It's A Fuct World
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TallBuddy
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Hey al,
You're the man! My upcoming grow is going to be using 4 2x2 trays with 2 600w light and 16 6 inch pots in each tray inspired by your grow. I've currently only have 2 mothers but will take two cuttings soon to double the moms under a 250w mh, will that be enough light for the mothers? Also, would the two 600s be overkill and might I have better results with 1 1kw lamp? Thanks lots!
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You're the man! My upcoming grow is going to be using 4 2x2 trays with 2 600w light and 16 6 inch pots in each tray inspired by your grow. I've currently only have 2 mothers but will take two cuttings soon to double the moms under a 250w mh, will that be enough light for the mothers? Also, would the two 600s be overkill and might I have better results with 1 1kw lamp? Thanks lots!
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Al B. Fuct
once had a dog named
OK, now I'm annoyed. I just spent 45 mins replying to several of the 2 pages of questions waiting for me, hit POST and the RIU board threw an error and LOST THE FUCKING LOT.
If this happens again, I'm NOT going to bother re-writing all those answers. I simply have too many other things to do.
OK, once more with feeling... pardon me if I'm brief.
If you have no luck with RW cubes, there's a high probability that you're keeping them too wet. RW is highly absorbent and it's very easy to overwater the material. Refer to my thread on cloning in RW in my signature for details. I have changed the process only slightly; I'm now using only plain water to pre-soak the cubes and water the clones, no H2O2, no pH correction. Works fine, 100% strikes in 10 days. Clonebox air temp is 26-27C, heat mat temp set to 30C.
Mind you, you're going to get sick of lugging clay pellets around and you sure won't want to clean them for re-use. Give some serious thought to a sterile, disposable medium in plain old 175mm dia x 175mm tall round plastic pots. Netpots really aren't necessary. The drain holes in ordinary plastic pots do fine for admitting nute soln & draining as well.
If this happens again, I'm NOT going to bother re-writing all those answers. I simply have too many other things to do.
OK, once more with feeling... pardon me if I'm brief.
Cheers for the thanks.
If you have no luck with RW cubes, there's a high probability that you're keeping them too wet. RW is highly absorbent and it's very easy to overwater the material. Refer to my thread on cloning in RW in my signature for details. I have changed the process only slightly; I'm now using only plain water to pre-soak the cubes and water the clones, no H2O2, no pH correction. Works fine, 100% strikes in 10 days. Clonebox air temp is 26-27C, heat mat temp set to 30C.
Most cooltubes are 150mm dia. Use a good quality 150mm axial blower for the cooltubes, preferably a fan with ball bearings on the motor shaft. Carbon filters present a high static pressure load. You must use a centrifugal blower with carbon filters. You need to shift the volume of the room's airmass in about 3 mins. A 500 cu ft room needs a ~167CFM exhaust blower.
CMH is kinda interesting but not really necessary. CMH does have a broader spectrum but cannabis doesn't need the blue end of the spectrum for flowering. In SoG, you're not vegging the plants to be flowered, so all the flowering area needs is HPS.
I've since revised the nute strength downward. 1000-1100ppm from go to whoa.
Cannanym isn't compatible with H2O2, so that's out. Rhizotonic is hugely expensive & hugely stinky and I've never noticed a benefit from it. OK to skip it.
1000-1100 will do for just about any cannabis plant. Don't flush between tanks- that actually can cause problems; flushing will leach nutes out of the rootmass.
Sounds good
I don't recall the capacity of my dehumidifier at this instant, but I'll check later on & get back to you as time permits. Use the highest capacity dehumidifier your wallet allows. 70pt/day should do fine. Your target RH is around 30-50%, adjust the dehumidifier to suit. Use a peak-hold thermometer/hygrometer so you know the ranges.Also some quick general questions what size is your dehumidifier (I was looking at 30 pints a day, but it's cheaper to buy a 70 pint a day unit my room is only 9x5x?
What sized pumps do you use...I was looking at 250 gal a min or 360 gal a min (for each 40 gal res and table).
Cheers for that.
Remember what I said about not wasting my time? Welcome to my ignore list. It's rare company- you're only the 2nd person I've put on ignore in 15 years of commenting on cannabis boards.
Rubbish. ALL fluoros have mercury in them and the lights advertised are nothing but plain old fluoros. It's a sucker ad for ordinary fluoros. You really don't know what you're talking about- time for you to be very, very quiet. A deserving addition to my ignore list.
Thanks for your confidence & compliments. No, I've not considered running a class on growing, but I have briefly considered offering grow op help on a subscription basis. I haven't found the spare time to actually do that, though. Just far too busy.
Load the netpots to the top. Nest the 1.5" cube into the pellets so that the cube bottoms are 1/2" above the flood level. Don't worry about light hitting the roots through the netpot mesh. The plants will make roots elsewhere, where there's no light getting to them.
