LED Without LEDs -My First T5 Grow

falcon223

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Altar it looks like your nuts are working. I like the frosty stuff. Some of thoughs look real frossty. I will look at some of the seeds in your post. I need some new seeds.

I would be willing to send you some of my seeds. They are my Owen cross, of black queen, and cluster bomb. I have plenty.

I will try to post a pic latter.
 

AltarNation

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Yes, the nutes do work, they're just really easy to mis-dose and they get the medium all clogged with salts, which sucks. I haven't done a full flush once yet on these ladies, as I haven't been feeding liquid nutes long at all...they were transplanted right before they went into 12/12 (another fail on my part, they should have been given more time to root out) so they had some fresh soil to feed on for a while... I flushed my last batch like 4-5 times because I kept fucking up the feeds. It's mostly my fault, but I would rather work with something a little more forgiving!
 

MurshDawg

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It's been a while, PAR t5 gang! I have a little update to give you guys. I have three big girls and 6 more in a SOGgy e&f under 8 bulbs. I am using 2 UVL 454, 2 coralife 420 actinic, 2 red life bulbs, and 2 3000k spectralux. I am blooming white widow, cheese, lsd, and blue dream. The big girls are in week 2 and the sogs are week 1.
 

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AltarNation

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It's been a while, PAR t5 gang! I have a little update to give you guys. I have three big girls and 6 more in a SOGgy e&f under 8 bulbs. I am using 2 UVL 454, 2 coralife 420 actinic, 2 red life bulbs, and 2 3000k spectralux. I am blooming white widow, cheese, lsd, and blue dream. The big girls are in week 2 and the sogs are week 1.
Lookin good Mursh... :)
 

falcon223

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Looks good mursh.
Alter, I trans plant at several stages, and I just don't have any trouble. Just comm, down. Most of the time it because of a mistake.
You will go Farr. It will fall in to place soon. Nice pics, Thanks.
 

PetFlora

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Lookin good man... your week 2'ers look like my week 4'ers... :facepalm:
AN: Your plants looks fine to me. Height is not the determining factor. Note half MurshDogs plants are nothing more then stem/stalk. When growing indoors, I'll take a bushy bush over stretchy genetics any day. My pics from November- December are a Sat Dom female. Her stretchy nature drove me crazy. I am growing a cross now between her and an Indica Dom male. I plan to select shorter females for easier control. MurshDogs bulb combination seems right, so I am guessing his plants are Sat dom

AP Tip Bevel the top soil in will minimize overflow
 

AltarNation

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AN: Your plants looks fine to me. Height is not the determining factor. Note half MurshDogs plants are nothing more then stem/stalk. When growing indoors, I'll take a bushy bush over stretchy genetics any day. My pics from November- December are a Sat Dom female. Her stretchy nature drove me crazy. I am growing a cross now between her and an Indica Dom male. I plan to select shorter females for easier control. MurshDogs bulb combination seems right, so I am guessing his plants are Sat dom

AP Tip Bevel the top soil in will minimize overflow
Thanks for the pep talk.. Falcon too.

You're right in a sense... some of my buds got kind of stunted from being rough-housed into the scrog screen after they started... but you're right in that I am comparing scrogged plants to upright plants and it's not a fair comparison... we will see how it goes. I am trying to be optimistic for the most part. This is just where i tend to voice my concerns if I have them because I've come to rely on y'all as a reference group, so to speak. :)

And yeah, I agree on the air pot tip... I end up forming a little valley right near the stem so that the water always goes down instead of out at the top. :)
 

MurshDawg

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AN: Your plants looks fine to me. Height is not the determining factor. Note half MurshDogs plants are nothing more then stem/stalk. When growing indoors, I'll take a bushy bush over stretchy genetics any day. My pics from November- December are a Sat Dom female. Her stretchy nature drove me crazy. I am growing a cross now between her and an Indica Dom male. I plan to select shorter females for easier control. MurshDogs bulb combination seems right, so I am guessing his plants are Sat dom

