PicklesRus
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Buy a light from Tasty LED! It's made from the best parts already!
You can order a spare one and send it my way
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You can order a spare one and send it my way
littlejacob
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Bonjour
You said you want to diy cxb 3590!??
Why wait? You could have all the parts
home in a week and build each pannel in a few hours...then less!
If you buy something for few months and then cxb...you should buy directly some commercial panel...look in spain todogrowled is the cheapest with cxb...but if you can spend money like that why not!
And the light in parts...you have to wire everything and fix everything...the difference with diy is that you have the holes in the hs that's it! I look for the shipping cost for complete supersoil ingredients...same price than products...and I grow organic...i take public transportation...recycle... so I try to do my best for our planet...so I try to by as local as I can (yes cob come from china...what didn't come from China? )
Have a great day ★
emanuele carollo
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my poblem isnt that i cant build it, its that i dont have the time right now, im in the process of moving 4 states over and i would like to at least have a set of lights to grow with while i get everything organized. im afraid i can order 1000 in parts for the lights, and have it sit around like 2 months before i actually get around to building it. im just looking for something thats not terrible and not crazy expensive and currently built lol. i was thinking the mars2 1600s before this, i seen a video they were easy to replace/ simple setup, looking for something like that...and thanks for your input! im just trying to figure everything out before january
Why do you want LED? If you're saying you consider the 1600 a temporary solution, you could get a CMH setup which would serve as a backup to your future LED. That would be a long-term investment, not a throwaway (which is what Mars, et. al., are.). The CMH is reported to outgrow Mars-like lights.
littlejacob
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Bonjour
There is 4 or 5 cob company own by members here and compare to spare parts it is only 30% more expensive I guess...so why you don't do that?
I don't want to forget one but...Tasty led/Johnson grow light/gogreenled/pacific light concept/heavenbright they all have very good light with cxb and MeanWell so it is a question of price, taste and feelings!
Have a great day ★
There is 4 or 5 cob company own by members here and compare to spare parts it is only 30% more expensive I guess...so why you don't do that?
I don't want to forget one but...Tasty led/Johnson grow light/gogreenled/pacific light concept/heavenbright they all have very good light with cxb and MeanWell so it is a question of price, taste and feelings!
Have a great day ★
fatneal
Active Member
this thread is hilarious...the marijuana industry has way too much ego....mars leds work just fine...if you cant grow with mars lights its not the lights its grower error....obviously the lights you choose will depend on how or where you decide to grow but mars definitely works fine...best price for its level of production
skorchem
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Yeah which is fuck all, I got a mars 2 700w model and the light literally does come from mars its so shite cant grow colas fatter than my dick, buyers beware stick to DIY!
fatneal
Active Member
this whole thread reads like a smear campaign. there are so many people who have had success using their lights including me how is it that you guys failed? from ig to youtube to forums...everyone is lying except yall? LOL hilarious
Guys, I am/was quite happy with my 2x300W MarsHydros, GIVEN THE PRICE which was €80+shipping/pop. It's "ok" lights if someone is just starting out and is on a budget. I had some LEDs burnt out in the meantime (after operating 18/6 in hot Spanish weather outside for 6+ months) and got replacement LEDs sent by them no questions asked.
BUT...HERE IS THE POINT...we're comparing Apples/Peanuts or a VW bug with a Ferrarri here.
I am now also looking into CXB CREEs and I think it's silly to compare MarsHydro and DIY CREE Cobs.
The "problem" with the Chinese lights is more a general one, it's how they are marketed and labelled. For example, did you know there ARE actually no "5W chips" or "3W chips". It depends on drivers and how the lights are driven. Also, if you look for COB lights on alibaba etc. most of the time they don't even tell you WHAT type of lights/brand they use. They tell you "Cree, Bridgelux, Epistar"...basically you get the cat in the bag. (Likely you get Epistar COB lights or whatever).
And when you DIY you can of course choose the exact parts you want and you can build the light you want.
Also..don't bash the Chinese in general...aren't CREE cobs manufactured in China as well?
That being said, from the countless "cheap" Chinese manufacturers, MH is still one of the better ones, IMO.
BUT...HERE IS THE POINT...we're comparing Apples/Peanuts or a VW bug with a Ferrarri here.
I am now also looking into CXB CREEs and I think it's silly to compare MarsHydro and DIY CREE Cobs.
