my 3 stages of flower

superstoner1 said:

i have run 2-1000w lights for a while and just gotmy third. but i am testing some parabolic reflectors befor i go to three.

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wait so you have 1000 on each rail system.... or you spread 2000 on all three flowering rails systems??
sorry if I am mis understanding...

are you using normal hps bulbs.. I recommend hortilux if you can gt em.. I have seen yield go up by 1/3-1/2 and more from just the switch...

Lol, watch us get 3-4p a harvest in a couple of months...

i love hortilux , but not in digital ballasts. ushio now. and after having a magnetic ballast flame out on me ill never have another. my total footprint for 3 side by side systems is 52"x96" which has been great for 2 1k's and i recently got rid of my air cooled reflectors, bought a light meter and parabolic reflectors that allow tons of adjustment for best spread. with the barabolics i can only run 2 over my area so im not sure what ill do with the third ballast i just got, maybe run a bare mh at times.

da man,

what are your room temps and humidity during veg and flower?

I don't have a c02 generator, is it a must?, which one do you recommend if i were to get one?

I have alot of competition here in Holland, so I must do well, this is why I ask many questions and try to improve evreything, no one does this system here.. They just like doing it the professional and traditional way. but we have some amazing commercial greenhouses for agriculture..the owner of the coffee shop were I work here thinks I am crazy with this setup and said i disrespect the industry with the hideous double veg box!. But if I can do in a small room what can be done in a full greenhouse..this will change the industry here. If I am successful, I will be ready to run my own place because I have a license already..I also am trying to help make Sampsons oil to be researched by a private lab that we know, but I need my own shop and have to fund the research and they said they would do it. This way we can have factual evidence published on the web by a reputable med lab backed by a known an published grow environment.

Also I donate all the un used hemp to a local company that makes t shirts from them and send them to dis advantages children all over the world.. Every morning I put free tea and dutch pastries for everyone who needs to eat...This is the best way to start the day.

So SB/SS system... lets do it!

so yes, thank you again.

veg room stays 75-78f and 60-70rh. i use t5s only and cloner sits off to side . flower room is 82f lights on(at plant level), 68f off. humidity is 50-60%. i use the minigen co2 generator that runs with or without water cooling and turns on at 1050 and off at 1100ppm. i do not use the water cooling because the thing really doesnt put out that much heat, and also runs very little. my room is so sealed that when lights go off co2 will be around 1000ppm and 12hrs later at lights on it will be 850-900 since plants dont use it at night. i have all equiptment in room, do not air cool my lights, and can easily keep temp at 70 with lights on if i wanted. mini split ac is a growers dream.

superstoner1 said:

veg room stays 75-78f and 60-70rh. i use t5s only and cloner sits off to side . flower room is 82f lights on(at plant level), 68f off. humidity is 50-60%. i use the minigen co2 generator that runs with or without water cooling and turns on at 1050 and off at 1100ppm. i do not use the water cooling because the thing really doesnt put out that much heat, and also runs very little. my room is so sealed that when lights go off co2 will be around 1000ppm and 12hrs later at lights on it will be 850-900 since plants dont use it at night. i have all equiptment in room, do not air cool my lights, and can easily keep temp at 70 with lights on if i wanted. mini split ac is a growers dream.

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hm... thos are pretty high veh and flower temps..

How does you water temp suffer from this...

I usually keep veg at 69-72F and the water stay the same... no need for chiller.. this is with dwc offcourse.. Will see how it pans out in the sb/ss system.

i am not sure if I want to invest in a co2 just yet.. Seems like much needs to be done to have it running effectively without messing with temps.

keep enviroment temps that low will not allow full plant potential. roots need 10-14 degree difference from top of plant. my res's dont suffer, they stay perfect and plants dont suffer. use a chiller or ice bottles.

I threw in a 02 bubbler to the flowering res. Didn't see you had that?
I will up the temp to 74f, I got dwc running now for the cuttlings..

lets go!

no airpump or stone needed in the rail system, and the botanicare nutes dont like it.

superstoner1 said:

no airpump or stone needed in the rail system, and the botanicare nutes dont like it.

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heh.. I was really oging to do it. You saved me the hassle..

So does botanicare not like DWC then?

it seams to work ok when i do my dwc i just take from one of my flower res's and i do have stone in the dwc. but guys at botan said not to in aero.

SS,

letting you know after research.

the minigen and hydroGEN pro are just hot water heaters converted and named something else. the adjustable flame is the give away. thats the temp control knob on the heater. Its water controlled cause thats how a hot water heater works.

You can find then for 100 bucks

http://www.amazon.com/EZ-101-Tankless-Water-Heater/dp/B003327HDK/ref=sr_1_69?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1339824789&sr=1-69&keywords=hot+water+heater

for future reference if you need another one

here is the hydrogen pro which is the upgraded model of the minigen for 120 bucks

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the flame is non adjustable on the minigen ands is a very small flame dont mess around with tbks stuff, co2 is good for plants, co will kill you.

superstoner1 said:

the flame is non adjustable on the minigen ands is a very small flame dont mess around with tbks stuff, co2 is good for plants, co will kill you.

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Sounds good, i won't be cheap.. I'll just go ahead and go with the mini gen..

Any updates on the seedling cloner? I really want to get this ball rolling.

hey SS nice thread and pics. how mays sites per flowering system are you running there? it looks like 2 rails then a single rail or am i wrong. thanks for the info i will be setting one of these up in the next few weeks

in those pics each system is 3 rails with 12 sites total. it uses a pvc drain to connect all 3 and a manifold to feed the spray rails.

are you running perp like stinbud method? im building one of these this week i have to get ez clone sprayers from the US this will take a while :-/ so be prowling all these threads meanwhile

how long do you veg for in your system? i usualy grow bigger plants is that possible in these systems?

sqydro said:

are you running perp like stinbud method? im building one of these this week i have to get ez clone sprayers from the US this will take a while :-/ so be prowling all these threads meanwhile

how long do you veg for in your system? i usualy grow bigger plants is that possible in these systems?

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the great thing about this system is you can do whatever suits you.

yes you can veg longer( but figure out a way where you can still harvest every three weeks)

And with bigger plants its better to have more space between sites and some more space for the roots although its not nessecary.
My next system I am doing 6" gullies, and 12 inches per site, and hold even more plants with that much spacing. In addition, a bigger rez will keep the nute solution more stable and the water temps lower, and with a 1 minute on 5 minute off pump, you wont need a chiller.



Its all about having the perfect combo, light, space, nutes, environment. And take your time to set it up right. most any strain will work..

Lets go!

res temps are still an issue with 1/5. you will need ice bottles or a chiller to make it easier. i run mine 80sec on 8min off and it would hit 72-74 without chiller.

superstoner1 said:

res temps are still an issue with 1/5. you will need ice bottles or a chiller to make it easier. i run mine 80sec on 8min off and it would hit 72-74 without chiller.

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I was testing the new setup and was getting 72f.

is running lower than that necessary.. no problems thus far..

I need to see how you set up your chiller. am gonna look for one now..