NO! On Prop 19

TokinPodPilot said:

Sorry, I could never personally rationalize paying a tax to fund further enforcement, especially since young adults will have been suddenly criminalized for simple possession.

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lol. The recreational use of cannabis is illegal for everyone now. Legalizing it for people over 21 doesn't make it more illegal for people under 21 than it is now. No where does prop 19 add additional possession penalties for someone under 21.

Making shit up to oppose prop 19 doesn't help your cause at all. It just makes it seem like you have your own motivations for opposing it which you aren't saying here ($$). You don't happen to own a farm up in mendo do you?

thank goodness it seems the only fuckers that are pro 19 are lazy fuckers who are not gonna grow anyways. all of a sudden its you growers are the bad guys cuz your making money. WTF prop 19 is bs and it fucks everyone and helps out a few. id rather have it how it is now. help everyone fuck a few.

puffntuff said:

thank goodness it seems the only fuckers that are pro 19 are lazy fuckers who are not gonna grow anyways. all of a sudden its you growers are the bad guys cuz your making money. WTF prop 19 is bs and it fucks everyone and helps out a few. id rather have it how it is now. help everyone fuck a few.

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Dude you're from Michigan, it's completely illegal there. What the fuck are you going on about? Read my post #221. You are sadly misinformed.

shim get a card and stop crying about it. many news reels have done reports on how fucking easy it is to get a card in cali, oh my back hurts from wearing high heels well heres a card for you. i cant sleep at night when i have my 15" subwoovers banging so loud it rattles the windows well heres a card for you.

im a registered california voter as i live in pomona half of the year. its not illegal here in mi if you have a card so sorry for your uninformed ass.

puffntuff said:

shim get a card and stop crying about it. many news reels have done reports on how fucking easy it is to get a card in cali, oh my back hurts from wearing high heels well heres a card for you. i cant sleep at night when i have my 15" subwoovers banging so loud it rattles the windows well heres a card for you.

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It's pretty obvious you don't pay attention to my posts. I'm not from California, I live no where near California. I live no where near any state that does medical marijuana. I do not have any medical conditions and I'm not willing to abuse the system just to smoke marijuana. I'd rather go about it the right way and see it be legal.

puffntuff said:

thank goodness it seems the only fuckers that are pro 19 are lazy fuckers who are not gonna grow anyways. all of a sudden its you growers are the bad guys cuz your making money. WTF prop 19 is bs and it fucks everyone and helps out a few. id rather have it how it is now. help everyone fuck a few.

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Nothing wrong with growing to make money. I support all of those people who grow medically or illegally. Get paid! Nothing wrong with making a living. What I have a problem with is those who are making up lies and spreading misinformation to support prohibition because they are worried about their own profits.

If you want to oppose prop 19 because you're afraid you'll lose your income over it, that's a valid reason in my book. No shame in that at all. What I won't tolerate is people being dishonest about out their motivations and then being dishonest about prop 19.

I openly admit that if prop 19 passes I plan to try and making a living legally off of profits from it. I don't think there is anything wrong with that what so ever. Making a living supporting yourself off of growing/selling bud is in know way shameful. It's an honest profession IMO and it should be legal.

Interesting that not one person from the anti-prop 19 crowd will admit they grow/sell for a living. Don't tell me know one is doing that. I've been in the game long enough to know that is bullshit.

People who are against prop 19 because they are scared they won't be able to pay the bills should just come out and admit it. This whole veil of bullshit they are putting up is very transparent. Hard to take their arguments seriously when I know they are lying about their true motivations.

i read your posts you live in iowa or something like that as one of the people that this is going to matter to your opinion doesnt. if you think by us passing this its going to help your cause out sorry but it wont. we have be legit here since 96, it hasnt helped you out any so .........

puffntuff said:

i read your posts you live in iowa or something like that as one of the people that this is going to matter to your opinion doesnt. if you think by us passing this its going to help your cause out sorry but it wont. we have be legit here since 96, it hasnt helped you out any so .........

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So when prop 215 passed in 1996 it wasn't a stepping stone for any other state to go the route of MMJ? What was that? It was... Oh. Prop 19, same deal. Stepping stone for the rest of the Country. I like how you can't make one reply without some type of negative remark. How old are you? 18?

Btw, I don't live in Iowa.

puffntuff said:

i read your posts you live in iowa or something like that as one of the people that this is going to matter to your opinion doesnt. if you think by us passing this its going to help your cause out sorry but it wont. we have be legit here since 96, it hasnt helped you out any so .........

