FootClan
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actually WE care what is used to grow it........Thats why we are on the forum if we didnt care we wouldnt even be discusing it...... We care about lights and nutes and strains and a whole bunch of other things aswell.....
Led Growing Is The Way Of The Future My Friends
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RawBudzski
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a 600w LED panel would not have the same Light / Lumen imprint as a 600w HID HPS.
meaning you could Still grow more plants under a 600w HPS than a 600w LED panel, now if Temp is that big of an issue..thats still playing into the role of LEDs are used when you have restrictions, HPS will still out-preform any legit grow op with adequate ventilation and temp control.
meaning you could Still grow more plants under a 600w HPS than a 600w LED panel, now if Temp is that big of an issue..thats still playing into the role of LEDs are used when you have restrictions, HPS will still out-preform any legit grow op with adequate ventilation and temp control.
EDIT: For Rawbudski:
I thought that a few months ago too,but the LED technology is definitely evolving alot faster than people's attitudes to it
These are the only two problems with investing in LED right now...1. The price is still inflated (but dropping rapidly) for people for whom HID is an option (ie. in cold climates) and 2. The panels are advancing so fast they're being outperformed only a couple of months after you buy it.
But from what Iv seen,current LED tech can dance (true) watt for watt with HID...so viable yet (still a tad) expensive I'd definitely call them now.
And I really mean no offense here,but if you said no to a true 600w LED that was offered for cheaper than a 600w HPS you'd be a straight idiot...no offense again,just it's the only word that would describe a person in that situation. I'm sorry but a 600w LED will match a 600w HPS in yield with only 25% of the heat and there is anecdotal evidence that there is an observable difference in quality with LED due to a wider colour spectrum (red and blue at once) and higher UV.
Not ragging on you man,but you need to get up to date on this tech before judging it,I'm sure someone here would kindly quote me from about 15 pages back before I actually looked into current LED grows...my attitude has changed immensely!
Hope this helps and happy growing bro
*BUDS
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no one said LEDs dont work, they just dont work very well. Come on lets not be ignorant, if leds are better then why do 99% of pro growers use HID? 
they must all be fuckin stupid
Kaptan kron ,you said it right there in your weak arguement, 2x3 table should produce around 20 oscars bro in sog and will with 1000w hps,but not with an Led as is just a jazzed up fluro. HID was the pros choice 30 years ago ,it still is now and will still be in another 30.
they must all be fuckin stupid Kaptan kron ,you said it right there in your weak arguement, 2x3 table should produce around 20 oscars bro in sog and will with 1000w hps,but not with an Led as is just a jazzed up fluro. HID was the pros choice 30 years ago ,it still is now and will still be in another 30.
We can sit here and argue all day that leds and hid don't compare, but the truth of the matter is that the technology of the leds are moving ahead and fastno one said LEDs dont work, they just dont work very well. Come on lets not be ignorant, if leds are better then why do 99% of pro growers use HID?
Kaptan kron ,you said it right there in your weak arguement, 2x3 table should produce around 20 oscars bro in sog and will with 1000w hps,but not with an Led as is just a jazzed up fluro. HID was the pros choice 30 years ago ,it still is now and will still be in another 30.
So to make the statement of 30 yrs from now is total bs and ignorant. We know hid are proven but you know what if we can find a way to provide the same product if not better and save on power consumption then what is the downf@ll? I'm personally using leds and I am new the world of growing but my first grow was a 100% success and the product was amazing. That being said I will be working on getting the numbers that ppl are estimating leds to produce. I am running several leds that actual w pull is 355w. I wont mention company bexause that means I work for them, but they have proved to pull a pnd off a light. I will finding that out in a few weeks and will report back my findings.
loved hps love led more
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do people even read the thread before they comment? ....... its the way of the future! and the all to soon future as you non believers will see. no one is saying they are better as of yet that i have read, people are saying that you can get the same or slightly lower yield usin g lights that use up to 50-70% less power and that emit very low amounts of heat. 30 years ago hps was new in the game ...sorta but most people still used the sun, then things changed and better advantages were found with growing inside using hps lighting......see how that works ..... its called progression, and dont think there were not people saying " these guys are nuts" back then as well.no one said LEDs dont work, they just dont work very well. Come on lets not be ignorant, if leds are better then why do 99% of pro growers use HID?
