Onyx Grow Bloom vs Area 51 RW-150 Gorilla Glue #4 Grow

GroErr · Oct 3, 2014

Thanks for the show and test run captain. Surprised at such a wide margin, not surprised that the RW won, but wow, that's a significant gap, specially considering the draw. imo the spectrum likely has the biggest impact. Those onyx panels use quality components but I'm not sold on 2700k when it's the only spectrum nor single-spectrum light sources in general. I think the only lights than can get away with that right now are the Cree COB's as they're so efficient/intense.

Greengenes707 · Oct 3, 2014

Great run capt...almost raises more question than answers as of now. Have you compared PAR charts of the two lights? I am struggling to find the onyx chart or readings.

captainmorgan · Oct 3, 2014

Greengenes707 said:
Great run capt...almost raises more question than answers as of now. Have you compared PAR charts of the two lights? I am struggling to find the onyx chart or readings.

It's more of a PAR graph that looks like a cone.

http://www.onyxgrow.com/bloom.html

Greengenes707 · Oct 3, 2014

captainmorgan said:
It's more of a PAR graph that looks like a cone.

http://www.onyxgrow.com/bloom.html

I saw that one. I wish they would show it from directly above...no need to be 3D if it's also color coded.

I just thought you or someone else on here did a in home chart/testing of the onyx.

captainmorgan · Oct 3, 2014

Greengenes707 said:
I saw that one. I wish they would show it from directly above...no need to be 3D if it's also color coded.

I just thought you or someone else on here did a in home chart/testing of the onyx.

Sorry thought you were looking for their info,I posted some numbers from a meter I borrowed in post #50.

captainmorgan · Oct 3, 2014

GroErr said:
Thanks for the show and test run captain. Surprised at such a wide margin, not surprised that the RW won, but wow, that's a significant gap, specially considering the draw. imo the spectrum likely has the biggest impact. Those onyx panels use quality components but I'm not sold on 2700k when it's the only spectrum nor single-spectrum light sources in general. I think the only lights than can get away with that right now are the Cree COB's as they're so efficient/intense.

If money were no object I would replace everything with top bin CXA3070's.

Yodaweed · Oct 3, 2014

What about CXA3590s top bin 90 CRI?

epicfail · Oct 3, 2014

captainmorgan said:
If money were no object I would replace everything with top bin CXA3070's.

Accept no substitute! j/k, but they are awesome. :bigjoint:

You could sell off the lights and do it. I sold off commercial panels to get most of the money for my 3070s and @mc130p sold off his newly rebuilt blackdog after getting some CXA's.

Yodaweed said:
What about CXA3590s top bin 90 CRI?

I think the 80CRI 3070 3000k is more efficient from what I have read.

mc130p · Oct 3, 2014

epicfail said:
Accept no substitute! j/k, but they are awesome.

You could sell off the lights and do it. I sold off commercial panels to get most of the money for my 3070s and @mc130p sold off his newly rebuilt blackdog after getting some CXA's.

I think the 80CRI 3070 3000k is more efficient from what I have read.

I did, and I kept the money so that I can add another 3590

Gotta wait till the comp finishes though....

captainmorgan · Oct 3, 2014

From what I've seen the high bin CXA 3070's are king. I'don't believe the higher CRI is better for canna growth and not worth the money. What I really want to know is if it's the spectrum or just the raw power from the high efficency. I've never seen plants react to a light source like the CXA's

giggywatts · Oct 4, 2014

AquariusPanta said:
Decent. How much longer before the heads start coming off? A week or two?

Does anyone else ever read CaptainMorgan's posts and think of Homer Simpson's voice while reading through the text? I'm not smoking I swear

only when stoned.

giggywatts · Oct 4, 2014

nice haul on the test captain. now lets see you put your magic touch to them. i don't think they will hold up to the cree setup. peace

captainmorgan · Oct 8, 2014

Onyx with it's cover and lenses removed. I have to get some small bolts to replace the screws that held the cover on to keep the board tight to the heatsink. If it's going to run with no lenses the cover needs to be off also because it traps a lot of light inside of it. I'll be taking some readings with my quantum meter to compare to the lenses on readings.

