Greensea
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Somethink like that yea...
So i will Spray Cal/Mag and normaly continue my watering... I have 30 day till harves and 5 Beautifull ladies DAY 35 in dwc so let see what will happen...
nute def.? or what? please help!
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So i will Spray Cal/Mag and normaly continue my watering... I have 30 day till harves and 5 Beautifull ladies DAY 35 in dwc so let see what will happen...
Doer
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How do you know it is locked? You are getting some terms mixed up I think. And you need to slow down and knock of all those. ???? Know what I mean? We are not freaking out, nor are you able to make us.
This is not an emergency, unless you fall over from it. You act like cal/mag is the equivalent to mammal oxygen.
OK. Breath.
Anything can be sprayed if you have a wetting agent to use and have any idea of what you are doing. Too concentrated a spray is like pulling them up and tossing them in the garbage, because that is your next step.
You have to learn. Unless you killed a few and got over it, what have you learned but luck?
So, if they REALLY NEED cal/mag today, they are already dead and cal/mag won't help.
So, add cal mag water, with only a little feed. Rule of thumb is 1/4 strength.
Why do you keep asking? I'll tell you. You mixed up lockout with locked up. Completely different.
You are not locked up, I don't think. In that state, it is an emergency. It has nothing to do with pH unless it was allowed to bang around, or let dwell at super low or high.....like you said your tap was 8...a typo maybe.
So, lock up comes from stress, most usually extended over feeding. Although they can lock up from over watering and stop eating. Similar.
OK. Got it?
Locked out, is pH and is just that. Cal/Mag comes, door is locked. But, plant just says, oh well, I got other stuff to do. Cal/Mag has to wait.
So, as soon as the door is unlocked Cal/Mag can come in. No harm done. See the difference?
Alexander Supertramp
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Have you been feeding high PK bloom foods? If so that also could be inhibiting the uptake of Magnesium.
Greensea
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Hehehe u got me im acting like crazy but thanx u was my camommillaHow do you know it is locked? You are getting some terms mixed up I think. And you need to slow down and knock of all those. ???? Know what I mean? We are not freaking out, nor are you able to make us.
This is not an emergency, unless you fall over from it. You act like cal/mag is the equivalent to mammal oxygen.
OK. Breath.
Anything can be sprayed if you have a wetting agent to use and have any idea of what you are doing. Too concentrated a spray is like pulling them up and tossing them in the garbage, because that is your next step.
You have to learn. Unless you killed a few and got over it, what have you learned but luck?
So, if they REALLY NEED cal/mag today, they are already dead and cal/mag won't help.
So, add cal mag water, with only a little feed. Rule of thumb is 1/4 strength.
Why do you keep asking? I'll tell you. You mixed up lockout with locked up. Completely different.
You are not locked up, I don't think. In that state, it is an emergency. It has nothing to do with pH unless it was allowed to bang around, or let dwell at super low or high.....like you said your tap was 8...a typo maybe.
So, lock up comes from stress, most usually extended over feeding. Although they can lock up from over watering and stop eating. Similar.
OK. Got it?
Locked out, is pH and is just that. Cal/Mag comes, door is locked. But, plant just says, oh well, I got other stuff to do. Cal/Mag has to wait.
So, as soon as the door is unlocked Cal/Mag can come in. No harm done. See the difference?
Im a bit chilled now so i just overfeed them and need solve this for 1st and see.. if i understand u guys cant see my pict atm.. ill try post new in about 1h... they are in dark after my last flush... im using 30ml/10l of GHE Flora kleen and ph adjusted water to 8.5 according flora kleen i need to wait atleast 24 before put nutes at 1/4 str.tomorrow i will put nutes at 1/4 and will wait..
PS: Wont use ph+ anymore!!!! i will use tap water with 6.7ph!!
Greensea
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Yes like i said im tottaly shure i overfeed them because i mixed a hydro with soil plan so i overfeed them atleast for 200% :/ iI have not noticed until the next day,and leave it and simply continue on soil task scheduler... I know i do big mistake leave this for 3 weeks allmost 4 but didnt have time to deal with...
Doer
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I'm just playing with you, man. You cool.
I have no idea why some stuff claims that 8.5 pH is good for something about plants. I don't want to know.
If you put in 8.5 and finally get out 6.5 what do you think is happening in there? And that 6.5? What is that but a scream for help? No. Don't answer.
For me. When I put in 6.5 at 300 ppm, I want to see 6.5 at 300 coming out.
Greensea
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Ok got alot of work with all my ladies But now they are flushed with 1/4 strenght of mix flora grow and micro Ph 7.0...
Hope u guys can see pictures...
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But now they are flushed with 1/4 strenght of mix flora grow and micro Ph 7.0...Hope u guys can see pictures...