The "problem" with the Chinese lights is more a general one, it's how they are marketed and labelled. For example, did you know there ARE actually no "5W chips" or "3W chips". It depends on drivers and how the lights are driven. Also, if you look for COB lights on alibaba etc. most of the time they don't even tell you WHAT type of lights/brand they use. They tell you "Cree, Bridgelux, Epistar"...basically you get the cat in the bag. (Likely you get Epistar COB lights or whatever).
And when you DIY you can of course choose the exact parts you want and you can build the light you want.
Also..don't bash the Chinese in general...aren't CREE cobs manufactured in China as well?
That being said, from the countless "cheap" Chinese manufacturers, MH is still one of the better ones, IMO.
You are right, Mars LED do grow just fine. They are at best 25% efficient before loss though. So while you can say you have LED, do you have anything thats better than HPS? No, not at all. I would rather have HPS as its much cheaper price per watt than MarsHydro LED lights. That is why people shit on Mars. Its not that they cant grow good weed, its that they are not efficient and really overpriced for what they are.
A lot of us here are using COBS that have 40-60% efficiency ratings and while it does cost more, its well worth it as the plants are receiving more of the light and they are running cooler. Watt for watt, Mars LEDs are just as hot as HPS.
Does that mean Mars cant grow weed? Of course not, but you wont be using 600w of ACTUAL MarsLED wattage and be able to outrun a 1000w HPS like you can with 600w of COB lighting.
dandyrandy
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This look familiar? I've repaired a bunch before I moved to Veros. The aluminum frame is from my first cob build several years ago. Taking it apart to salvage for the next build.
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REALSTYLES
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I agree with you but.......When the light breaks they won't fix it bottom line. I had 1 Mars II 900 go out after 15 months and then a 1200 that went out after 15 months. All they did was send me diodes so I had to fix it myself. Mars is not worth the money.
From what I can tell, the people with great results are running *a lot* of watts. But, I agree with you that there's nothing wrong with airy buds at lower (advertised/spec'd) watts. For the money, it's not bad. (T5HO or CMH seem to be better value propositions, however).
How many watts/sq ft do you run? Any photos of the buds produced by that?
littlejacob
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Bonjour
I wish I could grow cola the size of mine...lol...even in hydro with a lots of nutes impossible...I need a second car to transport it...BUT I HATE WHEN IT COME BACK FROM PARTYING DRUNK AND SICK...!
Mars will grow weed nobody said it won't but we want everyone to know it is a 0.5gpw light and if you have problems with it and you will have some it will be a pita to have it solve and you will have to diy anyway cause if you get the parts you will have to replace it yourself...so why buy this instead of a 1.5gpw light...ok maybe 3 time more expensive...350$ 220w (real watt not 220 and you get 100w...no!) It will take the same time and electricity so why would I buy the mars?
CU
I wish I could grow cola the size of mine...lol...even in hydro with a lots of nutes impossible...I need a second car to transport it...BUT I HATE WHEN IT COME BACK FROM PARTYING DRUNK AND SICK...!
Mars will grow weed nobody said it won't but we want everyone to know it is a 0.5gpw light and if you have problems with it and you will have some it will be a pita to have it solve and you will have to diy anyway cause if you get the parts you will have to replace it yourself...so why buy this instead of a 1.5gpw light...ok maybe 3 time more expensive...350$ 220w (real watt not 220 and you get 100w...no!) It will take the same time and electricity so why would I buy the mars?
CU
heckler73
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Every colony needs its leper.
Getgrowingson
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I've grown with Mars as well and they do grow bud there's no doubt. But when I put 4 Mars" 700" which is a sham in its own right against a 1000w hps the hps slammed the Mars mother then killed her children. Yea they grow but their only alright until the leds burn out and you can't grow with them anymore. Mine have at least 4 out on every panel and now are used as dust collectors in my garage. There's a difference between it works and it works well and is worth using.
"Salesmen" are those folks who try to sell very expensive grow lights, rebranded or "Made in USA" WHICH USE THE SAME FRICKING so called "5W" LEDs driven at 2.2W and claim it's high quality lights.
Whether the grow light comes from China or the US and whether it's 20x more expensive you can smoke in a pipe. The rest is branding and semi-scammy marketing.
So consider who's the real sales-person The person who says MH is shiate or the person who sells essentially the same but 5x more expensive?
