Organic Vs. Synthetic Nutrients

cdgmoney250 said:

I can read thank you. Which is why I responded by saying THC content doesn’t linearly translate to potency. That means the bigger number doesn’t always get you higher, in case your reading comprehension is lacking.

I was making butane hash oil in 2013, I’ve done your little exercise many, many times. This is why I said what I said. We can agree to disagree, it’s ok. I’ll go on trusting my brain, nose, and taste buds and you can on trusting other peoples opinions as gospel. Have great day!

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And i didn't contradicted this, i smoke longer than you and perhaps i learned this one before you too.. since i am growing from 15 years and you from 10 years.. You are assuming i don't know this.. I was very particular in my writing about this thing too. You have done BHO from the buds or from small leaves that you trimmed away or shitty phenos? If you do it from the same plant, even from small leaves you trimmed away, it will still hit stronger. I trust my senses too.. but i don't trust people like you can grow better than Neville and Shantibaba, or with a small grow can bring better phenos or genetics than Cannabiotix

cdgmoney250 said:

I can read thank you. Which is why I responded by saying THC content doesn’t linearly translate to potency. That means the bigger number doesn’t always get you higher, in case your reading comprehension is lacking.

I was making butane hash oil in 2013, I’ve done your little exercise many, many times. This is why I said what I said. We can agree to disagree, it’s ok. I’ll go on trusting my brain, nose, and taste buds and you can on trusting other peoples opinions as gospel. Have great day!

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You simply missed the train when you thought that the best weed comes from small nobodies.. when the big fish grows 5000-10000 plants a year.. + and they grow in hydro, soil, coco, organic.. they try different nutes.. organic ammendments, teas.. genetics.. put hundreds and hundreds of plants to find the best phenotypes from a single strain.. But hey sure a person like you grows better than all of them.. You are the best grower in the world nobody have heard about..

You can grow better landraces, and early hybrids organically, and some high sativa dominants, they all require and are used to less nutes. Maybe Blueberry, Northern lights, Lamb's Bread, Malawi Gold, maybe these ones you can grow better organically and will give you more terpenes and potency.. but good luck growing strains such as Wedding Cake, Jealosy, Permanent Marker, Gorilla Glue #4, Chemdawg, good luck growing them better with organics and not with synthetics with which many of these strains were fed when they were created..

skywalker707 said:

What makes you think this unknown small organic gardens can produce better quality than large companies growing thousands of plants, which grow both organically and synthetically?

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Simple, profit.
Corporate entities are motivated by profit and in the case of cups the promotion of a product. As opposed to home growers who are motivated by passion for cannabis.
It sounds like your research into cup winners has sparked an interest in finding the best strains, that's cool. I think it's great when you find something that ignites your passion to learn more. Unfortunately cups are well known for corruption, it's not a matter of one person being a better judge of quality than another it's a case of people paying off judges for cup wins. Don't take my word for it have a discussion with folks in the industry. Tom Hill, for example, who has won a cup with Deep chunk, does not participate in cups anymore. Because of the corruption, not because he wasn't winning. There are many, many others who feel the same.
If it helps to ignite your passion for cannabis that's cool, but don't expect others to see cannabis cups as a definitive indication of quality. Most in the industry don't take them seriously.
Not to belittle your experience, because that is valid, but growing for 15 years is just getting started. There are people on this forum that have been growing since the seventies, people who were growing when it meant risking your house, your job, your freedom to do so. That's experience, cups are for likes on social media.
Educating ourselves is how we become better growers. You clearly have a deep interest and have done a lot of research, that's more than most folks are willing to do. That's badass!

Cups are more analogous of a beauty contest than a boxing match. In a boxing match there is a clear winner, the person on the ground is the loser and the person who didn't get knocked out is the winner. That's an objective win, the taste smell and effect of weed is a subjective judgement like beauty. Does anyone actually believe that miss America is the most beautiful woman in America?

Funkentelechy said:

Cups are more analogous of a beauty contest than a boxing match. In a boxing match there is a clear winner, the person on the ground is the loser and the person who didn't get knocked out is the winner. That's an objective win, the taste smell and effect of weed is a subjective judgement like beauty. Does anyone actually believe that miss America is the most beautiful woman in America?

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There are people with better palete and taste than others for wine, weed, food, ect. ect.. It's not as subjective as you think. As far as passion who have bigger passion than the best breeders in the world who often happen to be the best growers as well? Who have more space, resources, phenotypes from the same strain than the very breeders that create the strains, stabilize them and introduce them to the growers all over the world? There are no better growers than the top breeders.. They have an advantage over a small passionate grower.. Its one thing to grow 20-100 plants per year, another thing to grow 5000-10000 and have 20 growers do things whatever you say to them.. Its one thing to be able to grow with different mediums, organically, synthetically, living soil, organic nutes.. ect. ect., because you have the ability to allow yourself this, and quite another to grow by the same method with slight variations since you lack space and numbers to apply variations.. You speak about corruption too.. prove that most cannabis cups are corrupt. Do it.. with clear definite proof.. Not some losers saying someone else won the cup, not them because their flower was better.. I want clear proof the majority of cups are fake.. + give me proof for the People Choice type of cups which are the majority of cups as of the last 5 years in which normal people can buy the judge kit and vote themselves.. which kits are sold 1-2 months before competitions and finish early.. "Most in the industry don't take them seriously." - Who do you envision by most? Often the top growers and breeders favourite strains are cup winners anyway? I am willing to bet money that majority of cannabis cups are not corrupted. And the strains that win consistently cups all over the world in all kind of different competitions repeatedly have great phenotypes to back it up. The problem and the disinterest stems from when a great breeder produces a cup winner, but after this he needs to make a new batch of seeds for the same strain and he doesn't put the same scrutiny as going through 4-5 generations to stabilize them.. and just pollen chucks them.. This happens. But majority of strains that win cups repeatedly across continents and unconnected cup venues, win them for a reason..