AP Tip Bevel the top soil in will minimize overflow
Yea, white widow and lsd are my sat plants. lsd is a great example of sativa stretch. She would not stop stretching no matter what. The internode length would not decrease despite my topping her. My cheese plant is very bushy. I had to trim her into a rectangle in order to fit. Altar, Your set up seems to be better than mine; you have more IR and reds in your spectrum than I do and that sog will pay off in the end, IMO. It'll keep your canopy more even allowing you to give out more light. The flowers will be supported by the trellising, allowing them to get abnormally larger than what my LSTed plants can get
 

AltarNation

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I hope you're right and I get some big buds, hehe. We'll see what happens. Does a plant know to stop packing weight onto a branch when the branch can't hold anymore? Or does it just topple and break? haha.

Edit: Wewt, I broke 1k posts! Happy postday to me! lol.
 

jsamuel24

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Well, time for my week 2 update. Good to see that the site is back, wish we wouldnt have lost a months worth of posts though. Had one of my girls end up with spider mites, she is now outside where she will stay. Havent seen signs on my other girls however *knock on wood. They are just poping through the scrog now and I think looking pretty good for my 2nd grow ever. Let me know what you think.

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A.N. and Mursh, your plants look great. I hope mine look as well in this grow.
 

falcon223

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jsamuel, it looks like you might have a mag, deficiency. Or a iron deficiency.

Could be nut burn. But all looks pretty good.
 

kpmarine

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The plants do look like you're having a problem, the middle one especially. I don't know enough to say what problem though. Fix whatever is killing your leaves, and those will be some good looking plants.
 

jsamuel24

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jsamuel, it looks like you might have a mag, deficiency. Or a iron deficiency.

Could be nut burn. But all looks pretty good.
Allready on it. I believe it was a potassium defiency. Added some this morning but it will take a bit to get it to show. Also on the left plant there is some nute burn. First time using Fox Farms and I made it too strong. Again, workin on it. Thanks!
 

kpmarine

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Allready on it. I believe it was a potassium defiency. Added some this morning but it will take a bit to get it to show. Also on the left plant there is some nute burn. First time using Fox Farms and I made it too strong. Again, workin on it. Thanks!
Like^^^ Stupid, absent, "like" button....
 

PetFlora

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POSSIBLE Spider Mites Cure: Can't say for certain, cause I do not have any, but had been plagued with ants hanging out in my starter closet (hydro)- climbing all over the table top. This grow I added a 26w Repti-Glo IR bulb (runs throughout lights on) known to improve root development among other things. Well, it also seems to kill ants, cause a bunch were dead all over the table , and no more visitors. It would be cool if it also works on SMs. Someone let us know.

Jsam: Looks like your netting is too high, but maybe you raised it for photo purposes. On another thread, a SCROGGER uses individual nets per plant, His frames rest on the top lip of each pot. This provides for flexibility should something happen (like SMs) and you need to get a plant out.
 

PetFlora

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I hope you're right and I get some big buds, hehe. We'll see what happens. Does a plant know to stop packing weight onto a branch when the branch can't hold anymore? Or does it just topple and break? haha.

Edit: Wewt, I broke 1k posts! Happy postday to me! lol.
Great lighting cannot overcome genetics. If the plant genetics produces smallish buds, lights are not likely to magically produce bigger buds, but will assure getting the most the genetics has to offer
 

AltarNation

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Great lighting cannot overcome genetics. If the plant genetics produces smallish buds, lights are not likely to magically produce bigger buds, but will assure getting the most the genetics has to offer

Righto... I was more wondering about whether a plant (let's assume a plant with good genetics for big buds) will keep packing bud onto a given branch despite that specific branch's strength or "weight limit" being exceeded.... or does the plant slow down on bud development when a branch is getting weak? I was just wondering because Mursh said something about how the scrog will help support the weight and allow for bigger buds on each branch because the weight won't be on the branch. Maybe I misunderstood what he meant though.

Specifically, it was compared to LSTing here, I was just wondering what he meant about the buds being supported yielding more weight... maybe he just meant because they will stay closer to the light... here's the quote:

The flowers will be supported by the trellising, allowing them to get abnormally larger than what my LSTed plants can get
 
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