Pandemic 2020

DIY-HP-LED said:

We should know in a week, delta works fast and has symptoms down from a week to 10 days to a mere four days.

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Three days.

Herd immunity is a mirage, natural immunity from a infection is fleeting.

captainmorgan said:

Herd immunity is a mirage, natural immunity from a infection is fleeting.

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Why bet on it when you can bolster natural immunity by getting the vaccine and thus have exceptional immunity. If you get delta covid after vaccination, it will also most likely boost your immunity too and for most folks that would be about it.

captainmorgan said:

Herd immunity is a mirage, natural immunity from a infection is fleeting.

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Fauci said EUA for the Pfizer will probably be finished by the end of August and the mandates will begin, some are already in anticipation of the ruling. For many of the reluctant or resistant the point will be moot, get the jab or the get the axe. There should be a whole lot of howling and whining going on then as the antivaxxers freak out.

Don't really give a shit what antivaxxers do, kinda hope the fools never take it. My only point was that it will be a yearly shot to keep immunity high, natural immunity does not last.

captainmorgan said:

Don't really give a shit what antivaxxers do, kinda hope the fools never take it. My only point was that it will be a yearly shot to keep immunity high, natural immunity does not last.

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I believe the jury is still out on that, I've seen lot's of conflicting research and the variants are in the mix too complicating questions about long term immunity. It appears the delta variant is causing breakthrough infections among those who had the original strain and ones immunity level appears to be dependent on how bad an infection they had.

Getting the unvaxxed vaxxed will reduce the amount of virus circulating and take the load off the hospitals. Low vaxx rates and no masks with delta overwhelm hospitals, mask mandates and shutdowns flow from that, as does all sorts of other shit. It would be nice to get near a hospital again and I'm over due for an actual doctor's visit, not telemedicine.

I too believe this virus has officially become the next permanent human illness for the history books . All other viruses and diseases that have haunted mankind from the beginning still to this day pop up from time to time …… bubonic plague , dysentery, gout , cholera , malaria , dengue fever , and hosts of others.

It was inevitable ….. humans are dirty animals . We still have cross over events with animal / insects disease all the time …..
Mad cow , Lyme disease , campylobacteriosis / trichinellosis from reptiles , hanta and about a thousand more. So it would be reckless to think this is just a fluke - man made or not. Look up humans and prions , if want some eye opening reading.

Vaccines will improve as it goes on just it has in field of medicine for all the ailments humans have. New drugs , new theraputics and treatments…. We will never cure it …. Only manage it like we do with the common cold.

Republicans treated Covid like a bioweapon. Then it turned against them



Some of the most powerful conservatives in the United States have, since the beginning of the Covid-19 pandemic, chosen to sow disinformation along with mockery and distrust of proven methods of combating the disease, from masks to vaccines to social distancing. Their actions have afflicted the nation as a whole with more disease and death and economic crisis than good leadership aligned with science might have, and, in spite of hundreds of thousands of well-documented deaths and a new surge, they continue. Their malice has become so normal that its real nature is rarely addressed. Call it biological warfare by propaganda.

Call Jared Kushner the spiritual heir of the army besieging the city of Caffa on the Black Sea in 1346, which, according to a contemporaneous account, catapulted plague-infected corpses over the city walls. This is sometimes said to be how the Black Death came to Europe, where it would kill tens of millions of people – a third of the European population – over the next 15 years. A Business Insider article from a year ago noted: “Kushner’s coronavirus team shied away from a national strategy, believing that the virus was hitting Democratic states hardest and that they could blame governors.” An administration more committed to saving lives than scoring points could have contained the pandemic rather than made the US the worst-hit nation in the world. Illnesses and casualties could have been far lower, and we could have been better protected against the Delta variant.

At the outset of the pandemic, as Seattle and New York City became hard hit, Republicans apparently imagined that the pandemic would strike Democratic states and cities first, and certainly in 2020 Black, Latinx and indigenous people were disproportionately affected. To put it clearly, Republicans enabled a campaign of mass death and disablement, thinking it would be primarily mean death and illness for those they regarded as opponents.

Nevertheless, Democratic governors, Native nations and people with moderate-to-leftwing views have done a better job of protecting against this scourge. The worst-hit areas in the country are now Republican-led states and regions. At one point recently, Florida under raging science denier Governor Ron DeSantis, with about 7.5% of the US population, accounted for 20% of all new Covid cases. The governors of Florida and Texas have banned mask mandates, making attempts to protect public health, including that of children, acts of defiance by cities and school districts. DeSantis’s supporters are peddling “Don’t Fauci My Florida” T-shirts and drink coolers with the text “How the hell am I going to drink a beer with a mask on?” On 27 July, as Delta infections proliferated, House minority leader Kevin McCarthy tweeted, “Make no mistake – The threat of bringing masks back is not a decision based on science, but a decision conjured up by liberal government officials who want to continue to live in a perpetual pandemic state.”

