just ordered a mushroom grow kit.

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guitarguy10

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Having grown them from scratc
OldMedUser said:
I want to get some 'shrooms myself to see if they will help with depression. Would prefer buying some first before going thru the bother of growing them tho. Would like to see if they actually help before investing the effort in growing. Can barely take care of my plants as it is. :(

I had found a place in Naniamo on Vancouver Island that sold them for a decent price but lost the bookmark.

May end up just buying a spore syringe and giving it a go. Have a pressure cooker, canner and a shitload of mason jars so shouldn't need to buy much more than the media for them to grow in and someone mentioned some kind of bran you can get at bulk food stores in another 'shroom thread.

We used to pick free 'shrooms out by the Vancouver airport back in the day then out in the Fraser Valley east of Mission on a dairy farm where it was like a carpet of 'shrooms as far as the eye could see. An old gf and I filled a 5gal pail in a couple hours. Dried in the oven then ground into powder a half gram would have you talking to god. lol Sold lots at $4/g.

Good luck with the harvest!

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You can buy them online (Canadian only) from mungus.ca

Price isn't fantastic ($93 for 1/2oz) but it's delivered to your door and you don't have to know any drug dealers on the street.
 
Voodu

Voodu

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I have a few more clusters of mushrooms growing up and almost ready to pick. I have not watered them for 2 days now, since I can see signs that I overwatered them. You can see the fuzzy socks on the base of the stem. I'm not too worried about it, since the last ones I picked had it too and they dried no problems. I still have not had the chance to try a good dose, once these ones are ready I should be able to go ahead with a good 3-4 gram dose.Mushrooms 1.jpg Mushrooms 2.jpg
 
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Voodu

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JPCyan said:
Id let them grow a bit more. Seriously, they are still youngins. Those will get 2-5 times bigger given the chance
Nice job!! Nice clusters.
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I have read a couple different sources online. that suggest to pick the mushrooms right before the veil breaks. They say this is because I don't want large quantities of spores to be released over the substrate. According to some people some potency is lost when the mushroom releases spores, and it also changes the pigment on the mushrooms growing below.
There is a lot of fables when it comes to mushrooms. When I was young people told me not to smoke mushrooms, because the smoke will make you go blind. I know nowadays that is pure bullshit, but people don't smoke mushrooms because it wont get you high.
What is your opinion about letting the mushrooms get to full maturity and potency? Also, do you know of any issues that might come about, from huge quantities of spore release on the pinning mushrooms below?
Here are a couple refrenes on what I have been reading.

https://mushplanet.com/basic-cultivation/harvest-and-storage/
https://www.magic-mushrooms-shop.com/blog/when-harvest-magic-mushrooms
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/2376337
 
HeatlessBBQ

HeatlessBBQ

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Ahhhhh... A walk down memory lane? :clap:

The new flushes and eccentricity of those looks a bit like a grandios port into extension.
 
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JPCyan

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You need to let a few go longer so you can see the life cycle. You wont go from tearing veils to massive spores on your substrate overnight. You will notice the caps curve then flatten, and gills darken as spores are produced,see the size in total increase, watch the process. If one or two are ahead of the rest and fully open, pick em. The others will continue to grow in that cluster.

The problem some have claimed is that heavy spores on the casing prohibits new pinning/primordia. Its also messy if you reuse your tray. They dont taste great either if you let it go to far.
I love to see the purple spores on the adjacent caps of the clusters. Its a beautiful mushroom and will show you its true colors. ;) I always pick just as sporulation begins. I like printing. But if it does happen, you just rinse it off with a heavy misting. no harm.:)

Potency is not lost after the veil tears or it releases spores. What happens is, right before the veil tears, the mushroom is at its peak of production in the active ingredients/potency. It slows production from that point. Some will argue stops production..But no loss in total. Maybe a little less percentage of actives per gram, but up to 5 times more weight makes up for that easily.

