My First Grow! DIY DWC & Grow Area, SNOW WHITE FEM FROM SEED!

looks like sprinkles of fine coco

Purp temps stay in the 70s and I am ashamed that you think I am using wrong lighting haha calls all of thmbudddy. You saying the rockwool for my sprouts is too high? I will put another teaspoon of grow and micro today and get it up a by higher

Yes sir, I'm fairly new to the community, but I learn fast, if you want, take a look at my girls, they are o only 7 days old, but for starters your Rock Wool should not be poking out like that, Bury it at least 1-2" underneath your Hydroton. and your lighting does not seem to be up to par as far as I can see. Try investing in an HPS or MH lamp... Afterall the box you built, with the exaust and reflectors is very nice, you might as well do it the right way if your going to do it... The issue is that the lamps will run you a little bit of $$.

In any case I'm not sure if your situation is salvageable, but perhaps someone with more knowledge can help out. If its 18 days already and its still in that tiny cup, that may be a problem too. The plant will only get as big as you let the roots get. You should have started in JUST Rockwool, then after a few days when you see roots coming out of the bottom, transplant it into a BIGGER medium (weather that be larger RW Insert or Hydroton) but once you transplant and you do it correctly you should see an explosion of vegitative growth, becuase the roots are blowing up. Perhaps someone else can shed some light on this situation... No pun intended.

Dapps420 said:

Perhaps someone else can shed some light on this situation... No pun intended.

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Right on Dapps.

I would change things about your setup. If you are going to full flower and plan on growing a big plant or big plants, I would not use a 5 gal for all of them.

I would switch to several smaller 3-4gal square buckets to fit several and lollipop them to fill out the area of the box in colas.

Lollipoping is kind of like growing a big plant but you remove any growth that won't get light and the plants look like dumdums

If you are staying with that bucket I would grow a mom and then SOG the bucket. SOG would be growing single cola plants. so they don't crowd each other

I am not sure how tall you can get and still stay in the box. but get an HPS 250+watt. Or check out the dual tube that has both hps and mh in one reflector.

If you are for whatever reason trying to avoid an HID lighting system. then you could try to make your own phototron. mount some 12" fluorescents in the corners of the box, brighten it up with minimal heat. Then you could also have different spectrums in opposing corners or duel spectrum in every corner.

And they can do tap water for a couple weeks before they need nutes. When you start them on liquid nutes designed for hydro, step them up slowly, to avoid nute burn.

There is a less loss in yield from slightly under feeding a plant then there is from burning it with nutes, which it is recommended that you flush a plant out when it gets a bad burn. Most of my plants get burnt tips on their leaves but its not enough to slow them down.

Also rock wool at the bottom and hydroton on top to try to prevent algae growth on the rock wool. I am moving away from rock wool personally to no rooting medium and hydroton only. Rock wool changes your ph, they say it doesn't if you do the whole soaking thing, but I still think it does. How ever if your tap water has a low ph it stands to reason that maybe you want to have ph changing rock wool.

Not sure if any of my post will help, I just felt like typing.

Man, that was a lot of reading.

You can go here and post an invite to the BubbleHeads to come see your grow:
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your seeds and mine popped at the same time and we have the same kind of grow and you will learn a lot about pH, CFLs and things like you need some covers on your cups, the cubes are too high and you can put those CFLS two inches near..

Wow woo wee wow.

Okay, from the top I suppose.

Big Purp, I am almost insulted that would ever think that I was growing with incandescent bulbs. It's all CFL, all of it. Proper spectrums too. Also, I stated above that the fine red powder is chilli powder. I was told that it was a good deterent for ants from plants and I saw an ant near my grow area so I took that precaution.


Why does everyone think that this grow is doomed? I thought it was a little slow, but not completely lost! What is so terrible about this?

Also, I am almost 1k deep in this project, I CAN NOT spend more money. I know taht I could have saved money by buying the HID system etc in the first place, but I didn't expect things to get as serious as they now have.

I am sticking with CFLS.

Also, the 5 gallon bucket is for a mother and I am going to be doing SOG in the tub from her, that was the plan and still is. Those little sprouts are just to mess around with a learn a bit more.


Roseman, I have read damn near every thread that you have made on this site and have used you for a reference numerous times.


What am I doing that is so wrong? I feel liek you are all so shocked and angry at me and I'm not quite sure why.


I did a lot of research, and put in a lot of effort, and a shit load of money. While the spending may fool you, I am still a noob! This is my first grow. I do appreciate and want EVERYONE'S input, but I would like it to be constructive and not telling me to overhaul, cut my losses, and start again, that is not helpful to me.

That being said
Mesiter, you have some great ideas up there, but like I said before, I'm not sure why what I am doing is so wrong?


I'm not sure what I am expecting from everyone, but I for the first time on this forum, feel kind of uncomfortable and I don't want that to happen seeing as this is my #2 resource for information next to Jorge Cervantes indoor bible.


Any and all future comments and such are still appreciated and I hope to hear more from you all soon.



Now, I am going to take the advice of someone above (I think purp) and crank the ppm in the 5 gallon tank to 500. Also, I am going to clean out some of the hydro, and get the rockwool deeper into the cup on my mother and the little seedlings.

The plant looks good though guys. It is a little droppy, but I'm assuming it just needs more nutes, I feel like if I get it up to 500ppm I can get it going again, because it looks upset, not dead hah.

Bro, you have a grow to be very proud of, you asked for advice and suggestions, so I offered some.

Well, I just checked on her to find that I have made the biggest noob mistake that I have ever seen. The air line connection came undone inside the tank and I was running with no air. I have no idea how this happened, or when it happened. The roots have a few small black specs on them, but nothing intense. I am going to do a full change of water and nutes.