Mind you, you're going to get sick of lugging clay pellets around and you sure won't want to clean them for re-use. Give some serious thought to a sterile, disposable medium in plain old 175mm dia x 175mm tall round plastic pots. Netpots really aren't necessary. The drain holes in ordinary plastic pots do fine for admitting nute soln & draining as well.
No need for pellets on top of the RW cube. All we're looking for is to have the cubes 1/2" above the flood level. If the cubes are touching or below the flood level, the RW will saturate and kill the young plants before they have the oppty to get roots down into the pellets.
Oh, I'll be around for a few days, but answering questions on here is already clashing with my other work. I just don't have time to keep up with everything on my plate.
The RW cube should not be touching or below the flood level. Roots will seek the wet pellets. You may want to hand-water the pellets AROUND the cube for a few days immediately after planting in the pellets, but don't water the cube itself.
Al B. Fuct
once had a dog named
Thanks, hope all is well for you, too.
Kinda interesting; I like the central lighting- light loses intensity when bouncing off a reflector. However, the setup looks really complex & expensive. I think I see some kinda dead looking plants in the 1st photo. What happened there?
Thanks.
Noice. Sounds like my setup in about 2/3 scale.
Should be fine.
No, I think a pair of 600s will be great for your 4x 2x2s as long as you're using some flavour of batwing reflector which will lay down a rectangular light pattern. Sounds like it'll do very well.
Oh, those were some clones I had in there just to test it out, but went to Europe for two weeks and decided to kill them (just let them die)..........(was still a new and untested system and didn't wanna come home to a flooded/burned down house surrounded by cops).
And yeah, it is complex (and getting more so by the day with this HP aero conversion) and expensive but that's what people do with hobbies, right?
Stay well brother.
EDIT: if you're ever at a computer twiddling your thumbs and have three minutes to kill, here's a video of the delivery system when it was LP aero/NFT.............again, best of luck and stay healthy, kiddo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrWEfZ_4tuY
DOUBLE EDIT: Last we spoke I was telling you about my 9 plants per square foot experiment (142 plants in a 4x4 tray) - actually worked out pretty well - was too lazy to lollipop (lazy stoner) and still got 1.5+ pounds off of a 1K (which with that strain is actually pretty decent).
4" netpots, hydroton, flooding every two hours.......pics are from week 5, if memory serves.....
And yeah, it is complex (and getting more so by the day with this HP aero conversion) and expensive but that's what people do with hobbies, right?
Stay well brother.
EDIT: if you're ever at a computer twiddling your thumbs and have three minutes to kill, here's a video of the delivery system when it was LP aero/NFT.............again, best of luck and stay healthy, kiddo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrWEfZ_4tuY
DOUBLE EDIT: Last we spoke I was telling you about my 9 plants per square foot experiment (142 plants in a 4x4 tray) - actually worked out pretty well - was too lazy to lollipop (lazy stoner) and still got 1.5+ pounds off of a 1K (which with that strain is actually pretty decent).
4" netpots, hydroton, flooding every two hours.......pics are from week 5, if memory serves.....
Al B. Fuct
once had a dog named
Gotcha.
I hope it produces at least a metric fucktonne for you for all the work you've put into it. You're more ambitious than I am.And yeah, it is complex (and getting more so by the day with this HP aero conversion) and expensive but that's what people do with hobbies, right?
Very interesting. I hope it's easy to maintain and reliable for you.
Noice work.
Ronjohn7779
Well-Known Member
Thanks for the answers Al! By the way I'm buying a heavy duty rubbermaid 50 gallon tote to use as a res. I fill this tote to 35-40 gallons of liquids. My flood table size is 3Lx2wx8h. I'll most likely fill my flood table to 3-4 inches or so. You think a 250 gallons per hour pump or 350 gallons per hour pump would be better? Shockingly it's cheaper to buy the 350 gph pump.
P.S. Each flood table will have 20 SOG (not 40 like I said earlier) style no veg plants (2 tables under each light). Also each flood table will have it's own res. You think I should go with 30 gals of nutrient solution or 40 per table? I realize the more you use the less PH and Nutrient deficiencies you should have in theory. I also don't want to be wasteful.
P.S. Each flood table will have 20 SOG (not 40 like I said earlier) style no veg plants (2 tables under each light). Also each flood table will have it's own res. You think I should go with 30 gals of nutrient solution or 40 per table? I realize the more you use the less PH and Nutrient deficiencies you should have in theory. I also don't want to be wasteful.
Ronjohn, you're much better off going with a Sterilite (they make a 45 gallon tote, I have shitloads of them) than the Rubbermaid - I have two of the 50 gallon Rubbermaids, they both leaked within six months (in addition, the handles only allow ~40 gallons of liquid in there, tops).