So then, test an unopend and opened more mature cap, same flush, same weight. See if you can actually tell a difference. It negligible IMO
I was looking for info on translocation of psilocybin/ psilocin with the mushroom during growth cycle.
 
Voodu

Voodu

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I'm pretty sure I am nearing the end of my first flush. I realize now that I picked the early crop about 2 days too early. I let the next batch go for longer and was rewarded with much larger mushrooms. I have just under 9 grams dried and probably a little more than that presently drying. Last night I made a small batch of tea with 2 grams of dried mushrooms I had a very pleasant time. A very nice body high with abstract and positive thinking. I had several good conversations with people I love as I watched the earth gently breath. I had some small visuals, where the shapes and patterns of plants and leaves in my yard looked like they wanted to turn into geometric patterns and begin twisting and turning, but stopped after twisting and moving just a little bit. In a day or two I'm going to double the dose and enjoy a more visual and psychedelic experience.
A question I have for you experienced mushroom growers is, when do I really know when my first flush is over? After a flush do the pins stop forming completely until I reapply water? I can see the formation of a few more little pin clusters. But I dont know if it's part of my next flush, since I overwatered during the first flush. The instructions tell me to apply 250 ml of distilled water to initiate the second flush. My worry is that I will saturate the whole thing with too much water and have more problems because of it. My thoughts are that I should just keep on as I have, moniter moisture levels and lightly spray the dome cover, and if they do completely stop growing, then apply the 250 mls. Anyone have any advice on this?

Mushrooms July 10.jpg Mushrooms July 10-2.jpg
 
HeatlessBBQ

HeatlessBBQ

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You know the first flush is over once You harvest every large fruit.

Like EVERYONE says in these threads... "Do not pick off an aborts unless desired..."
If You do, those could have turn3d into fresh larger fruits in a week or so.

Are You hydrating?
 
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Voodu

Voodu

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HeatlessBBQ said:
You know the first flush is over once You harvest every large fruit.

Do not pick off an aborts unless desired...
If You do, those could have turn3d into fresh larger fruits in a week or so.

Are You hydrating?
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The only thing I am doing at this point for hydration is lightly spraying the dome cover once a day with distilled water in a spray bottle.
 
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JPCyan

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I think you are already on your second flush. Maybe 3rd starting. Don't be too concerned with that. flushing patters can be odd, sometime almost continuous.
Watering will not initiate a flush btw. Its sole purpose is to re hydrate the substrate.
You should be misting your casing trying to keep a constant moisture level as well. Not heavily, unless its seems dry in uncolonized areas. And not heavy on any pins, primordia, mycelium.
Pick those 2 larger stragglers from your last photo, and just jeep doing what you are doing. Once you get them fruiting, you really dont have to initiate anything anymore. just keep the conditions right and let it do it's thing.

If you pick up the box daily, you can get an idea how much water has been lost. You'll get a feel for what it should weigh. Of course, its better to do from the start, but never too late.

You are doing fine and experience is the best teacher. If things come to a standstill then we can look at options for watering/ dunking, scratching, scraping, :D

And I agree with HeatlessBBQ. You dont have to pick a whole cluster or flush at once. If the larger ones are ready remove them, mist and usually the smaller ones will continue to grow. Aborts will be very small, stop growing, the caps usually get pointy and darken.


Note: I might have been a little off about the simplicity of your included instructions. They make it sound like you do things at set time frames, when this is not the case, You do these things (watering, misting, harvesting, casing, initiation of fruitset/ pinning) as dictated by conditions and need. There is no one size fits all as it seems to imply. But they give you the basics.. it works, but is it optimal? No.
 
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ANC

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2 flushes are good, can it and start fresh, you don't want to start growing mold spores, it will bring an end to you being able to grow shrooms in your house in no time.
 
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JPCyan

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ANC said:
2 flushes are good, can it and start fresh, you don't want to start growing mold spores, it will bring an end to you being able to grow shrooms in your house in no time.
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Unless there are obvious contams, there is no reason to do this. Not trying to be disrespectful, but that's just nonsense.
All mushroom cultivators deal with contamination. Many times over.
Many of my trays have produced over ten, full canopy flushes, before contams, or never contaminating.
 
