requires a specific chemical processing facility to handle it. Different crudes produce different amounts and types of products, sometimes leading to a glut in one or more of them, like too much natural gas liquids that drops their price dramatically, or not enough heating oil that raises their price.

As an example, the second largest refinery in the United States, Marathon Oil’s GaryVille Louisiana facility, can handle over 520,000 barrels a day (bpd) of heavy sour crude from places like Mexico and Canada but can’t handle sweet domestic crude from New Mexico.

Thus the reason for the Keystone Pipeline or increased rail transport - to get heavy tar sand crude to refineries in the American Midwest and along the Gulf Coast than can handle it.

The last entirely new petroleum refinery in the United States opened in 1976. Since then, the number of refineries has steadily declined while refining capacity has concentrated in ever-larger facilities. 25% of U.S. capacity is found in only eleven refineries. Recently, Shell’s Baytown refinery in Texas, the largest in the nation, was expanded to 600,000 bpd. Most of the big refineries can handle heavy crude, but many smaller refineries can process only light to intermediate crude oil, most of which originates within the U.S.

A rail tank car carries about 30,000 gallons (÷ 42 gallons/barrel = about 700 barrels). A train of 100 cars carries about 3 million gallons (70,000 barrels) and takes over 3 days to travel from Alberta to the Gulf Coast, about a million gallons per day. The Keystone will carry about 35 million gallons per day (830,000 barrels). This puts pressure on rail transport to get bigger and bigger, and include more cars per train, the very reason that crude oil train wrecks have dramatically increased lately.
( https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2018/10/11/which-is-safer-for-transporting-crude-oil-rail-truck-pipeline-or-boat/?sh=4035d3847b23)
My issue with the pipeline is with the risks to water supplies, sensitive areas and objections by Native American tribes over whose lands it crosses.
 

Budley Doright

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My issue with the pipeline is with the risks to water supplies, sensitive areas and objections by Native American tribes over whose lands it crosses.
My issue is the whole industry and the devastation it causes and no one seems to give a shit, just a lot of spewing bullshit goals, all for profit. I live on a waterway, one of my hopes is the banning of all pleasure craft combustion engines on inland waterways, that would be so cool. I am optimistic about what Biden has done in the short time he since moved in.
 

Fogdog

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My issue is the whole industry and the devastation it causes and no one seems to give a shit, just a lot of spewing bullshit goals, all for profit. I live on a waterway, one of my hopes is the banning of all pleasure craft combustion engines on inland waterways, that would be so cool. I am optimistic about what Biden has done in the short time he since moved in.
Agree with you about recreational motor boats. Have I shown you a picture of my sailboat?

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Actually that one is not mine, I have a blue one.
 

xtsho

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i've been exercising maskless around all the old trump supporters in my area. if they dont believe its real, then lets play ball. love knowing that fat and old people are at a higher risk than me. #survivalofthefittest #competitiveadvantage
You're a troll and not even a good one. The only reason I bother responding is in the off chance that someone that doesn't realize you're a troll takes what you say and starts to actually follow in that demented mindset then maybe I can prevent it.

You are one sick individual that thinks going around maskless hoping to infect people is something to be proud of. In fact the actual act of intentionally trying to infect people is a criminal offense. It doesn't matter if they are trump supporters or not. Hoping to spread a sickness just shows how pathetic you are. Your posts show you for what you are. Nothing.

You are nothing and that's why you hate everyone else so much. Instead of focusing your energy online spewing hate why don't you get off your lazy ass and do something with your life. You losers that complain about this and that but are unable to make any sacrifices to better your lives will always be losers.

I'm an American as well. I'm an American that does not think I'm any better than anyone else. The fisherman in Jakarta, the farmer in Africa, the people fleeing poverty in Central America, all my equals. I might have more material things, never worry about my next meal, a warm place to sleep, none of that makes me any better or more worthy of life on this planet. These people all have families, people they care about, dreams and ambitions. To see some pathetic punk talk about survival of the fittest as they live in luxury just because of where they happened to be born is repulsive.

I agree that the planet needs less people. Less people like you.
 

Fogdog

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How is it up to Canada? Is it also not up to the buyer. Could you imagine the fallout from your goverment if Canada unilaterally stopped the flow of oil to the US? Not that Canada would. Seems both countries don’t give a flying fuck as to the impact the tar sands and other extraction methods are having on our countries and the world :(. I agree with you re the pipeline, I wouldn’t want it either, I’m thinking that just means it’ll get there another way, as I watch another rolling bomb go by. That’s kind of the point of the thread, is it just being done for optics, is it actually going to accomplish anything meaningful?
If protecting our water supplies is looked upon as being done for optics then I'm for optics. Why is it that our railways are so unsafe? Maybe we could invest in that instead?
 

xtsho

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Agree with you about recreational motor boats. Have I shown you a picture of my sailboat?

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Actually that one is not mine, I have a blue one.
I love sailing on the Columbia river. I've had the pleasure of doing so many times. near the I-205 bridge. Cutting back and forth. Fun stuff. I'm in no way an expert but can do what I'm told by those that are.

But when it comes to Wakeboarding and driving the boat I have that under control. Didn't get out last summer or this winter. Damn Covid. But I'm hoping to be on the Willamette this summer hitting the wake. West Linn, Boones Bridge, or Newburg. Those are the main put in points. Although I have done some grabs and backroll attempts along the waterfront downtown after launching at Willamette Park and heading north after riding through the Holgate channel on the east side of Ross Island. Back in the day we'd head into the Ross Island lagoon. It's all a no wake zone now so that era has come to an end. Good times. :blsmoke:


 

Kdoggy

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Yes I’m aware of the type of oil that was transported and where it originated, it swings through my city :(. If your alluding to the fact tar sands oil is a good thing. you may want to take a trip through the area if you haven’t, it’s quite the eye opener. Also chat with the indigenous people down stream of the operations, it’s heartbreaking that we do that to the people for money and power. All oil extraction is raping the land and needs to stop. A big start to replacements would be to charge what the actual cost of the whole process including remediation (if even possible) is.
Ya because americas citys dont rape the landscape right its only as long as it suits you if it inconviwnces your thought process then its bad.
 

Cookie Rider

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My issue with the pipeline is with the risks to water supplies, sensitive areas and objections by Native American tribes over whose lands it crosses.
Water sources should never be put at risk.
We are dead without clean water.
Reroutes, double walled pipes, spillways, do whatever it takes to protect the waterways.
We all know how close the rails are to everything, consider that a pipeline on wheels.
Ownership rights is a whole other can of worms.
No one should leave the table edit: without being, well compensated.
 
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