Is there any way to cross clones?
- Thread starter gbj
- Start date
Crossing clones to grow as a hybrid plant is proving to me to become difficult 
Filthy Phil
Well-Known Member
All you have to do is hermy one and pollinate the other one
themanwiththeplan
Well-Known Member
no hermie!
you wanna make some colloidal silver and choose which one you'd like to be the "male" and which you want to be the female then spray accordingly.
one way to go is to spray half of one clone and leave the other alone. this way in the end you'll end up with an F1 cross AND S1 beans all at once...the seeds you find on the clone you treated with colloidal silver will be the S1 seeds (virtually a clone in seed form of the plant you treated with CS). the other plant's seeds (the one you didnt spray with CS) will be the F1 cross of both clones.
btw. you wont get hermies as a result if both clones don't have a hermie trait. CS doesn't modify the genetics...it just encourages male pollen sacs to grow.
you wanna spray with the CS one to two weeks after pistils begin to develop in flowering. alternatively you could also spray one plant from stem to main cola and use it exclusively as a male.
you wanna make some colloidal silver and choose which one you'd like to be the "male" and which you want to be the female then spray accordingly.
one way to go is to spray half of one clone and leave the other alone. this way in the end you'll end up with an F1 cross AND S1 beans all at once...the seeds you find on the clone you treated with colloidal silver will be the S1 seeds (virtually a clone in seed form of the plant you treated with CS). the other plant's seeds (the one you didnt spray with CS) will be the F1 cross of both clones.
btw. you wont get hermies as a result if both clones don't have a hermie trait. CS doesn't modify the genetics...it just encourages male pollen sacs to grow.
you wanna spray with the CS one to two weeks after pistils begin to develop in flowering. alternatively you could also spray one plant from stem to main cola and use it exclusively as a male.
hazey grapes
Well-Known Member
if you want to take the more natural approach, find a strain that's similar to your clones and just keep back crossing it to your clones 4 or more generations. you won't get exactly the same strain, but after enough back crosses, you'll get something pretty close. every time you back cross, you cut the other strain's influence in half
B x A = 50% of your "A" strain
(B x A) x A = 75% A
[(B x A) x A] x A = 87.5% A and so on and then cross the two strains when you finally get mothers that are close enough to what you're looking for.
in the post above, they mention using colloidal silver to force one of your plants to produce male flowers. that IS the definition of hermie... a plant that is both male & female. it isn't bred for hermaphroditism, but when you breed that way, you increase the chance that the trait will show up in your offspring which should be feminized at that too as there was no actual male used in breeding. that's why many growers don't want anything to do with femmed seeds, especially for breeding.
if you only wish to propagate your two cuttings, just keep them in vegetative growth and take more cuttings from each of them. you don't need seeds to reproduce and cuttings are super easy to make. you just can't clone autos because they don't have a vegetative cycle
B x A = 50% of your "A" strain
(B x A) x A = 75% A
[(B x A) x A] x A = 87.5% A and so on and then cross the two strains when you finally get mothers that are close enough to what you're looking for.
in the post above, they mention using colloidal silver to force one of your plants to produce male flowers. that IS the definition of hermie... a plant that is both male & female. it isn't bred for hermaphroditism, but when you breed that way, you increase the chance that the trait will show up in your offspring which should be feminized at that too as there was no actual male used in breeding. that's why many growers don't want anything to do with femmed seeds, especially for breeding.
if you only wish to propagate your two cuttings, just keep them in vegetative growth and take more cuttings from each of them. you don't need seeds to reproduce and cuttings are super easy to make. you just can't clone autos because they don't have a vegetative cycle
themanwiththeplan
Well-Known Member
no. using colloidal silver to force a plant to hermie does NOT make the offspring more likely to hermie. Generally you get hermies in offspring when either:
A)that specific genetic line is prone to hermies
or
B) the mother or father used to produce the offspring was a hermie. if you breed w/ a hermie. youll get hermie or more of a chance.
when you use CS you're not disturbing the plants genetics. Thats like saying if you get a scar on your arm that your kid will have a good chance at having the same scar. CS is something you use on the specific plant. that mixture (CS) does NOT alter the genetic line. only that specific plant. same thing as the scar example. the scar affects YOU not your kids.
using CS on a plant is usually necessary as a good breeder will stress the parents to test how likely it is/will hermie.
If a good breeder tests a mother and it goes hermie they will discard it and go to the next one. believe it or not there are plenty of fem seed out there that will not hermie no matter what you do to them (i put one of my plants to the test once w/ success...6 wks of torture: not 1 banana (pollen sac).
If i chose to use CS on that plant and produce S1's (or cross w/ another fem and produce F1's) theres a very good chance the offspring wont hermie (assuming the hermie trait is not likely/dominant in the plants genetic history)
the only time a hermie is bad for feminized breeding is when the hermie is natural and not man made.
hope that makes sense im high and tired lol
