New Lightbulb Law

Doesn't appear it will affect us, but then again, I'm no legal analyst.

Does not appear to effect CFL's, am I reading this correctly?

Still, just another Big Brother decision that will end up costing us more down the line.

Does that mean all incandescent bulbs are being banned?

No. The law applies only to general-service bulbs, the pear-shaped, screw-in bulbs with a medium base that fit most standard lamps and lighting fixtures. What’s more, the law affects only 40-, 60-, 75- and 100-watt general-service bulbs.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/05/14/2865523/shedding-light-new-bulb-law-goes.html#ixzz1NcI7sJy4

You would think with KC's crime problem they would worry more about that then light bulbs... hmm

sync0s said:

You would think with KC's crime problem they would worry more about that then light bulbs... hmm

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Well, that was just one of the articles I read. That one just broke it down easy. There are stories all over the nation about it.

I have been buying all the 100 watt bulbs and think I will make good money off of them in a few years. The ones their making us use have mercury or some kind of poison in them your supposed to air the room out when one breaks.

Learning2Hydro said:

Still, just another Big Brother decision that will end up costing us more down the line.

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people like you are the reason laws like this are necessary.

It's just a lightbulb, not a government conspiracy. You aren't fighting the man by refusing to use energy efficient lightbulbs, you're just being a moron.

It'll be ok, I promise. By saving money on electricity, that doesn't mean Karl Marx is taking over America.

Dan Kone said:

people like you are the reason laws like this are necessary.

It's just a lightbulb, not a government conspiracy. You aren't fighting the man by refusing to use energy efficient lightbulbs, you're just being a moron.

It'll be ok, I promise. By saving money on electricity, that doesn't mean Karl Marx is taking over America.

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Of course it does, In a free society the govt doesn't tell you what your choices are, you make them for yourself.

So making companies sell more effecient light bulbs and reducing energy consumption is a bad thing? then again im sure big business will gain a monopoly of some sort and charge outrageous prices for them.......but really now, who's the bad guy there? the people trying to save this country energy useage or those trying to rape it for all its worth by stopping any innovation so that we have to make laws like this?

As someone experienced in the lightbulb industry, it's a good change overall.

The amount of mercury is very very very tiny. It used to be there was a lot more but they worked it out. Besides, CFLs are transitory... by 2015-17 LEDs will be much cheaper (around $10 a peice, down from as much as $50 a bulb) and no one will use CFLs anymore. Without government intervention the only options we'd have would have been HID, incandescent and Halogen; Now we also have CFLs and LEDs.

darkdestruction420 said:

So making companies sell more effecient light bulbs and reducing energy consumption is a bad thing? then again im sure big business will gain a monopoly of some sort and charge outrageous prices for them.......but really now, who's the bad guy there? the people trying to save this country energy useage or those trying to rape it for all its worth by stopping any innovation so that we have to make laws like this?

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The point is that they shouldn't MAKE companies sell more efficient light bulbs. if their more efficient and people want them for saving electricity then they will buy them, the market should decide, if their better wouldn't you buy one? why do they have to force it? And what will it really save? and what is the real goal? should they tell you how often you can shower or wash clothes? or how much toilet paper you can use to wipe your ass? get ready because those rules will be coming soon.

beardo said:

Of course it does, In a free society the govt doesn't tell you what your choices are, you make them for yourself.

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right, because wasting energy is an essential freedom.

pick your battles. we are talking about lightbulbs here

Dan Kone said:

people like you are the reason laws like this are necessary.

It's just a lightbulb, not a government conspiracy. You aren't fighting the man by refusing to use energy efficient lightbulbs, you're just being a moron.

It'll be ok, I promise. By saving money on electricity, that doesn't mean Karl Marx is taking over America.

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unemployed secular marxists!

Dan Kone said:

right, because wasting energy is an essential freedom.

pick your battles. we are talking about lightbulbs here

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This is just a battle in the war, how is wasting energy a problem to the government or to me and to you? and where is the proof these bulbs save energy, including energy used in making them advertising them and regulating and requiring their use and then disposing of them properly? I bet they actually use more energy and create more pollution.

beardo said:

The point is that they shouldn't MAKE companies sell more efficient light bulbs. if their more efficient and people want them for saving electricity then they will buy them, the market should decide, if their better wouldn't you buy one? why do they have to force it? And what will it really save? and what is the real goal? should they tell you how often you can shower or wash clothes? or how much toilet paper you can use to wipe your ass? get ready because those rules will be coming soon.

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let's all use inefficient light bulbs to increase our dependence on foreign oil and dirty coal!

also, i look forward to the day the government tells me when to shit, how long it can take, and how many squares of toilet paper i can use afterward. i've been kind of irregular lately. i think i've been eating too much cheese.