Dloomis514 · Oct 8, 2014

Any one know where to get these top end 3070s?

Seem to have a huge minimum Quantity

Thanks

Positivity · Oct 8, 2014

captainmorgan said:
Onyx with it's cover and lenses removed. I have to get some small bolts to replace the screws that held the cover on to keep the board tight to the heatsink. If it's going to run with no lenses the cover needs to be off also because it traps a lot of light inside of it. I'll be taking some readings with my quantum meter to compare to the lenses on readings.

Wow...you could easily silicone some reflectors on that if you wanted to cap...if you have the headroom. Looking again..it may be a little tight with some of those things on the board

http://gr.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Carclo/10170/?qs=iofSZqe50rnwchz4K2diAw==

dbkick · Oct 8, 2014

Could have been some other factor, the weights are fairly close. Mike at rapid seems to think the light is spread more even with the diffused lenses .
I look forward to your results and good luck.

dbkick · Oct 8, 2014

Positivity said:
Wow...you could easily silicone some reflectors on that if you wanted to cap...if you have the headroom

http://gr.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Carclo/10170/?qs=iofSZqe50rnwchz4K2diAw==

Thank you , that's just what I was looking for!

vitamin_green_inc · Oct 8, 2014

Would those different reflectors sans lense really help the spread that much? @Positivity
I look forward to @captainmorgan 's par test results and comparing before and after lens and casing removal. I would like to vokunteer for him to go ahead and buy those reflectors @Positivity linked to to test as well
:wink:

Positivity · Oct 8, 2014

vitamin_green_inc said:
Would those different reflectors sans lense really help the spread that much? @Positivity
I look forward to @captainmorgan 's par test results and comparing before and after lens and casing removal. I would like to vokunteer for him to go ahead and buy those reflectors @Positivity linked to to test as well

I just suggested those in the case captain doesn't like the light without the optics. I'd try those before putting the frosted ones back on. Too bad the price went up...when I bought mine they were about $.60 each. I've got a bunch extra if cap wants them. I switched to the ledil version since they have a smaller base that fit stars easier..but I prefer the carclos reflective interior

These are the ones I'm using now. Ledil Tina 2...there's a clip on the bottom that needs to be snipped off and sanded flat. Little more work and little more expensive..

http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/C13253_TINA2-R-CLIP16/C13253_TINA2-R-CLIP16-ND/4506684?WT.z_cid=ref_octopart_dkc_buynow&site=us

http://www.ledil.com/node/2/p/7034

Little cheaper at newark...
http://www.newark.com/ledil/c13253-tina2-r-clip16/bulk-reflector-round-1-pos-16/dp/08X5664?CMP=AFC-OP

Sorry for the thread bomb cap..

captainmorgan · Oct 8, 2014

Positivity said:
I just suggested those in the case captain doesn't like the light without the optics. I'd try those before putting the frosted ones back on. Too bad the price went up...when I bought mine they were about $.60 each. I've got a bunch extra if cap wants them. I switched to the ledil version since they have a smaller base that fit stars easier..but I prefer the carclos reflective interior

These are the ones I'm using now. Ledil Tina 2...there's a clip on the bottom that needs to be snipped off and sanded flat. Little more work and little more expensive..

http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/C13253_TINA2-R-CLIP16/C13253_TINA2-R-CLIP16-ND/4506684?WT.z_cid=ref_octopart_dkc_buynow&site=us

http://www.ledil.com/node/2/p/7034

Little cheaper at newark...
http://www.newark.com/ledil/c13253-tina2-r-clip16/bulk-reflector-round-1-pos-16/dp/08X5664?CMP=AFC-OP

Sorry for the thread bomb cap..

All constructive input is welcome in my threads. I think that if I were to add reflectors it would be a bigger spread,like 90 to 100.

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