Call Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham the spiritual heirs of Lord Jeffery Amherst, the British military commander who in 1763 wrote to an underling, “Could it not be contrived to send the Small Pox among those disaffected tribes of Indians?” As the New York Times put it with characteristic mildness, “Mr Carlson, Ms Ingraham and guests on their programs have said on the air that the vaccines could be dangerous; that people are justified in refusing them; and that public authorities have overstepped in their attempts to deliver them.” Newsweek was more blunt, quoting Ingraham herself saying that the vaccine was an attempt to push an “experimental drug on Americans against their will – threatening them, threatening to deprive them of basic liberties, if they don’t comply.” The goal was to rile up the audience – and prevent them from getting vaccinated, while the evidence was clear that the vaccines prevent both disease in the vaccinated and the spread of disease. Vaccines are, incidentally, how smallpox was eliminated worldwide.

There is of course another angle to the conservative response to the pandemic. In far-right ideology, freedom – for white men especially – is an absolute goal. Even recognizing the systems in which we are all enmeshed might burden the free person with obligations to others and to the whole. Science itself is a series of descriptions of our enmeshedness: of how pesticides travel beyond the crops they’re sprayed on, of the way that fossil fuel emissions contribute to health problems and climate change, of how the spread of disease can be prevented by collective action. Rightwing ideology, after all, has emphasised the right to own and carry a gun over the right to be free of being menaced or murdered by guns, as thousands are in the US every year.

But just as the right to brandish guns is defended in the face of those gun deaths, so the right to contract and spread a sometimes lethal and often debilitating disease is defended as the antithesis of the responsibility not to do so. It’s safe to assume that the Republican leadership knows better, and that some of their followers do and some don’t. Some have chosen to engage in biological warfare; some are merely tools being used in that warfare. That is, some of them are unwitting corpses being catapulted over the walls, unconscious smallpox blankets; some of them are Amherst in spirit. Those using fake vaccine cards – as college students, and two recent travelers from the US to Canada have – are definitely Amhersts.

Covid-19 is far from the first time people have decided to profit from promoting the death of others: the fossil fuel industry plunging ahead while fully aware that climate catastrophe was the consequence of its product is the most extreme example. Manufacturers of guns and prescription opiates have done so as well. But it might be the first time that a new threat has been so dramatically increased not by direct profiteers but by those selling ideology and sowing division.

Measuring the impact of the pandemic by its death toll leaves out other impacts that matter: millions of schoolchildren isolated and undereducated, millions of parents exhausted by double duty, millions of small businesses shuttered, millions unemployed and impoverished, their dreams crushed, millions isolated and anxious, millions grieving the dead. Medical workers who were selflessly heroic the first time around are demoralized now that the hospitalized are so often people who could have been vaccinated, could have been careful, but chose not to. The poison runs through everything. Some of it was spread on purpose.

Two shots of the vaccine provide the same protection for someone who never had covid, as a single shot will for someone who has had it. Those who were previously infected with covid still need to get vaccinated.
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The world is nowhere near the end of the pandemic, says famed epidemiologist Larry Brilliant

KEY POINTS

• The pandemic is not coming to an end soon — given that only a small proportion of the world’s population has been vaccinated, said Larry Brilliant, a well-known epidemiologist.
• Brilliant, who was part of the WHO team that helped eradicate smallpox, said the delta variant is “maybe the most contagious virus” ever.
• The doctor said vaccinated people aged 65 and have a weakened immune system should get a booster shot “right away.”

The pandemic is not coming to an end soon — given that only a small proportion of the world population has been vaccinated against Covid-19, a well-known epidemiologist told CNBC.

Dr. Larry Brilliant, an epidemiologist who was part of the World Health Organization’s team that helped eradicate smallpox, said the delta variant is “maybe the most contagious virus” ever.

In recent months, the U.S., India and China, as well as other countries in Europe, Africa and Asia have been grappling with a highly transmissible delta variant of the virus.

WHO declared Covid-19 a global pandemic last March — after the disease, which first emerged in China in late 2019, spread throughout the world.

The good news is that vaccines — particularly those using messenger RNA technology and the one by Johnson & Johnson — are holding up against the delta variant, Brilliant told CNBC’s “Street Signs” on Friday.

Still, only 15% of the world population has been vaccinated and more than 100 countries have inoculated less than 5% of their people, noted Brilliant.

