Ladies, have you ever felt like you might be in a potentially dangerous situation?

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Pada, you dont strike me as the kind of person that a woman would open up to about such a thing in real life. Just because you dont know doesnt mean it hasnt happened to someone you know. It's people that question the legitamacy that prevent it from being widely reported. Do you think that girl in Steubenville was the first and only victim or do you think maybe there were others that didnt come forward?
 
So, who's been raped and who hasn't?

I'll just be straight forward. I'm sure that's all he's after but I'll just drop the tact.

Martyr me.
 
Sexual assaults are a single part of the equation. Men should feel intimidated also. Did you know that statistically adult males are assaulted, either by other male or be females almost as frequently as females are assaulted?

There are a lot of other ways which cause intimidation. If I stand upright, without slouching, I intimidate the majority of people I pass; and it's fully unintentional! Then, there are the monsters out there, those without any moral compass, and lacking critical empathetic emotions, and sometimes guilt. The less intelligence and abused themselves tending towards violent outlets.

I didn't bother to read most of the thread. Random people's fears have little bearing on me, but, I wanted to point out that men are the victims of violent crimes more frequently, domestic violence is very close to even, Singling out the females for such a broad question is a bit biased.

No hate, just a (Probably duplicate) question about expounding on your ideas.
 
Padawanbater2 said:

So according to this logic, it is equally as wrong for me to piss in public as it is to rape someone. There are no variable levels of severity.

"Sexual assault", as defined by certain jurisdictions, is clearly not "wrong" in the same sense as rape is "wrong" unless you believe people should be thrown in jail for taking a leak in public. If you believe people should be thrown in jail for pissing in public, that's about as far as you and I will go when it comes to discussing what's right and wrong, because clearly, you are not fit to take part in the conversation.



I am suggesting that there is no difference between a police officer inquiring after the fact and an ordinary person inquiring after the fact. If you feel offended expressing your opinion, don't share it. If you feel offended answering the question, don't answer it. Again, it's a pretty simple concept to grasp.
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if you cant see the real world difference between coping a feel by force and peeing in front of someone who didnt want to see it, then i dont know what to say to you.........

now im not allowed to be apart of the convo . . . ok dear leader, i will throw my 2 cents in as i please . .you do not control the site, its content or its members . . . maybe it is you who should not ask or answer as you are not able to understand what is wrong about unwanted sexual domination

and ya your scenario is very different in premise and context . . .but go ahead compare apples to oranges and run with it, not my issue you dont know what is appropriate and not unless a law is made
 
Samwell Seed Well said:
if you cant see the real world difference between coping a feel by force and peeing in front of someone who didnt want to see it, then i dont know what to say to you.........

now im not allowed to be apart of the convo . . . ok dear leader, i will throw my 2 cents in as i please . .you do not control the site, its content or its members . . . maybe it is you who should not ask or answer as you are not able to understand what is wrong about unwanted sexual domination

and ya your scenario is very different in premise and context . . .but go ahead compare apples to oranges and run with it, not my issue you dont know what is appropriate and not unless a law is made
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Thank you for the edit, beat me to it!!!!
 
Samwell Seed Well said:
if you cant see the real world difference between coping a feel by force and peeing in front of someone who didnt want to see it, then i dont know what to say to you.........

now im not allowed to be apart of the convo . . . ok dear leader, i will throw my 2 cents in as i please . .you do not control the site, its content or its members . . . maybe it is you who should not ask or answer as you are not able to understand what is wrong about unwanted sexual domination

and ya your scenario is very different in premise and context . . .but go ahead compare apples to oranges and run with it, not my issue you dont know what is appropriate and not unless a law is made
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You seem to have completely misrepresented my position.

I said there are varying degrees of sexual assault as the law defines it, pissing in public and grabbing someone in a sexual way, both are defined as sexual assault, but one is arguably much worse than the other. You replied by saying it trivializes the sexual assault by defining varying levels. So which is it? Are you now trivializing it, too?

Your last statement is pretty naive, laws don't define what is right or wrong
 
Padawanbater2 said:
You seem to have completely misrepresented my position.

I said there are varying degrees of sexual assault as the law defines it, pissing in public and grabbing someone in a sexual way, both are defined as sexual assault, but one is arguably much worse than the other. You replied by saying it trivializes the sexual assault by defining varying levels. So which is it? Are you now trivializing it, too?

Your last statement is pretty naive, laws don't define what is right or wrong
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You are incorrect. In my state (and most) urinating in public is classified as DISORDERLY CONDUCT. Being a weenie wagger is classified as EXPOSURE OF SEXUAL ORGAN which is a 1st degree misdemeanor. Add a minor to the mix and its upgraded to a 3rd degree felony.

It is YOU who are naive.
 
schuylaar said:
You are incorrect. In my state (and most) urinating in public is classified as DISORDERLY CONDUCT. Being a weenie wagger is classified as EXPOSURE OF SEXUAL ORGAN which is a 1st degree misdemeanor. Add a minor to the mix and its upgraded to a 3rd degree felony.

