Organic no till, probiotic, knf, jadam, vermicomposting, soil mixes, sips etc... Q & A

meangreengrowinmachine

meangreengrowinmachine

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projectinfo said:
yah next run il be making a bed like joshua steensland except itll be a sip.

coots soil, straw , diverse cover crop while the rooms fills with vegitation , then when its full and blocks out the light , you knock down the cover crop and flip and it breaks down into food for flower .

it seems like minimum input is best
and hes got it figured out
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I saw a grow that had MASSIVE plants... the recipe in the soil... composted cow manure.. and epsom tomato tone thats IT.. they things GIANTS... granted they were outdoor but they were outdoor in northern WI lol .. so simple imputs really might be best.... last year in my outdoor garden I used JUST composted cow manure... I needed tomato skyscraper cages.. it was ridiculous... needless to say once the ground un freezes around here I will be ordering a literal dump truck load of the shit lol
 
meangreengrowinmachine

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projectinfo said:
spider mites can hangout in your floor cracks , come in off your c02 bottle when you get it changed, your fan if theres no pre filter on the intake , your clothes, hair, your friends .. lots of ways .

looks like the grokashi methods working out for ya ,.

i made my own labs , made kashi out of it and robertos brew and its all working just as fast as em1 . im making my own imputs from here out.
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ok so I just googled DIY Em 1 ... I am never buying that stuff again lol wow ez pz
 
projectinfo

projectinfo

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meangreengrowinmachine said:
I saw a grow that had MASSIVE plants... the recipe in the soil... composted cow manure.. and epsom tomato tone thats IT.. they things GIANTS... granted they were outdoor but they were outdoor in northern WI lol .. so simple imputs really might be best.... last year in my outdoor garden I used JUST composted cow manure... I needed tomato skyscraper cages.. it was ridiculous... needless to say once the ground un freezes around here I will be ordering a literal dump truck load of the shit lol
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All cow manure is not the same .

Does your farmrr spray the fields with roundup to stop weeds ??

Do they feed the cows dewormers ?

Do they get antibiotics and steroids ?

What do they feed them?
Hope its unfucked pasture..... Roundup lasts 7+ years.

Is the manure properly composted to reduce the human pathogens like salmonella, listeria, ecoli stuff like that . As well as anaerobic bacteria and fungi that will eventually kill your plant. And uncomposted manure also still is very green and has urine still unleached from it .. .. Urea is a natural form of nitrogen and will burn your plants.
 
MustangStudFarm

MustangStudFarm

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projectinfo said:
All cow manure is not the same .

Does your farmrr spray the fields with roundup to stop weeds ??

Do they feed the cows dewormers ?

Do they get antibiotics and steroids ?

What do they feed them?
Hope its unfucked pasture..... Roundup lasts 7+ years.

Is the manure properly composted to reduce the human pathogens like salmonella, listeria, ecoli stuff like that . As well as anaerobic bacteria and fungi that will eventually kill your plant. And uncomposted manure also still is very green and has urine still unleached from it .. .. Urea is a natural form of nitrogen and will burn your plants.
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Most of the bad stuff would be out of the manure by the time it finishes composting anyways. Manure should be mixed with woody material that has lignin, so you will have humic acid in your compost. According to Dr. Faust and Steve Solomon, it takes about 2yrs for lignin to convert into humic acid, so compost that is less than 2yrs old isn't ready. It's a slow and painful process and that is why it is very hard to find good compost!!! Malibu compost appears to be the only company that addresses quality control. You might get lucky and find an old farmer that knows what they are doing, but most companies will sell you shit that still smells like shit.
 
meangreengrowinmachine

meangreengrowinmachine

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projectinfo said:
All cow manure is not the same .

Does your farmrr spray the fields with roundup to stop weeds ??

Do they feed the cows dewormers ?

Do they get antibiotics and steroids ?

What do they feed them?
Hope its unfucked pasture..... Roundup lasts 7+ years.

Is the manure properly composted to reduce the human pathogens like salmonella, listeria, ecoli stuff like that . As well as anaerobic bacteria and fungi that will eventually kill your plant. And uncomposted manure also still is very green and has urine still unleached from it .. .. Urea is a natural form of nitrogen and will burn your plants.
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i guess all good points... I do not know any of this information but they are not a huge commercial farm or anything like that. Luckily I have a lot of my own animals (goats chickens pigs) and I have some compost that should be ready to roll this year! I am ALL about trying to get all my own inputs. but also am about using things from the community around me as well... the whole round up thing does scare me though very good point.
 
meangreengrowinmachine

meangreengrowinmachine

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MustangStudFarm said:
Most of the bad stuff would be out of the manure by the time it finishes composting anyways. Manure should be mixed with woody material that has lignin, so you will have humic acid in your compost. According to Dr. Faust and Steve Solomon, it takes about 2yrs for lignin to convert into humic acid, so compost that is less than 2yrs old isn't ready. It's a slow and painful process and that is why it is very hard to find good compost!!! Malibu compost appears to be the only company that addresses quality control. You might get lucky and find an old farmer that knows what they are doing, but most companies will sell you shit that still smells like shit.
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I did have the where with all to at least make sure that the compost was 2+ years aged.. plus the pile I have has now aged another year..
 