“I think we’re closer to the beginning than we are to the end [of the pandemic], and that’s not because the variant that we’re looking at right now is going to last that long,” said Brilliant, who is now the founder and CEO of a pandemic response consultancy, Pandefense Advisory.

“Unless we vaccinate everyone in 200 plus countries, there will still be new variants,” he said, predicting that the coronavirus will eventually become a “forever virus” like influenza.

Probability of ‘super variant’
Brilliant said his models on the Covid outbreak in San Francisco and New York predict an “inverted V-shape epidemic curve.” That implies that infections increase very quickly, but would also decline rapidly, he explained.

If the prediction turns out be true, it means that the delta variant spreads so quickly that “it basically runs out of candidates” to infect, explained Brilliant.

There appears to be a similar pattern in the U.K. and India, where the spread of the delta variant has receded from recent highs.

Daily reported cases in the U.K. — on a seven-day moving average basis — fell from a peak of around 47,700 cases on July 21 to around 26,000 cases on Thursday, according to statistics compiled by online database Our World in Data.

In India, the seven-day moving average of daily reported cases has stayed below 50,000 since late June — far below the peak of more than 390,000 a day in May, the data showed.

“That may mean that this is a six-month phenomenon in a country, rather than a two-year phenomenon. But I do caution people that this is the delta variant and we have not run out of Greek letters so there may be more to come,” he said.

The epidemiologist said there is a low probability that a “super variant” may emerge and vaccines don’t work against it. While it’s hard to predict these things, he added, it’s a non-zero probability, which means it cannot be ruled out.

“It’s such a catastrophic event should it occur, we have to do everything possible to prevent it,” said Brilliant. “And that means get everyone vaccinated — not just in your neighborhood, not just in your family, not just in your country but all over the world.”

Covid vaccine boosters
Some countries with relatively high vaccination rates such as the U.S. and Israel are planning booster shots for their population. Others, such as Haiti, only recently secured their first batch of vaccine doses.

WHO has called on wealthy countries to hold off on Covid vaccine boosters to give low-income countries a chance to vaccinate their people.

It Was A Superspreader Event in 2020. Now It’s Roaring Back In Time For Delta.

The annual motorcycle rally in Sturgis, South Dakota wound up being one of the most catastrophic pandemic events of 2020. So, what’s going to happen this year with the highly transmissible delta variant tearing through the country?

DIY-HP-LED said:

Why bet on it when you can bolster natural immunity by getting the vaccine and thus have exceptional immunity. If you get delta covid after vaccination, it will also most likely boost your immunity too and for most folks that would be about it.

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that would require logic.

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Is North Carolina already at herd immunity? May 27, 2021
Today North Carolina should hit a new threshold in the Covid-19 era: over a million confirmed cases since the pandemic began. But North Carolina may already be at a more important threshold: herd immunity.

From President Joe Biden all the way down to Gov. Roy Cooper and the “vaccine passports” people, the focus on Covid-19 vaccination has ignored the very important other prong of community immunity: people with natural immunity from Covid.

Dr. Marty Makary, professor at the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, Bloomberg School of Public Health and Carey School of Business, wrote recently in the Wall Street Journal about herd immunity from Covid driven by natural immunity:

“Natural immunity after Covid-19 infection is likely lifelong, extrapolating from data on other coronaviruses that cause severe illness, SARS and MERS,” says Monica Gandhi, an infectious-disease physician and professor at the University of California.

Lifelong immunity truly is lifelong. As the Mayo Clinic page on “Herd Immunity and COVID-19” pointed out as recently as April 14, “those who survived the 1918 flu (influenza) pandemic were later immune to infection with the H1N1 flu, a subtype of influenza A.” For how long was that natural immunity still going strong? The H1N1 flu was during the 2009-10 flu season. That natural immunity was still active over 90 years later.

Nevertheless, obtaining lifelong immunity from a terrible infectious disease is dearly bought if done by contracting and surviving the disease. As explained by the CDC above, vaccines work by replicating natural immunity through the “introduction of a killed or weakened form of the disease organism through vaccination (vaccine-induced immunity).”

The point is, vaccine-induced immunity is to approximate natural immunity. Natural immunity isn’t an afterthought. It’s the gold standard with respect to being immune.

Is North Carolina already at herd immunity?

Today North Carolina should hit a new threshold in the Covid-19 era: over a million confirmed cases since the pandemic began. But North Carolina may already be at a more important threshold: herd immunity. From President Joe Biden all the way down to Gov. Roy Cooper and the "vaccine passports"...

www.carolinajournal.com

Heard Dr. Marty Makary in an interview on Fox commenting on Biden and Florida, saying that people that had covid probably have natural immunity for life, even with Delta. So I looked him up. He was quoted in this article from spring. Seems NC have probably acquired herd immunity back then. So I looked at their cases.