It is YOU who are naive.
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The semantics defense, brilliant. :clap:

Enjoy the rest of the thread..
 
schuylaar said:
You are incorrect. In my state (and most) urinating in public is classified as DISORDERLY CONDUCT. Being a weenie wagger is classified as EXPOSURE OF SEXUAL ORGAN which is a 1st degree misdemeanor. Add a minor to the mix and its upgraded to a 3rd degree felony.

It is YOU who are naive.
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does this count as weenie wagger.***Pm sent~
 
Padawanbater2 said:
Come to think of it, I kind of actually was sexually assaulted once... I went to a party and right when I walked in one of my drunk coworkers grabbed my face and started making out with me, it was unexpected and I was completely surprised, there was no kind of consent given on my part at all. It's weird to put that into context from a males perspective, but flip the genders around and see what happens. If I were drunk at a party and my coworker came through the door and I grabbed her face and started kissing her without any warning, it would no doubt be seen as sexual assault and I'd probably even get my ass kicked by the rest of the people at the party if not taken to jail.

So that's an interesting double standard..
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I've also had this happen to me, where a random girl comes out of nowhere and starts kissing me. I was mostly flattered. I gotta say though, the male perspective - I never felt threatened or out of control. Female? I can see how they would feel differently given most females are not capable of fighting off an advance so easily, or rather, probably feel less in control of the situation.
 
Steve French said:
Check out this interesting table I stole from wikipedia.



[TABLE="class: wikitable"]
[TR]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"][/TH]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]Number[/TH]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]False reporting rate (%)[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]Theilade and Thomsen (1986)[/TH]
[TD]1 out of 56
4 out of 39[/TD]
[TD]1.5% (minimum)
10% (maximum)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]New York Rape Squad (1974)[/TH]
[TD]n/a[/TD]
[TD]2%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]Hursch and Selkin (1974)[/TH]
[TD]10 out of 545[/TD]
[TD]2%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]Kelly et al. (2005)[/TH]
[TD]67 out of 2,643[/TD]
[TD]3% ("possible" and "probable" false allegations)
22% (recorded by police as "no-crime")[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]Geis (1978)[/TH]
[TD]n/a[/TD]
[TD]3–31% (estimates given by police surgeons)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]Smith (1989)[/TH]
[TD]17 out of 447[/TD]
[TD]3.8%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]U.S. Department of Justice (1997)[/TH]
[TD]n/a[/TD]
[TD]8%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]Clark and Lewis (1977)[/TH]
[TD]12 out of 116[/TD]
[TD]10.3%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]Harris and Grace (1999)[/TH]
[TD]53 out of 483
123 out of 483[/TD]
[TD]10.9% ("false/malicious" claims)
25% (recorded by police as "no-crime")[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]Lea et al. (2003)[/TH]
[TD]42 out of 379[/TD]
[TD]11%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]HMCPSI/HMIC (2002)[/TH]
[TD]164 out of 1,379[/TD]
[TD]11.8%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]McCahill et al. (1979)[/TH]
[TD]218 out of 1,198[/TD]
[TD]18.2%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]Philadelphia police study (1968)[/TH]
[TD]74 out of 370[/TD]
[TD]20%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]Chambers and Millar (1983)[/TH]
[TD]44 out of 196[/TD]
[TD]22.4%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]Grace et al. (1992)[/TH]
[TD]80 out of 335[/TD]
[TD]24%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]Jordan (2004)[/TH]
[TD]68 out of 164
62 out of 164[/TD]
[TD]41% ("false" claims)
38% (viewed by police as "possibly true/possibly false")[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]Kanin (1994)[/TH]
[TD]45 out of 109[/TD]
[TD]41%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]Gregory and Lees (1996)[/TH]
[TD]49 out of 109[/TD]
[TD]45%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]Maclean (1979)[/TH]
[TD]16 out of 34[/TD]
[TD]47%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]Stewart (1981)[/TH]
[TD]16 out of 18[/TD]
[TD]90%[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Those are some startling numbers. They don't measure the lives ruined of the innocent falsely accused. Hard to get past an accusation like that even when you've been exonerated.
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I don't think this sh ould be ignored either. Some claim it's overblown, but it's a serious problem. I had a friend who was falsely accused (and was exonerated) but it stuck with him for more than a while as his name made the paper in a small town when the charges were initially brought.

It should be treated as a rather serious offense to deliberately do this.
 
Padawanbater2 said:
There are no variable levels of severity.
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Padawanbater2 said:
You seem to have completely misrepresented my position.

I said there are varying degrees of sexual assault as the law defines it, pissing in public and grabbing someone in a sexual way, both are defined as sexual assault, but one is arguably much worse than the other. You replied by saying it trivializes the sexual assault by defining varying levels. So which is it? Are you now trivializing it, too?

Your last statement is pretty naive, laws don't define what is right or wrong
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Padawanbater2 said:
You seem to have completely misrepresented my position.
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really im misrepresenting you . . . . . .

and you still dont know what is wrong with the term legitimate rape
 
Here's something for Pada to ponder:

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Padawanbater2 said:
Yes, you are, and you're doing it again by making this claim.

This thread isn't about rape, it's about sexual assault, and like I said, there is nothing wrong with clarification

Stop being pussies.
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You've proven yourself to be belligerent with a critical thinking disconnect.

You have now been downgraded from middle schooler status to one of a spoiled, little brat throwing a temper tantrum.
 
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