Funkentelechy said:

Cups are more analogous of a beauty contest than a boxing match. In a boxing match there is a clear winner, the person on the ground is the loser and the person who didn't get knocked out is the winner. That's an objective win, the taste smell and effect of weed is a subjective judgement like beauty. Does anyone actually believe that miss America is the most beautiful woman in America?

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There was clear reason jack herer to dominate sativa cups pre 97.. clear reason super silver haze to dominate pre 00.. clear reason super lemon haze to dominate pre 2012.. clear reason mk ultra to win key cups in 2003 and 2004.. clear reason la confidential to do the same.. clear reason kosher kush to dominate indica cups all over the world in all kind of competitions.. Some strains had just better phenotypes for the time being.. And many of these strains are still winning cups today all over the board, and getting the right pheno of them can hardly be beaten in quality of effect, compare this strains to the majority of the other strains from the same companies and you will see these strains from the same company won the cups for a reason and are definately better than the rest of their stuff.. and better than the stuff from almost everyone else who didn't won the cup for the time being..

This is like comparing dna og kush strains with dinafem og kush strains or seedsman og kush.. Its no wonder DNA won so many cups and the latter two don't have great phenos..

And nobody have bigger passion than the top breeders.. this small passionate growers.. if they were so passionate they would have found a way to do this full time and get into breeding or growing in large scale.. Whats this impotent passion to not expand or produce seeds in the very field you are passionate about? Passion my ass.. Its either lack of ability, either lack of passion, and most often and likely lack of both..

I can virtually guarantee you the small grower who doesn't do it full time is not as passionate as Neville, Shantibaba, Seed Junky, Cannabiotix, DNA.. ect. ect..

And there are people and names in this industry that stand at the top the same way Usyk, Tyson, Ali, Jones, GSP stand in boxing and mma..

skywalker707 said:

prove that most cannabis cups are corrupt. Do it.. with clear definite proof.. Not some losers saying someone else won the cup, not them because their flower was better.

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Prove to me that most cannabis cups are not fake, do it with definitive proof. Less time typing more time smoking.

One of the reasons that I grow organically is simplicity. I'm an outdoor soil greenhouse grower and throwing some compost and dry amendments in/on the soil is very simple and low maintenance. No monitoring ppms, no mixing anything, very little need to monitor ph and you'd have to try hard to burn an outdoor plant with dry amendments. So simple!
But there is more than one way to skin a cat and if you are growing high potency weed that tastes and smells good then you're winning!

Funkentelechy said:

Prove to me that most cannabis cups are not fake, do it with definitive proof. Less time typing more time smoking.

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You are the one making the accusation, the burden of proof is on you.. If someone claims someone have killed someone else, the burden of proof is on the prosecution, not the defense.. Learn how arguments are structured before appearing nonsensical.

Funkentelechy said:

One of the reasons that I grow organically is simplicity. I'm an outdoor soil greenhouse grower and throwing some compost and dry amendments in/on the soil is very simple and low maintenance. No monitoring ppms, no mixing anything, very little need to monitor ph and you'd have to try hard to burn an outdoor plant with dry amendments. So simple!
But there is more than one way to skin a cat and if you are growing high potency weed that tastes and smells good then you're winning!

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Its not very hard to grow coco, perlite and chem nutes indoor either.. You don't have to worry about bugs, animals, thieves, bad weather, wind, mold, hail, hunters.. ect. ect.. simple until you found out someone stole your crop.. happened to me 2-3 times for the last 15 years to me outdoor.. and i consistently make better bud indoor.. better bag appeal, higher potency.. more desirable by clients too..

You are the one that claimed that cannabis cups wins = the best pot. The burden of proof is on you.

It does seem like we are getting a little off track though, no?

Organic-vs-synthetic nutrients.

skywalker707 said:

You are the one making the accusation, the burden of proof is on you.. If someone claims someone have killed someone else, the burden of proof is on the prosecution, not the defense.. Learn how arguments are structured before appearing nonsensical.

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and in relation to this, how would you incarcarate a person which you can't prove have killed another person for murder without proof? before making accusations make sure you have proof of their claims.. don't go silly asking the defense to do your job in finding and presenting the evidence..

Funkentelechy said:

You are the one that claimed that cannabis cups wins = the best pot. The burden of proof is on you.

It does seem like we are getting a little off track though, no?

Organic-vs-synthetic nutrients.

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I already made my case.. the best breeders in the world that create the very genetics bozos like you grow are both more passionate, more able, and grow in such amounts that they can find the best possible phenos, also have the resources to grow in all mediums and have lots of bozos like you working for them too.. So its a matter of ability, passion and numbers.. Go grow 200+ phenos of a strain which you stabilized across 4-5 generations, and perhaps when F2 you might find something special.. which most normies won't be able to duplicate since they lack the capability, the space, the resources.. ect. ect..

Have you seen DNA genetics gardens, or Mr. Nice gardens? Cannabiotix? How do you beat this with small garden being a complete amateuer thinking you can grow better than Neville and Shantibaba?

skywalker707 said:

simple until you found out someone stole your crop.. happened to me 2-3 times for the last 15 years to me outdoor

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Oh man that's terrible, so sorry! I am lucky to live in a rural area with very favorable weather and very few thefts.