Voodu

Voodu

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The kit has now entered it's 2nd flush (or third?). Just like the first flush, I have multiple new clusters of pins forming. I have left the patches of mushroom aborts intact from the first flush, to see if they do start growing again. I suppose I could pick and dry the patches of tiny mushrooms, but it seems kind of undesirable. I'd rather wait and see if I can get one or two larger mushrooms out of the clusters. I have been considering picking one patch of aborts and filling in the space with a fresh layer of sterile dirt, but I don't know if pins grow in the same area twice. Once I turn the lights back on tonight Ill snap a few pictures and post them.
One issue I have is small area's of green mold forming on the soil. According to the instructions, this is likely to happen, and that the way to delay the spoiling of the kit is to apply a layer of salt over the mold spots. So after I reapplied some distilled water evenly over the casing soil, I covered the small mold patches with a layer of table salt. I now only spray water to the dome cover once a day, and the salt does not appear to dilute and further distribute into the soil. The green mold has not spread from the initial and now salted areas. I know at this point it is a matter of time before I will have to consider the entire kit contaminated or "spent". I am confident my new flush will make it to harvest before the kit is done, but I have my doubts about a third or fourth flush being safe for consumption due to cross contamination. I am quite familiar with growing plants and vegetables of all kinds and I know how to identify spoiled and contaminated fruit. I wouldn't smoke moldy bud and I'm not about to drink green mold in my mushroom tea.
At this point I have achieved 18 grams of bone dry Cubensis mushrooms for about 165 Canadian dollars. That works out to just a little over 9 dollars a gram. I will not be selling these, but that puts into perspective the economics of this kit, vs dealers.
By these factors alone and my own experience with these mushrooms, dosing at 2 grams and again at 4 grams, I am very pleased with the results of this kit. I consider it to be a success on these terms alone, and I still have at least one more flush to grow and harvest.
 
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Voodu said:
The kit has now entered it's 2nd flush (or third?). Just like the first flush, I have multiple new clusters of pins forming. I have left the patches of mushroom aborts intact from the first flush, to see if they do start growing again. I suppose I could pick and dry the patches of tiny mushrooms, but it seems kind of undesirable. I'd rather wait and see if I can get one or two larger mushrooms out of the clusters. I have been considering picking one patch of aborts and filling in the space with a fresh layer of sterile dirt, but I don't know if pins grow in the same area twice. Once I turn the lights back on tonight Ill snap a few pictures and post them.
One issue I have is small area's of green mold forming on the soil. According to the instructions, this is likely to happen, and that the way to delay the spoiling of the kit is to apply a layer of salt over the mold spots. So after I reapplied some distilled water evenly over the casing soil, I covered the small mold patches with a layer of table salt. I now only spray water to the dome cover once a day, and the salt does not appear to dilute and further distribute into the soil. The green mold has not spread from the initial and now salted areas. I know at this point it is a matter of time before I will have to consider the entire kit contaminated or "spent". I am confident my new flush will make it to harvest before the kit is done, but I have my doubts about a third or fourth flush being safe for consumption due to cross contamination. I am quite familiar with growing plants and vegetables of all kinds and I know how to identify spoiled and contaminated fruit. I wouldn't smoke moldy bud and I'm not about to drink green mold in my mushroom tea.
At this point I have achieved 18 grams of bone dry Cubensis mushrooms for about 165 Canadian dollars. That works out to just a little over 9 dollars a gram. I will not be selling these, but that puts into perspective the economics of this kit, vs dealers.
By these factors alone and my own experience with these mushrooms, dosing at 2 grams and again at 4 grams, I am very pleased with the results of this kit. I consider it to be a success on these terms alone, and I still have at least one more flush to grow and harvest.
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Nice right up, glad things have been a success for you!
 
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