Kaptan kron ,you said it right there in your weak arguement, 2x3 table should produce around 20 oscars bro in sog and will with 1000w hps,but not with an Led as is just a jazzed up fluro. HID was the pros choice 30 years ago ,it still is now and will still be in another 30.
Harrekin
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No offense mate but you're the only one being ignorant here, "pro-growers" don't use LED because of the price. Nothing to do with performance,it's simply cost.no one said LEDs dont work, they just dont work very well. Come on lets not be ignorant, if leds are better then why do 99% of pro growers use HID?
Kaptan kron ,you said it right there in your weak arguement, 2x3 table should produce around 20 oscars bro in sog and will with 1000w hps,but not with an Led as is just a jazzed up fluro. HID was the pros choice 30 years ago ,it still is now and will still be in another 30.
Say otherwise and you're being ignorant. Irishboy pulled 19 zips off 600 ish watts of LED...what you gonna say now?
FootClan
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actually cost is not the only factor i know LED users want to believe that Industry leaders dont use LED because of cost but that not accurate actually..... Some "Pro" growers use them for veg and not for Flower so in that case its not about money its about what works best......
Harrekin
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Are you not gonna address the fact a grower on this site managed to get 18 ounces off 600w of LED,and most "Pro growers" (that's such an arrogant name btw) manage 19 average off a 1000w HPS AND they have to cool that beast.
We like to stick to actual numbers here instead of hear-say and you havnt presented any to back up what you say.
Sure in the past there were alot of LED fail grows,but "the times they are a changing" friend,the evidence is there for you to read.
We like to stick to actual numbers here instead of hear-say and you havnt presented any to back up what you say.
Sure in the past there were alot of LED fail grows,but "the times they are a changing" friend,the evidence is there for you to read.
loved hps love led more
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just type in irishboy 600w grow in google you'll see
FootClan
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It makes perfect sense that you doint know what people are talking about.....LOL
RawBudzski
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Honestly it would be faster to plant new clones in that Curly..
Kaptain Kron
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id like to know what strain your growin man because seriously.... lol your full of it 20 zips from a 2x3 table is just not feasible there is not enough root space, your talking about packing 20 plants onto that table ive done it it wasnt pretty man. You would need to pull a zip a plant in an SOG setup on a 2x3 for 20 plants to produce that and theres just not enough space. You would have plants overgrowing everywhere. I flower straight from clone no veg and if i do veg its for less than a week, reason being if i let them go longer even on my purple kush which grows straight the fuck up with one nug under HPS or LED as i've done it under both. HID is for massive spaces, LEDs are not designed for that yet even said it before. Fucking 20 zips off of a 2x3 table with a SOG lol what a joke. If you had said with a SCROG setup and a single plant it might MIGHT have been believeable because of the root mass on the plant you would have.
Regardless LED or HPS, ROOT MASS WILL HOLD YOU BACK IF YOU DONT HAVE ENOUGH!!!!! You cannot argue that, oh and FYI i've only run most of my strains once under LED and all of them have yeilded very impressively for s1 just starting hydro and just starting with these strains. My yields increased on every strain i've run 2 times by a few zips. Im pretty damn sure ill be able to do better next time as well because i know i messed up in a few areas again this time.