Whether the grow light comes from China or the US and whether it's 20x more expensive you can smoke in a pipe. The rest is branding and semi-scammy marketing.
So consider who's the real sales-person
The person who says MH is shiate or the person who sells essentially the same but 5x more expensive?
littlejacob
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blowincherrypie
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I'll tell you what.. I sniped a 40x40 for the low earlier this year and later found out it was made by mars hydro..
Wouldn't buy a lamp from them but I would pay 60 for that tent every single day of the week. Just as good as the jardin crap.
True story
Wouldn't buy a lamp from them but I would pay 60 for that tent every single day of the week. Just as good as the jardin crap.
True story
The problem seems to be how well an LED brand maintains control over its manufacturing and supply-chain process. As I understand it, the problem with the epi-whatever diodes is that Epistar has lost all control. It licensed the technology to mainland China where "epi" chips are cranked out to varying standards. Also, something about bulk dies being sold where they are encapsulated/packaged further downstream to even lower standards of quality.
That's not comparable to Cree (Osram, Phillips, et. al.) having a factory presence in China (where the manufacturing process is overseen.).
The way epi-whatever diodes are made, it's like a commodity with little oversight. That's why the Chinese government was reported to have mandated higher standards upon its LED industry in late 2014. There is *definitely* a problem which can't be dismissed as "well, Cree is made in China too."
I've been wondering if MarsHydro's changed product line (and backdoor closeout sale on eBay) might result from that government mandate a year ago. Maybe it's starting to reach the market? That would be nice.
Greengenes707
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Cree's blue chips are made in Durham, NC USA...and always will be(straight from crees mouth)then shipped to Malaysia China for the rest of the package assembly.
GroErr
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For those doubters on other techs and how they compare I ran those Top LED reflector panels (now branded as Mars) about 1 1/2 years ago to try them. While they flowered and produced decent quality the weight just wasn't there. I posted the thread with the details and have no ties to any manufacturer. This is a hobby for me, nothing else, it pays my costs and gives me free meds. I still use them for all my seeds/clones/vegging and from a reliability perspective I haven't had any issues at all, all panels are still working 100%, some as old as 3 years now. I like them for the purpose I use them but there's so much better tech for flowering, in that respect they just don't cut it. Yes, they will produce flowers but if I spend 3-4 months on a cycle, I want something to show for it.
Tejashidrow
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For me, buying 2 Mars hydros lamps was not a waste. Used properly they grow great!
I have 2 Mars hydros
When Mars hydro changed their name and no longer sell thier products firsthand on eBay.
Any Mars hydro light bought on eBay does not have a good warranty.
Buying from site and get a good warranty
I have dealt with thier customer service and got good service
My Mars hydro reflector is a great led lamp. Many great grows off it in my amoire cab.
All led manufactures use equivalent wattage for sales purpose.
It's up to the stoners due dillagence to check what the actual power usage is.
My Mars 300 I am now useing is a good lamp, but I think my reflector grows better IN MY GROW CAB!
The Mars lights are great value lamps for the very few of the stoners not rolling in cash.
Granted both my Mars-Hydros are older tech led panel but great working tech.
Just cuz it doesn't work for you does not mean it does not work.
Mars hydro is a great entry lamp
(But I think thier newest model is kinda hokey....come on Mars...step up to cob...)
I'm Not a noob
Been growing for years
Just new to this site to let peeps know Mars hydro lamps are not as bad as a few are screaming about.
Due to my space limitations I am now building a cob grow light with Cree cxa3070 cobs on a 12 inch heatsink USA .useing 50 watt drivers.
Just try to keep in mind to
Embrace your own path,
Not your neighbors.
Peace and grow
Tj Hidrow
I have 2 Mars hydros
When Mars hydro changed their name and no longer sell thier products firsthand on eBay.
Any Mars hydro light bought on eBay does not have a good warranty.
Buying from site and get a good warranty
I have dealt with thier customer service and got good service
My Mars hydro reflector is a great led lamp. Many great grows off it in my amoire cab.
All led manufactures use equivalent wattage for sales purpose.
It's up to the stoners due dillagence to check what the actual power usage is.
My Mars 300 I am now useing is a good lamp, but I think my reflector grows better IN MY GROW CAB!
The Mars lights are great value lamps for the very few of the stoners not rolling in cash.
Granted both my Mars-Hydros are older tech led panel but great working tech.
Just cuz it doesn't work for you does not mean it does not work.