MustangStudFarm

MustangStudFarm

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meangreengrowinmachine said:
the whole round up thing does scare me though very good point.
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Round-Up has a half life. Here is what I found, Copy and Paste...


What is the half-life of Round-Up:
47 days

The half-life of glyphosate in soil ranges between 2 and 197 days; a typical field half-life of 47 days has been suggested. Soil and climate conditions affect glyphosate's persistence in soil. The median half-life of glyphosate in water varies from a few to91 days.
 
MustangStudFarm

MustangStudFarm

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projectinfo said:
Hope its unfucked pasture..... Roundup lasts 7+ years.
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I hope that you don't get mad if I disagree. I looked into it when I was getting compost from the "City compost facility". You know, the compost facility where city workers, contractors, and civilians dump yard waste. I was like "you have no idea what is in that shit" but Dr. Faust said that is a good place to get compost as long as you compost it longer. I know that you are familiar with this podcast, but maybe you just missed this episode?
https://www.kisorganics.com/pages/cannabis-cultivation-and-science-podcast-episode-11
 
MustangStudFarm

MustangStudFarm

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meangreengrowinmachine said:
Question on your soil test as i think maybe I should try that out. Is there a specific one that you used and was it based on recomendations? Can you point me in the direction?
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A lot of people on here want to make fun of you for getting your soil tested, so be prepared. However, I know of 3x doctor/authors that have talked about the importance of soil testing in their books. Jeff Lowenfels has a chapter dedicated to it in "Teaming with Nutrients". Dr. Faust and Dr. Steve Solomon talk about it on KIS Organic's podcast. I was getting the Mehlich 3 test from Logan labs and Specturm Analytic, but those tests are pretty hard to read. I came across "soil savvy" test and it seems to be my go-to unless I have been making recent changes to my soil.

https://www.kisorganics.com/pages/cannabis-cultivation-and-science-podcast-episode-17

https://www.amazon.com/Soil-Savvy-Understand-Fertilizer-Recommendation/dp/B01GIMOG8A/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?keywords=soil+savvy&qid=1553221048&s=gateway&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1
 
projectinfo

projectinfo

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MustangStudFarm said:
I hope that you don't get mad if I disagree. I looked into it when I was getting compost from the "City compost facility". You know, the compost facility where city workers, contractors, and civilians dump yard waste. I was like "you have no idea what is in that shit" but Dr. Faust said that is a good place to get compost as long as you compost it longer. I know that you are familiar with this podcast, but maybe you just missed this episode?
https://www.kisorganics.com/pages/cannabis-cultivation-and-science-podcast-episode-11
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Yeah ive heard that too, to each their own.

I make worm compost and have access to a few sources of great compost that i dont have to continue to try to clean up.

Less inputs that could contain peoples sprayed lawn clippings is my motto.

Also got alot of access to small farm manure thats been taken care of, if im going to spend any time re composting my meterial, it will be from quality sources like local beach seaweed, fish compost, hay, straw, manure,

I stand by the "you dont know what people put in there."

Ive watched a a customer pur a jug a mixes gas into one of those leaf bags for collection day befor because he didnt know what elese to do with the old gas.

Id rather know exactly whats in my compost every time.

Yah if you mix it througholy, hot compost everything you might get an accurate test.

But still you cant tell me there isnt a chance people do stupid shit .
But if thats the old compost you xan make or have access too . Maybe its better than nothing.

Last year i went to forest and collect bags and bags of leaves .. This year il be loading the trailer with leaves and seaween and manure and hay

And mustang i aint mad bud , i just tend to disagree alot lol
 
SSGrower

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projectinfo said:
Last year i went to forest and collect bags and bags of leaves .. This year il be loading the trailer with leaves and seaween and manure and hay

And mustang i aint mad bud , i just tend to disagree alot lol
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Gonna ask you to please not do this.
In nature there is a balance, although your collection was likely insignificant, what would the impact of 1000 people doing it be?
There are plenty of sources for good compostable material withiout the built in ineffeciencs of small scale invasions into natural pristine environmets.