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Yes it has and you're blind if you can't see that. Many other states have passed the use of medical because of Cali and after 19 passes many other states will soon follow after.

it took like 10 years for any other states besides west coast states to hop on board. it took michigan damn near 12-13 yrs.
as for people not wanting to admit to making a living growing and selling weed you can tell about that from their position on prop 19. the people that have been helping out the cause since 1996 and are well informed about this prop know that it is setting the cause back in time while helping out a few well paid people already.

puffntuff said:

it took like 10 years for any other states besides west coast states to hop on board. it took michigan damn near 12-13 yrs.
as for people not wanting to admit to making a living growing and selling weed you can tell about that from their position on prop 19. the people that have been helping out the cause since 1996 and are well informed about this prop know that it is setting the cause back in time while helping out a few well paid people already.

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You don't know your history at all.

California: 1996
Alaska: 1998
Colorado: 2000
Hawaii: 2000
Maine: 1999
Maryland: 2003
Michigan: 2008
Washington: 1998

10 years for other states? Really?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_cannabis_in_the_United_States

You clearly aren't one of those well informed people who have been helping since 1996 when you fail to realize 2 years later states started making it legal. What's that? Every 2 years is when things are voted on? Oh snap....

What's that? Maine is on the east coast?... oh shit...

it was a figure of speech on the 10 yrs but close enough.1. Alaska
1998
Ballot Measure 8 (58%)
$25/$20
1 oz usable; 6 plants (3 mature, 3 immature)
Unknown *
2. California
1996
Proposition 215 (56%)
$66/$33
8 oz usable; 18 plants (6 mature, 12 immature)**
No
3. Colorado
2000
Ballot Amendment 20 (54%)
$90
2 oz usable; 6 plants (3 mature, 3 immature)
No
4. DC
2010 Amendment Act B18-622 (13-0 vote) *** 2 oz dried; limits on other forms to be determined Unknown
5. Hawaii
2000
Senate Bill 862 (32-18 House; 13-12 Senate)
$25
3 oz usable; 7 plants (3 mature, 4 immature)
No
6. Maine
1999
Ballot Question 2 (61%) $100/$75
2.5 oz usable; 6 plants
Yes****
7. Michigan 2008 Proposal 1 (63%) $100/$25 2.5 oz usable; 12 plants Yes
8. Montana
2004
Initiative 148 (62%)
$25/$10
1 oz usable; 6 plants
Yes
9. Nevada
2000
Ballot Question 9 (65%)
$150 +
1 oz usable; 7 plants (3 mature, 4 immature)
No
10. New Jersey
2010
Senate Bill 119 (48-14 House; 25-13 Senate)
*****
2 oz usable
Unknown
11. New Mexico 2007 Senate Bill 523 (36-31 House; 32-3 Senate) $0
6 oz usable; 16 plants (4 mature, 12 immature)
No
12. Oregon
1998
Ballot Measure 67 (55%)
$100/$20
24 oz usable; 24 plants (6 mature, 18 immature)
No
13. Rhode Island
2006
Senate Bill 0710 (52-10 House; 33-1 Senate)
$75/$10
2.5 oz usable; 12 plants
Yes
14. Vermont
2004
Senate Bill 76 (22-7) HB 645 (82-59)
$50
2 oz usable; 9 plants (2 mature, 7 immature)
No
15. Washington
1998
Initiative 692 (59%)
******
24 oz usable; 15 plants
No
[Editor's note: 12 of the 14 states require proof of residency to be considered a qualifying patient for medical marijuana use. Only Oregon and Montana have announced that they will accept out-of-state applications. Karen O'Keefe, JD, Director of State Policies for Marijuana Policy Project (MPP), told ProCon.org in a July 27, 2010 email that "Patients and their caregivers can cultivate in 13 of the 14 states. Home cultivation is not allowed in New Jersey or the District of Columbia and a special license is required in New Mexico."]

puffntuff said:

it was a figure of speech on the 10 yrs but close enough.

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Since when is 10 years close to 3? Maine was the "first" State on the east coast to pass Medical and that was in 1999. Congratulations, you can copy and paste.

1996-1999 = 3 years.

how does this effect you in iowa

Regardless, it helped and it can help again.

puffntuff said:

how does this effect you in iowa

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I'm not exactly sure considering I don't live in Iowa. I just said that? The point is, California first state to pass Medical Marijuana, literally 2 years later states start doing the same. I recall your original post mentioning something about Prop 19 won't do that sort of thing when 215 did exactly that.

Basically, you were wrong.

prop 215 helped and obviously will help. Prop 19 not gonna help

puffntuff said:

prop 215 helped and obviously will help. Prop 19 not gonna help

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So making marijuana legal to the general population won't help but making it an exception for "medical patients" did?

Do you have one valid reason to be against prop 19?

its not making it legal to everyone its putting stipulations on it for everyone. like one other poter said we worked hard to break threw the laws no reason to add anymore.