Uncle Buck said:

Do you have a plunger?



While I'm thinking ofthese things.
For the morning.



My plumbing is bad.
Ofcourse, yours is good.



I would imagine.
Don't worry about it.



Everything will be fii ne.
I've been bound up lately.



It's driving me crazy. I've been eating
a lot ofcheese for some reason.



I got a craving for the stuff.
Do you think maybe that's an allergy?



Yeah.



I don't know, I can't get enough cheese.
I feel like a big mouse.



- I don't know.
- Oh, well.

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beardo said:

The point is that they shouldn't MAKE companies sell more efficient light bulbs. if their more efficient and people want them for saving electricity then they will buy them, the market should decide, if their better wouldn't you buy one? why do they have to force it? And what will it really save? and what is the real goal? should they tell you how often you can shower or wash clothes? or how much toilet paper you can use to wipe your ass? get ready because those rules will be coming soon.

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Seriously, the lightbulb industry is an example where customers generally fail to make good choices because they have no idea what they're buying. Government intervention in this case has increased choices - despite the fact that incandescents are essentially leaving the market, they've already made several different bulbs to replace them (and they're higher quality!). I mean, I've had the chance to fuck with some of these new LEDs and what not and they're pretty sweet... They would've never existed without government intervention.

UncleBuck said:

let's all use inefficient light bulbs to increase our dependence on foreign oil and dirty coal!

also, i look forward to the day the government tells me when to shit, how long it can take, and how many squares of toilet paper i can use afterward. i've been kind of irregular lately. i think i've been eating too much cheese.

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Why does no one talk about reducing food exports and food aid to other countries as a way to reduce our energy consumption or dependance on forigen oil? how much fuel do we use to produce a acre of corn or a pound of beef or pork?

beardo said:

Why does no one talk about reducing food exports and food aid to other countries as a way to reduce our energy consumption or dependance on forigen oil? how much fuel do we use to produce a acre of corn or a pound of beef or pork?

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there is enough food on this planet to feed everyone. but americans love their burgers, so we feed our cattle instead, while others starve to death.

Maynard James Keenan said:

don't these talking monkeys know that eden has enough to go around?

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taken from the song 'right in two'

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv59PJ30WeM
posted 3 yrs ago. Very enlightening info the representative from Tx offers, and while i understand and support the need to reduce engery created by fossile fuel, and more specifically, the use of crude oil specifically for electrical engergy production, i can not get behind a government making it illegal to eliminates one personal choices that do NOT harm other humans. and dont give me the whole pathetic spiel about how the EPA protects us and we need certain amounts of regulation, as its a mute point ofcourse we do.

infact, when i picked up my HPS Grow lighting, i did change every incadencesant light bulb out for the CFL equivalents. which saved enough money on lighting cost, it infact not only pays for the cost of the new 400w hps grow light, but also reduced cost enough to actually pay for the grow lighting and system over time, if i stick to one light.
i am currently looking to make the off grid push. by combining 1 to 3 small wind genorators, and some solar, with an out door wood/multi burner, i should not only be able to go off grid, but also be able to feed back, returning cost of investion faster, thus sooner to being totally off grid, or green or self reliant is i prefer to think of it.

what we dont need, and cant not and should not support, is the contineuous attack by those trying to pass a moral issue into a legal law binding issue. this is NOT Allowed for, and expressly forbidden by the Original and only Legally Binding Constitution of the United States of America.

fact is. the majority of our Electrical production is not fueled by crude oil. coal yes, we have 100s of thousands of years of coal. natural gas, again, the US has abundant supplies of NG. Nuclear? not in 30 yrs now, but we have some. nitrogen use is being developed that will tople them all, so the hard push is by individual investors atm, until the big ones see its potential, then try to monopolze the market share as it crosses for getting there to viably working models.

so where does this put is? abuse of power, which is what this really is.


any law that removes our freedoms and liberties to be the innovative and pioneering country we became over the last 400 years, is dangerous to the very fabric that became the USA... if you allow My Liberty, Freedoms, and right of choice be dwindled to nothing, then you allow yours to die as well.- Timmahh

Dan Kone said:

people like you are the reason laws like this are necessary.

It's just a lightbulb, not a government conspiracy. You aren't fighting the man by refusing to use energy efficient lightbulbs, you're just being a moron.

It'll be ok, I promise. By saving money on electricity, that doesn't mean Karl Marx is taking over America.

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People like you who slowly give away every free choice is why our country is in the shape it is in now. They don't take away freedom overnight, it's a steady, slow process.

Yes sir those lights are going to save the world. As long as you have the money to buy them and gas to take them to the recyclers.

FUCK GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS

yep so everybody can fuck each other over in hopes of becoming that self sustainable millionaire.