This is funny most of these guys remind me of my parents or cops or something trying to tell me what pot does to me or something lol. You remember those days? Your thinkin in your head this guys never even smoked in his life and hes telling me what it does to me this is a joke. Well thats what every single one of you haters is that talks shit about LED's that hasnt actually tried using one. Stop running your mouth about what you dont know because your just spreading hate. Were all here to learn and to grow and share that, and you just wanna sit here and tell me what im not capable of doing with what i paid for. I've used both i've grown with hps and the sun for years led is new to me i like it it works, i pull a gram and a half per watt its a rare hps user that can say that and to me that more than pays for it. If you dont like LEDs because you have to work harder training or because they cost more fine use and HPS theres nothing wrong with them they use a lot of power they make nice nug too though, hey heres an idea maybe we should all just use the sun instead of power oh but wait everyones situation is diffent and calls for something else for them to be able to produce their meds. Stop hating just go smoke a bowl or something
ps. if you really could produce 20 zips in an sog with a 1000w and 20 plants on a 2x3 table more power to you but you can take that lousy half a gram per watt and pay dearly for that power bill and all the cooling your going to need.
Have a nice baking hot saturday everyone.
Regardless LED or HPS, ROOT MASS WILL HOLD YOU BACK IF YOU DONT HAVE ENOUGH!!!!! You cannot argue that, oh and FYI i've only run most of my strains once under LED and all of them have yeilded very impressively for s1 just starting hydro and just starting with these strains. My yields increased on every strain i've run 2 times by a few zips. Im pretty damn sure ill be able to do better next time as well because i know i messed up in a few areas again this time.
This is funny most of these guys remind me of my parents or cops or something trying to tell me what pot does to me or something lol. You remember those days? Your thinkin in your head this guys never even smoked in his life and hes telling me what it does to me this is a joke. Well thats what every single one of you haters is that talks shit about LED's that hasnt actually tried using one. Stop running your mouth about what you dont know because your just spreading hate. Were all here to learn and to grow and share that, and you just wanna sit here and tell me what im not capable of doing with what i paid for. I've used both i've grown with hps and the sun for years led is new to me i like it it works, i pull a gram and a half per watt its a rare hps user that can say that and to me that more than pays for it. If you dont like LEDs because you have to work harder training or because they cost more fine use and HPS theres nothing wrong with them they use a lot of power they make nice nug too though, hey heres an idea maybe we should all just use the sun instead of power oh but wait everyones situation is diffent and calls for something else for them to be able to produce their meds. Stop hating just go smoke a bowl or something
ps. if you really could produce 20 zips in an sog with a 1000w and 20 plants on a 2x3 table more power to you but you can take that lousy half a gram per watt and pay dearly for that power bill and all the cooling your going to need.
Have a nice baking hot saturday everyone.
no one said LEDs dont work, they just dont work very well. Come on lets not be ignorant, if leds are better then why do 99% of pro growers use HID?
Kaptan kron ,you said it right there in your weak arguement, 2x3 table should produce around 20 oscars bro in sog and will with 1000w hps,but not with an Led as is just a jazzed up fluro. HID was the pros choice 30 years ago ,it still is now and will still be in another 30.
Kaptain Kron
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"pro" growers or whatever you want to call them i assume you mean LARGE scale cash cropping inside. Led's arent very feasible for them yet, i've seen a few grows with them and yes they work wonderfully the problem is is that they are worried about raids and getting shut down. When you invest on a large scale with LEDs for the investment to pay off it takes TIME, that is something that most large scale grows do not have they move a lot they got caught up a lot. So whats safer bet to get your money quicker in that situation HPS is.
So yea led's dont really work best i guess if thats how you want to say it for a large scale grow
So yea led's dont really work best i guess if thats how you want to say it for a large scale grow
cannawizard
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*..cough.. uumm just because you grow commercial size setups and make zillions moola.. that doesnt make you "pro"..
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cannawizard
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*can anyone point me in the right direction in-regards to (where i can get a decent LED setup, sites/links), wanna pop my l.e.d cherry
--sorry, too lazy to go thru 80+ pages..
--sorry, too lazy to go thru 80+ pages..
El Superbeasto
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What's your budget like? And what is the size of the area you'd like to grow in?
*can anyone point me in the right direction in-regards to (where i can get a decent LED setup, sites/links), wanna pop my l.e.d cherry
--sorry, too lazy to go thru 80+ pages..
FootClan
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lol if your makin zillions of dollars then id say that makes you a "PRO"..............fail
cannawizard
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*your response is priceless.. thnx buddy