I aint mad just my .02.
 
projectinfo

projectinfo

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SSGrower said:
Gonna ask you to please not do this.
In nature there is a balance, although your collection was likely insignificant, what would the impact of 1000 people doing it be?
There are plenty of sources for good compostable material withiout the built in ineffeciencs of small scale invasions into natural pristine environmets.

I aint mad just my .02.
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True.
 
projectinfo

projectinfo

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SSGrower said:
Gonna ask you to please not do this.
In nature there is a balance, although your collection was likely insignificant, what would the impact of 1000 people doing it be?
There are plenty of sources for good compostable material withiout the built in ineffeciencs of small scale invasions into natural pristine environmets.

I aint mad just my .02.
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What are you collecting for making large compost piles and worm bins?

We have a large plot of land im making roads in and ive got huge piles of brush, fallen trees and i saved the forest duff in a big wind row along the whole road .

Im going to use it tho . But yeah, not everyone should just go disturb nature , i see it like its the byproduct of my buisness. Misewell turn it into compost to clean it up.

And theres lots of old rotten hay bales around

And the seaweed washes up on beaches and it gets piled up and dried out . No good.

Some things theres an abundance, or its going to be lost anyways from doing construction. Im speeding up the breakdown and speading it around town .


Feeding the community and creating new rich soil, Its not all doom and gloom but i get your point
 
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MustangStudFarm

MustangStudFarm

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projectinfo said:
Yeah ive heard that too, to each their own.

I make worm compost and have access to a few sources of great compost that i dont have to continue to try to clean up.

Less inputs that could contain peoples sprayed lawn clippings is my motto.

Also got alot of access to small farm manure thats been taken care of, if im going to spend any time re composting my meterial, it will be from quality sources like local beach seaweed, fish compost, hay, straw, manure,

I stand by the "you dont know what people put in there."

Ive watched a a customer pur a jug a mixes gas into one of those leaf bags for collection day befor because he didnt know what elese to do with the old gas.

Id rather know exactly whats in my compost every time.

Yah if you mix it througholy, hot compost everything you might get an accurate test.

But still you cant tell me there isnt a chance people do stupid shit .
But if thats the old compost you xan make or have access too . Maybe its better than nothing.

Last year i went to forest and collect bags and bags of leaves .. This year il be loading the trailer with leaves and seaween and manure and hay

And mustang i aint mad bud , i just tend to disagree alot lol
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I filled a garden bed with the "City Compost" and I hated it very much. I was very surprised when Dr. Faust suggest to use it. If you listen to the podcast, Tad Hussey gave Dr. Faust an oprotunity to sell some of his products from BioAg when he asked if you could add humic acid to a compost pile because it takes so long to break down. Instead, he suggested to use the city compost and let it age longer. I thought that he would suggest using Leonardite or Oxidized Lignite from mines, but I was wrong! This is the stuff that comes out of the mines.


https://www.amazon.com/Down-Earth-100523982-Granular-Humic/dp/B01IWBPM4W/ref=asc_df_B01IWBPM4W/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=229261240507&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=14260948779634686227&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9026742&hvtargid=pla-382242976771&psc=1
 
projectinfo

projectinfo

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MustangStudFarm said:
I filled a garden bed with the "City Compost" and I hated it very much. I was very surprised when Dr. Faust suggest to use it. If you listen to the podcast, Tad Hussey gave Dr. Faust an oprotunity to sell some of his products from BioAg when he asked if you could add humic acid to a compost pile because it takes so long to break down. Instead, he suggested to use the city compost and let it age longer. I thought that he would suggest using Leonardite or Oxidized Lignite from mines, but I was wrong! This is the stuff that comes out of the mines.


https://www.amazon.com/Down-Earth-100523982-Granular-Humic/dp/B01IWBPM4W/ref=asc_df_B01IWBPM4W/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=229261240507&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=14260948779634686227&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9026742&hvtargid=pla-382242976771&psc=1
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Righton it does sound good, but im still hungup on the pedestrian collection process.

Has anyone tested for glyphosate in these city composts yet? (roundup)

And it would have to be a very very thorough test . Every pag that enters the facility is a new vector for contamination.
 
MustangStudFarm

MustangStudFarm

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projectinfo said:
Righton it does sound good, but im still hungup on the pedestrian collection process.

Has anyone tested for glyphosate in these city composts yet? (roundup)

And it would have to be a very very thorough test . Every pag that enters the facility is a new vector for contamination.
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When was the last time that you ate at McDonald's? I think that it is funny that people are way more concerned about what they feed their plants than themselves. Not complaining at you, just mad that it is so hard to find decent food. Find out that our veggies don't even have a high mineral content. I'm on a rant. I wish that I could stop by a fast food chain and order a high brix salad!
 
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