theloadeddragon
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have you considered Full Volume growing?
And yes Im sure
And yes Im sure
JigFresh's Grow #2 : Vertical Scrog - closet diy dwc - 650w - Headband + Casey Jones
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DST
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Some plants are just maxed out on yield with certain grow conditions I think. I have tried several ways to get more out of the Headbands I grow, but they always produce the same average yield....but very nice bud. I have topped, grown normal xmas tree, min veg time, straight colas, and when you look at results, not much difference, I often think it's better just doing straight clones into 12/12, but then you are looking at way more plants. But that seems to be popular in NL. I guess it's down to your own personal situation, Jig. But you'll find your next grow road I am sure. Always happy to help, if needed, lol.
Peace, DST
jigfresh
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Oh man.... I would so bet big money those are just pistils... BUT... I know that when EVERYONE tells you that you are crazy... Everyone is almost always right. So I will go with the consensus... I just won't be going happily, haha.have you considered Full Volume growing?
And yes Im sure
Now what the Fuck is Full Volume growing. Just to confuse me more.
One thought I had was doing a mix of soil and hydro... just to complicate the hell our of everything. Now keep in mind this article was written in 2000, so many things have changed. Check this:
http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/1534.html
One thing I am pretty sure on is that I want to grow organically (or as close as I can).
Also, I might want to try Canna nutes. I guess you don't adjust the pH at all. I like that.
Don't know if I'll go vertical or horizontal. Also don't know if I'm going to try for more light as well. Maybe a 600 or 1000... or maybe two 600's. Or even two 1000's. That would be insane. Ok, but seiously, I would either do a 1k, or a 600w + 400w. Really unsure about it all.
One other thing. I'm going to concentrate on root growth this next time. Get a massive root structure to carry the plants into flower with. Thinking of using house & garden roots excelurator, algen extract and multi zen. Any experience with them or similar products.
Anyone heard of Age Old - Liquid Soil?
theloadeddragon
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Full Volume growing is difficult to explain....... diagrams make it a lot easier to understand...... by far the most effective method I have seen though
DST
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I haven't heard of Age Old Liquid Soil, but Age Old products rings a bell form somewhere...perhaps on an RIU thread.
I have just ordered a metal halide 400 which I think I will add to the 600 hps
. I can't see me needing any more than that. I may also try running them on different times throughout the day, 1/ It appeases the wife and her concerns over me using yet more electricity, lol 2/ I figure that light spectrum is not full on 100% of the day.....I am sure there is some reading on that. Organics is the way (for me
. )
At the mo I am watering small amounts every couple of days (400-800ml a pot), I figure getting fresh water running over the roots is better than stufff that is retained in the mix for 3 - 4 days - we shall see.
I have just ordered a metal halide 400 which I think I will add to the 600 hps
. I can't see me needing any more than that. I may also try running them on different times throughout the day, 1/ It appeases the wife and her concerns over me using yet more electricity, lol 2/ I figure that light spectrum is not full on 100% of the day.....I am sure there is some reading on that. Organics is the way (for me. ) At the mo I am watering small amounts every couple of days (400-800ml a pot), I figure getting fresh water running over the roots is better than stufff that is retained in the mix for 3 - 4 days - we shall see.
Iamtreehigh
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I was wondering what the final weight was going to be, the bit that I had did more shrinking than I thought it would.
wonderblunder
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Full Volume growing? I am interested..........
theloadeddragon
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there are likenesses to what you are doing
it was actually designed by NASA
it was actually designed by NASA
DST
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Not exactly relevant, but I was reading about airoponic tecniques that Nasa were experimenting with to reduce disease control http://www.sti.nasa.gov/tto/Spinoff2006/er_2.html You have got to love the guys name, Dr Richard Stoner the II!!!!
jflo
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Hey jig,
wouldn't be too down on the yeild, your still gonna pull off a decent harvest when you count the casey j and sour g together. For such a small space and relativley low wattage lamps what you've gotten is legit I think!
also, I saw the same info about root excellerator on Doubleds "42lb 10 plant yield" on thcfarmer. Sounds legit, He is using 60l basins for his grow though so he can afford massive root growth. I dunoo if you've been following his seeds that other growers have gotten but they don't seem to get the rediculous yield he reported. His system seems to be the shit!