If memory serves the Sterilite is 1.5" taller than the Rubbermaid, but it's worth it, trust me.
Now back to the Al show - Al, I'm calling it a night, but God help me if you come around my way and don't drop me a line..............keep doing what you do, brother
If memory serves the Sterilite is 1.5" taller than the Rubbermaid, but it's worth it, trust me.
Now back to the Al show - Al, I'm calling it a night, but God help me if you come around my way and don't drop me a line..............keep doing what you do, brother
Awesome I think you answered all my main questions
Have you used Sure-To-Grow Cubes? If so how do they compare to rockwool? Would they be better to use?
Do the netpots have any benefit since they allow more air into the root zone? How do you think grow bags or smart pots would work in an ebb & flow?
And lastly so you recommend I use loose rockwool as my medium instead of hydroton? With that I only flood once a day correct?
Thanks again Al.
Have you used Sure-To-Grow Cubes? If so how do they compare to rockwool? Would they be better to use?
Do the netpots have any benefit since they allow more air into the root zone? How do you think grow bags or smart pots would work in an ebb & flow?
And lastly so you recommend I use loose rockwool as my medium instead of hydroton? With that I only flood once a day correct?
Thanks again Al.
Ronjohn7779
Well-Known Member
Nice thanks I like sterilite I use them for monotubs in mushroom growing. And they've yet to leak now that you mention it. In any case, was planning on double layering each tote in case of leakage. I'll have to check out those sterilite tubs.Ronjohn, you're much better off going with a Sterilite (they make a 45 gallon tote, I have shitloads of them) than the Rubbermaid - I have two of the 50 gallon Rubbermaids, they both leaked within six months (in addition, the handles only allow ~40 gallons of liquid in there, tops).
If memory serves the Sterilite is 1.5" taller than the Rubbermaid, but it's worth it, trust me.
Now back to the Al show - Al, I'm calling it a night, but God help me if you come around my way and don't drop me a line..............keep doing what you do, brother
EDIT these are the only 45 gal totes I see sterlite makes. http://www.amazon.com/Sterilite-19481004-45-Gallon-Titanium-Latches/dp/B002C4KYFS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1295245522&sr=8-1
I'd rather not get these since they have wheels...I can see those fuckers leaking.
TallBuddy
Member
Thanks for the reply al! Follow up questions. 1. Could you elaborate on how you maintain your mothers...are the only cuts you make for clones? Should I be topping my mothers early on to encourage bush-like growth? (I was thinking this might be a nice way to double my mothers) and....2. I plan on running 6 inch pots, since I'm not using hydroton in the flood bed will I encounter any problems running the pots next to each other with no space in-between?...I like to support my local shop and am hoping they'll order me some floc if not fytocell but should nether be the case do you think I could get away with using "rock wool pellets" from a logical standpoint I'd think itd would similarly to floc. These pellets are very small (I'd guess they're only 1 cm in length and a quarter of that in width)
Thanks so much for being a source of experienced based knowledge!
Thanks so much for being a source of experienced based knowledge!
onegreenthumb
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Hey Al I was wondering if you have ever check out the videos on Youtube about limbo's growing tech's and what you thought?
This guy seems amazing I have never seen such bud growth before.
This guy seems amazing I have never seen such bud growth before.
phxfire
New Member
BUT AL.... What about my question...... VENTALATION... 10x10 & 7ft tall ROOM
WHAT I AM BUYING:
6" inline fan 490 CFM
6" duct (30ft)
Carbon Filter (Phat Filter) 500CFM 24inch tall 6" DUCT
Exhaust Fan 980 CFM
I will be using (2) Tube Cooled 1000 WAtters...
Is this enough to get out the smell??? I am in a little of a JAM... What would be the best configuration for the best results? Should vent system be on a timer or always ON???
WHAT I AM BUYING:
6" inline fan 490 CFM
6" duct (30ft)
Carbon Filter (Phat Filter) 500CFM 24inch tall 6" DUCT
Exhaust Fan 980 CFM
I will be using (2) Tube Cooled 1000 WAtters...
Is this enough to get out the smell??? I am in a little of a JAM... What would be the best configuration for the best results? Should vent system be on a timer or always ON???
The ones with wheels do not leak - have NEVER had any Sterilite leak.
I'd recommend building (I do) a brace around the tub with 2x4s (costs $2 in materials, just a simple square with legs) to help the tub hold its shape and not bow from the water pressure.
Again, Rubbermaids leak, Sterilites do not..............good luck.
mindphuk
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If you post regularly on any message board, it will end up being a lifesaver.
SCARHOLE
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exactly pluss rep+
I can tell no difference if its flushed or not in all honesty.
It good to hear someone else say it.
green_is_good
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hey al, thanks for coming back i really enjoy reading your posts.
drgreentm
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i agree last harvest was 0 flush cut them down still with nutes in the water and couldnt tell the difference.