Mars hydro is a great entry lamp
(But I think thier newest model is kinda hokey....come on Mars...step up to cob...)
I'm Not a noob
Been growing for years
Just new to this site to let peeps know Mars hydro lamps are not as bad as a few are screaming about.
Due to my space limitations I am now building a cob grow light with Cree cxa3070 cobs on a 12 inch heatsink USA .useing 50 watt drivers.
Just try to keep in mind to
Embrace your own path,
Not your neighbors.
Peace and grow
Tj Hidrow
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dandyrandy
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QUOTE="az2000, post: 12185473, member: 705789"]From what I can tell, the people with great results are running *a lot* of watts. But, I agree with you that there's nothing wrong with airy buds at lower (advertised/spec'd) watts. For the money, it's not bad. (T5HO or CMH seem to be better value propositions, however).
How many watts/sq ft do you run? Any photos of the buds produced by that?[/QUOTE]I ran 4 "300w" 180 give or take actual in the 11 sq ft I have now I was getting 12 zips in 6 5 gal buckets. I was happy. Then I had to repair and buy others in case of failure. After couple years I stumbled in here. Now no repairs, less heat, I couldn't close the area in the summer with brand x. Bad for stealth. Now with the cobs no heat issues in comparison. 600w gives me 800 g or better depending on strain. If I grew the one 3d pheno clone that smells like sweet baby poo I could see 1500g cranked to 800w on the veros.
How many watts/sq ft do you run? Any photos of the buds produced by that?[/QUOTE]I ran 4 "300w" 180 give or take actual in the 11 sq ft I have now I was getting 12 zips in 6 5 gal buckets. I was happy. Then I had to repair and buy others in case of failure. After couple years I stumbled in here. Now no repairs, less heat, I couldn't close the area in the summer with brand x. Bad for stealth. Now with the cobs no heat issues in comparison. 600w gives me 800 g or better depending on strain. If I grew the one 3d pheno clone that smells like sweet baby poo I could see 1500g cranked to 800w on the veros.
REALSTYLES
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What in the hell are you talking about? Great customer service and I did buy from the site and still got shitty support.
When I bought my 300W MH lights for €90 shipped each (from the UK) I did NOT expect great warranty, customer service etc. and I knew in case of a problem I'll replace LEDs myself. (This is the risk I was taking in exchange for getting a light as affordable as I could find).
Buying a cheap China light from ebay/ali etc. and expecting top service/warranty makes as much sense as those people who book flights on Ryanair, say from the UK to Spain for €39 and then are complaining they didn't get served steaks or didn't have a personal servant all the way during their flights. You get what you pay for. If you buy something expensive and warranty/service is important to you then you should NOT look on ebay/ali in the first place, just my $0.02
Buying a cheap China light from ebay/ali etc. and expecting top service/warranty makes as much sense as those people who book flights on Ryanair, say from the UK to Spain for €39 and then are complaining they didn't get served steaks or didn't have a personal servant all the way during their flights. You get what you pay for. If you buy something expensive and warranty/service is important to you then you should NOT look on ebay/ali in the first place, just my $0.02
T5HO or CMH are better entry lights (same money, more light, less heat, less electricity consumed).
Mars Hydro isn't a bad entry light. You don't lose a lot of money.
That's 65w/sq ft.
This is why the MarsHydro topic is so contentious. MarsHydro recommends 37w/sq ft. So, people buy a light with that expectation (that it performs like an LED) and are disappointed (even holding it against LED, when it wasn't LED's fault).
Then you have people running 70-90w/sq ft posting their results to a "wall of fame," insisting MarsHydro is a good light.
Which begs the question: what was the point of going LED if you're going to run the kind of power required for HID? This is why many of say it would be cheaper to buy T5HO for short spaces, or CMH for tall. You'd run 40w/sq ft too. With the same up-front cost. And, a lifetime investment in a fixture using commoditized replacement parts.
frica
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Because DIY cobs are better for roughly the same price.
Ofcourse Mars works, but so does CFL. High quality LEDs work better, cheaper and longer.
You can grow as much with 90 watts of CXB3590 goodness as you can with "300" 180 watts of Mars Hydro.
And with cobs (+Meanwell drivers) you don't have to worry they will fail you unlike Mars lights which will have a bunch of dead diodes within 2 years if not way sooner.
Cobs will easily last twice as long with twice the efficiency.