CDC maps show COVID-19 situation in NC worsening by the day Aug 8, 2021

The number of counties now seeing high levels of COVID-19 transmission are up.

The CDC county transmission map has shown that no county in North Carolina is anywhere close to putting the COVID-19 pandemic behind them. The number of cases and percentage of tests coming back positive is looking worse by the day.

“I just want people to mask up and get vaccinated. This is just, it just sad,” said Dr. Paul Delamater, an associate professor of geography at UNC-Chapel Hill.

Delamater has been mapping and tracking COVID-19 across the state for the last year. He says low vaccine levels and the circulating delta variant are deteriorating the state’s COVID-19 situation.

“[Cases are] just going straight up,” he said.

Almost no good progress is happening anywhere.

“People really need to think about not just what is happening right there in their county but what’s happening in the counties around them and make decisions based on that,” said Delamater.

CDC maps show COVID-19 situation in NC worsening by the day

The number of cases and percentage of tests coming back positive is looking worse by the day.

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From the CDC today.

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I think anyone that has Dr. Marty Makary, professor at the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, as a teacher should get their money back.

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that right there is a man made disaster.

Fogdog said:

that right there is a man made disaster.

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someone's fvcking with you..the doctors last name is 'mockery' they just spelled it different.

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get ready..it's this Friday..Friday the 13th..pinch me.

Dallas schools to defy governor's order and require masks
A Dallas school district is defying Texas Gov. Greg Abbott's (R) ban on mask mandates in schools and will require all staff, students and visitors to wear face coverings on district property beginning Tuesday.

The Dallas Independent School District (ISD) said the new measure comes as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and Dallas County health officials have increased the local COVID-19 alert to level red, and reported that hospitalizations are increasing at the quickest pace since the beginning of the pandemic, including among children.

The district noted in a statement that while no vaccines are authorized for children under the age of 12, “school attendance is mandatory, and virtual learning is not an option at this time.”


It said it will provide masks and sanitizer at buildings within the district and continue contact tracing in "keeping with the top priority of safeguarding the health and well-being of staff and students.”

The new policy comes after Abbott signed an executive order in May that prohibited “governmental entities in Texas,” including school districts, counties, cities, public health authorities and government officials, from imposing mask mandates.

The governor’s office said that individuals who try to violate the order by requiring masks be worn could be subject to a fine of up to $1,000.

DIY-HP-LED said:

I believe the jury is still out on that, I've seen lot's of conflicting research and the variants are in the mix too complicating questions about long term immunity. It appears the delta variant is causing breakthrough infections among those who had the original strain and ones immunity level appears to be dependent on how bad an infection they had.

Getting the unvaxxed vaxxed will reduce the amount of virus circulating and take the load off the hospitals. Low vaxx rates and no masks with delta overwhelm hospitals, mask mandates and shutdowns flow from that, as does all sorts of other shit. It would be nice to get near a hospital again and I'm over due for an actual doctor's visit, not telemedicine.

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there is nothing in an office or hospital you want- germs.

i get telemedicine from every doctor except PT and MRI, EEG etc.

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Dallas schools to defy governor's order and require masks
A Dallas school district is defying Texas Gov. Greg Abbott's (R) ban on mask mandates in schools and will require all staff, students and visitors to wear face coverings on district property beginning Tuesday.

The Dallas Independent School District (ISD) said the new measure comes as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and Dallas County health officials have increased the local COVID-19 alert to level red, and reported that hospitalizations are increasing at the quickest pace since the beginning of the pandemic, including among children.

The district noted in a statement that while no vaccines are authorized for children under the age of 12, “school attendance is mandatory, and virtual learning is not an option at this time.”


It said it will provide masks and sanitizer at buildings within the district and continue contact tracing in "keeping with the top priority of safeguarding the health and well-being of staff and students.”

The new policy comes after Abbott signed an executive order in May that prohibited “governmental entities in Texas,” including school districts, counties, cities, public health authorities and government officials, from imposing mask mandates.

The governor’s office said that individuals who try to violate the order by requiring masks be worn could be subject to a fine of up to $1,000.

Dallas schools to defy governor’s order and require masks

A Dallas school district is defying Texas Gov. Greg Abbott’s (R) ban on mask mandates in schools and will require all staff, students and visitors to wear face coverings on district property …

thehill.com

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the governor is a man..just a man..so is the tweaker sitting outside the 7-11.