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Greensea
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Hehehe
Well its strange yea. I do a 8.5 Ph flush only on 1 plant "on the worst one" but anyway i flushed again like others with 1/4 grow solution and a bit of mineral magic from GHE 20g x 10L @ 7.0ph.
I hope the Dolomite lime sprinkled 1week ago and this flush will help a bit... When i flushed i find out rly dry soil on bottom of pots... maby all my problem is just underwatering + my mistake with overfeeding lol ... Will see...
Im pretty happy with my first soil/auto try, also is my 1st LSt and supercroping
Greensea
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Seems all fine... And think i know where was the problem... It was only combination of underwatering+venti pots and my mistake at doin once to havy nute mixture , this combination make my soil rly dry.
Flushing with mild nute mix helped alot, soaked very well the soil... now i need to keep soil moist and i think all will be fine.
Those venti pots are tricky.
Flushing with mild nute mix helped alot, soaked very well the soil... now i need to keep soil moist and i think all will be fine.
Those venti pots are tricky.
tkowitha123
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I hear you man, I been using RootPouches (fabric pots) Holy MAn JEEZ Wow they need water like every 2-3 days my nursery pots are like 7-9 days before needing water its just insane!!!
Greensea
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Heheh good drain is must but this is insane yea
Must be carefull with this kind of pots. I was watering like evry 3-4 days but i think i need to do it 1 day yes 1 day not, with my setup...Here i have 90%+/- RH in the air but i need to use dehumidifier in my grow room to keep RH around 40-50%<-- cant go lower, airtemp is 73-75F (22-24oC) <-- stable... and soil still keep drying..
wont use anymore those pots... If u think to use those better to add more perlite and vermiculite to keep moist in the soil! My soilmix has only 15% of perlite, i think is a bit low for those pots...
Now i know for my next round ... but i think i will redo DWC or i will try coco for the 1st time on my next grow.
Doer
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Mix that coco coir with hydrotron 50/50, pump the water up to a hyro ring staked out, pair of feed lines, (I've tried both and use the rings.) The stakes tend move about. The feed lines are the deathly "free hose ends."Heheh good drain is must but this is insane yea
Here i have 90%+/- RH in the air but i need to use dehumidifier in my grow room to keep RH around 40-50%<-- cant go lower, airtemp is 73-75F (22-24oC) <-- stable... and soil still keep drying..
wont use anymore those pots... If u think to use those better to add more perlite and vermiculite to keep moist in the soil! My soilmix has only 15% of perlite, i think is a bit low for those pots...
Now i know for my next round ... but i think i will redo DWC or i will try coco for the 1st time on my next grow.
I dove myself crazy with free hose end of every size. They will always move and they will alway pump water on the floor. ALWAYS.
I was UCDWC before that. Not worth it. It grow faster in the "crumble" for me.
Any soil I have to inspect before watering is not something I can put a pump on and time it.
Now I run timers. And one is doing 3x duty. 2 feed pumps and also the pump back for the fog condensation bucket. Another timer for 2 more pumps. And one for the light.
4 reservoirs with exactly the same feed, but at different PPM. My plants each sit, 1 month, over each reservoir.
Moving the plant buckets around is far superior to in place DWC, to me. I proved that to myself with experiments.
reddiamond
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Is there a particular reason you use hydroton?
Would it work the same with perlite as i have been thinking of automating the watering but i do like the results i get with 50/50 coco/perlite.
Doer
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You want drain, not retention. Another crock. See how they grow grape in total shit rocks and sand they call soil? It has to drain. Ganja has to drain. The roots are not bog able.
So, why hydroton? It adds rocks. It forces the roots to follow the faint water trails left in the coco between the rocks. It replaces fully 1/2 of the coir, so even that slight water retention is reduced.
I have some success in all media I tried, but this is so easy on the roots they love it. It looks to triple my yield, this time.
I can grow a bigger plant faster, because it is still soil-less hydroponics but the root do much better.
reddiamond
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I thought thats what perlite did.
wikipedia.org
"In horticulture, perlite can be used as a soil amendment or alone as a medium for hydroponics or for starting cuttings. When used as an amendment it has high permeability / low water retention and helps prevent soil compaction"
I do actually have some hydroton so i guess it wouldn't hurt to try both and see which one works best for my situation
Doer
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Put perlite in water. Quite a bit will sink the to bottom. Gather up a pile of floaters. Shake that out an weigh it.I thought thats what perlite did.
wikipedia.org
"In horticulture, perlite can be used as a soil amendment or alone as a medium for hydroponics or for starting cuttings. When used as an amendment it has high permeability / low water retention and helps prevent soil compaction"
I do actually have some hydroton so i guess it wouldn't hurt to try both and see which one works best for my situation
Then weigh it after a few days. It holds water, just not as much as vermic. I have 1/2 of a 25 pound bag, and do hope you use a dust mask, for that is the other problem.