Is there anything else that I should try adn do to save her? I will take pictures once my camera is done charging.

NO NO NO Roseman I did not mean that to be aimed aggressively at anyone and I apologize if you took it that way. Sorry, kinda cranky. Had early boring classes and my blackberry kept telling me people were commenting my thread, so I checked it and was a little overwhelmed.


I apologize to anyone else who felt like I was being rude or mean.


That aside, can I save my babyyyyy!?! haha

Ugh, I am so jumbled this morning. I also meant to give this new information.


I took out the rockwool of the seedlings and lowered it down to only one small layer of hydroton at the bottom and then surrounded and covered it and tossed in the feeder tube.

On the mother, I kept the roots safe, while dumping out almost all of the hydroton, leaving a small bit at the bottom and then surrounded and covered it as you all had said.


I am curious how long this no O2 deal has been going on. It sucks because besides that I think I was doing everything else right =/

Don't take suggestions as harsh criticisms. You are doing great. Do worry about every little thing. The reason its called weed, is because technically it is one, or was one at least. They are hard to kill but also hard to get 3grams a watt. That being said.

The air hose thing is more of an issue when you have a large root ball submerged in nutrient solution with no air.

You seem to have a great plan. mom in a bucket and clones SOG in the 5gal. You do have room for a veg for mom and a separate flower for other bucket, right? Or are you gonna build another box?

The only other suggestion really was just trying to suggest cheap solution to more lumens. I made my floro light for $20 bulbs installed. I stand it on end and side light with them. heat is a minimal increase.

Keep up the good work.

It will revive, I bet ya!

Yo man stop panacking, everything going well, you have people insterested in your thread and i was the same bought the wrong things from the start and got seriously into, you are paying for the knowledge you are gaining.

Meister I am extremely interested in the lighting situation that you are talking about. Can you link some pics? Or just give a better description, I don't quite get what you are talking about. Also, you said "SOG in the 5gallon bucket" is that a better idea? I was going to be doing my SOG in one of my 18 or 21 gallon totes. The "Mother Box" as I'll call it is light proof, but obviously does not need to be. I can't exactly come up with exactly how I plan on flowering to be honest. I bought a really nice light timer and then lost the manual, so I have no fucking idea how to use it. I will be getting a simple one from the store I guess soon. I have a lot of black-out tarp at my disposal though. Since the mother box is light proof, If I just light proof the door of the closet and the seems with that tarp as kind of a buffer I think that it will be pitch black. I will obviously need to start messing around and setting that up very soon.

Roseman, thanks for the optimism brother. I just cranked out a bunch of important work in the past 20 minutes. I took the mother out, adjusted the rockwool like I stated before, sprayed the roots and netpot with Ph'd water to get the bits of debris and such off. I have no idea what they are from. Then I made a new mixture of water and nutes, sitting at about 300ppm. I am still running 1/4 strength nutes, I know this can't be right. Should I double up to 1/2 strength? Or should I do it up and go for the big dose? I think that keeping the low nutes in there for today may be good to minimize changes and stress that the plant has been going through having no O2 etc. Am I correct in thinking this?

Craig, I know man, I know. It sucks, haha. I actually have pretty serious anxiety that I choose to not be medicated for because I don't want to become a zombie of sorts when it mixes with my adderall etc etc etc

haha.

I am all about the learning experience man. Also, I love building shit, so I can't imagine staying with CFLs for life, but for this small rental house situation at college, it's perfect for me. I can't wait to move into my own place and take a master closet or a spare bedroom and do some real work, but I have 2 more years to go!

Shit, I forgot to mention that I also changed up the lighting on the little sprouts. The set-up was terrible to be honest. I now have my daylight bulbs lining right above them with one small 2600k bulb in the back. Hopefully my real 6500k bulbs will be here soon. I feel like vegging this long on those damn 3500k "daylight" bulbs that were sold to me as 6500k could be a huge reason for the slow growth too. I have 6 65W 6500k cfls on the way, then I can get serious =]

Last night around 12 she was droopy and getting really yellow. I figured it was almost the end, so I jacked up her nutes. She is now at half strength nutes, not sure of the ppm. Also, Roseman, you are correct, seedling growth under bubbleponics is mind-blowing. Those seedlings are HUGE. The first set of leaves are bigger than any of my snow whits were and they already have second leaves. I chucked in some 1/4 strength nutes for them last night too.

Woke up to find her still drooping, but much much less yellow! This is a great sign, hopefully the recovery continues. Also, I am seeing some new growth at the top and the bottom of the plant. Very thick green leaves are starting to sprout up.


and off to class....

This is kind of what I had in mind for a cheap phototron.

Basic frame of a box with dual 4' floros on each corner. Like I said you could do both spectrums cool and warm bulbs.

I made one using just two corners. It works well to support the growth while the tops still get the bulk of the light.

My old roommate left me some black lights that are a foot long I think. I have two of them. I could just get proper flouro for those right? I definitely like the idea of going greater lengths with the mother because it will pay off more in the end with my clones.

Thanks for the tip Mister. I have a bunch of shit to do today, hopefully I can get to it soon though.

MeisterYo said:

This is kind of what I had in mind for a cheap phototron.

Basic frame of a box with dual 4' floros on each corner. Like I said you could do both spectrums cool and warm bulbs.

I made one using just two corners. It works well to support the growth while the tops still get the bulk of the light.

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Cool lil box bro.Theyll bounce back

Day 20


Well I just checked on her and I think that the work I did late last night was clutch and is going to pay off. ph is good, ppm is around 465 right now, and everything looks....better? haha

Pictures uploading now!

Oh, and those seedlings are blowing my mind, it is almost foolish to not use bubbleponics for seedlings haha.