Organic is the ultimate for quality but maybe not so much quantity(due to root space limitations, inability to precisely control nutes etc). If you want to see the best organic quality I've ever seen check out a grower named "jare" on thcfarmer, small grow but damn near perfection!
http://www.thcfarmer.com/forums/f62/strawberry-diesel-cuts-8618/
However if your looking to increase yield...bubbleponic or aeroponic is the only logical choice imho.
ps...did you use Co2 in this grow?
good luck
wouldn't be too down on the yeild, your still gonna pull off a decent harvest when you count the casey j and sour g together. For such a small space and relativley low wattage lamps what you've gotten is legit I think!
also, I saw the same info about root excellerator on Doubleds "42lb 10 plant yield" on thcfarmer. Sounds legit, He is using 60l basins for his grow though so he can afford massive root growth. I dunoo if you've been following his seeds that other growers have gotten but they don't seem to get the rediculous yield he reported. His system seems to be the shit!
Organic is the ultimate for quality but maybe not so much quantity(due to root space limitations, inability to precisely control nutes etc). If you want to see the best organic quality I've ever seen check out a grower named "jare" on thcfarmer, small grow but damn near perfection!
http://www.thcfarmer.com/forums/f62/strawberry-diesel-cuts-8618/
However if your looking to increase yield...bubbleponic or aeroponic is the only logical choice imho.
ps...did you use Co2 in this grow?
good luck
Oh man.... I would so bet big money those are just pistils... BUT... I know that when EVERYONE tells you that you are crazy... Everyone is almost always right. So I will go with the consensus... I just won't be going happily, haha.
Now what the Fuck is Full Volume growing. Just to confuse me more.
One thought I had was doing a mix of soil and hydro... just to complicate the hell our of everything. Now keep in mind this article was written in 2000, so many things have changed. Check this:
http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/1534.html
One thing I am pretty sure on is that I want to grow organically (or as close as I can).
Also, I might want to try Canna nutes. I guess you don't adjust the pH at all. I like that.
Don't know if I'll go vertical or horizontal. Also don't know if I'm going to try for more light as well. Maybe a 600 or 1000... or maybe two 600's. Or even two 1000's. That would be insane. Ok, but seiously, I would either do a 1k, or a 600w + 400w. Really unsure about it all.
One other thing. I'm going to concentrate on root growth this next time. Get a massive root structure to carry the plants into flower with. Thinking of using house & garden roots excelurator, algen extract and multi zen. Any experience with them or similar products.
Anyone heard of Age Old - Liquid Soil?
wonderblunder
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I have seen that 42lb grow. So sweet. Would love to even do something like that with 1/2 to 1/4 the yield
jflo
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Yeah agreed. It inspired me to go vertical myself. I'm currently in process of building a new flower chamber.
gonna stay bubbleponic with close to 60 liter res. and copy a modified version of doubleds light setup:
4 (400w hps or 600w depending on heat issues) in a 5x7x8 box and have the lights laid out in a diamond shape in between 5 plants. doin a perpetual harvest every 12 days+-. Can't have more than 12 plants here in MIch to stay legal. plants will veg for 50 to 62 days depending on how many mothers I keep.
like this: x0x
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0= light
Gonna move the plants thru stages round the room. The center plant obviously is goin to get light from all 4 sides like doubleds. every other plant gets 2 lights on it. Figure should yield close to a pound per plant every 12 days with a heavy indica strain
question to anyone: what 12 day period in the flowering do you think would be the most beneficial for the plant to be in the center"sweet spot"? early, middle or late in the flowering cycle?
thank
s in advance
jflo
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oops... meantYeah agreed. It inspired me to go vertical myself. I'm currently in process of building a new flower chamber.
gonna stay bubbleponic with close to 60 liter res. and copy a modified version of doubleds light setup:
4 (400w hps or 600w depending on heat issues) in a 5x7x8 box and have the lights laid out in a diamond shape in between 5 plants. doin a perpetual harvest every 12 days+-. Can't have more than 12 plants here in MIch to stay legal. plants will veg for 50 to 62 days depending on how many mothers I keep.
like this: x0x
0x0
x0x x= plants
0= light
Gonna move the plants thru stages round the room. The center plant obviously is goin to get light from all 4 sides like doubleds. every other plant gets 2 lights on it. Figure should yield close to a pound per plant every 12 days with a heavy indica strain
question to anyone: what 12 day period in the flowering do you think would be the most beneficial for the plant to be in the center"sweet spot"? early, middle or late in the flowering cycle?
thank
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wonderblunder
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Like that diagram. Some 600ws would be perfect for that.......... PotPatriot had something like that lined up but abandoned his journal. His strain was White Widow.... Sounds interesting. Keep us posted
jigfresh
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I'm considering trying to run a system like DoubleD's... maybe just one plant with light surrounding it.
I am also considering going bubbleponics next grow... especially after reading that bit about how the top 1/3 of the roots absorb most of the nutes while the bottm 2/3 absorb most of the water... seems pretty critical to deliver nutes to the top of the root system.
I think the best 12 day period would be right around mid week 3 to early week 5 of flower. This tends to be when the most weight gets packed on (for indicas at least).
That plant in the middle will be one happy plant for that time. I'm not sure about rotating though... you might just want to run a monster in the middle all the time. The corner plants are going to be super developed on two 'sides' and if you move them to the middle the weak sides will be weak still. Might just want to have a huge plant every 5 plants.
I've also heard 'rotating' plants grown vertically isn't good for things. I guess you get a lot of weak buds... you confuse the plant... or so I've heard. Never done it.
Keep up posted for sure.
Here's some pics of roots of the SG... and a freshly chopped CJ bud:
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Katatawnic
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I've been planning on building SCROG screens, but having followed this GJ, I'm thinking vertical SCROG now.
BTW, you've got a new YT subscriber. Looks like a cuddly
yummy teddy bear!
jigfresh
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I'm so glad to have you, friend. You said something amazing to me once on some thread somewhere. I don't remember where or what, but I'll never forget your name and avatar. I'm very happy to have you watching the end of things. I hope you have the time and patience to look through my whole journal... it's packed full of info, fun, and friends.
I think vert is the way to go if for no other reason than to utilize space better.
Glad you like the pic.
I'm about to make a how to grow like me video. Probably take a few hours to upload, maybe I should shoot them in a lower resolution. I just smoked... I think I'm rambling.
I think vert is the way to go if for no other reason than to utilize space better.
Glad you like the pic.
I'm about to make a how to grow like me video. Probably take a few hours to upload, maybe I should shoot them in a lower resolution. I just smoked... I think I'm rambling.
wonderblunder
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Beautiful looking buds Jig. Both of those strains look great, would love to give them a run. Looking forward to your next work.
Go Hi Res!
Go Hi Res!
Katatawnic
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Well, I do remember getting a PM from you like years ago after we'd posted in a "I met a fellow RIU member face-to-face" thread, and I thought I'd replied till I realized much later that I didn't. 
(OK, so a couple months ago! I think it's still somewhere in my inbox. LOL!) I live just down the hill from you, and lived in R.S. about six years ago. I never forgot you either, but didn't find your thread till fairly recently when someone referred to it in another thread. But I found you again, so you're stuck with me now!
after we'd posted in a "I met a fellow RIU member face-to-face" thread, and I thought I'd replied till I realized much later that I didn't. (OK, so a couple months ago! I think it's still somewhere in my inbox. LOL!) I live just down the hill from you, and lived in R.S. about six years ago. I never forgot you either, but didn't find your thread till fairly recently when someone referred to it in another thread. But I found you again, so you're stuck with me now!