Pandemic 2020

captainmorgan said:

Arron Rogers has two covid toes that he claims are more painful than turf toe, I don't care.

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You have to be in peak condition to play in the big leagues, covid can easily fuck him out of a job without too much damage. Covid might be a career ender for some athletes, some could require amputations, but most will have their lungs fucked.

DIY-HP-LED said:

You have to be in peak condition to play in the big leagues, covid can easily fuck him out of a job without too much damage. Covid might be a career ender for some athletes, some could require amputations, but most will have their lungs fucked.

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Lewis Hamilton (F1 driver) says he is not over his case from last year.

DIY-HP-LED said:

You have to be in peak condition to play in the big leagues, covid can easily fuck him out of a job without too much damage. Covid might be a career ender for some athletes, some could require amputations, but most will have their lungs fucked.

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I have a friend who is a doctor specializing in diving medicine. Interesting specialty, he treats professional and serious sports divers.


He told me recently that not ONE of his patients who have contracted covid and saw fit to see him even if they never visited a hospital was fit to dive in any capacity. Not a single one.

canndo said:

I have a friend who is a doctor specializing in diving medicine. Interesting specialty, he treats professional and serious sports divers.


He told me recently that not ONE of his patients who have contracted covid and saw fit to see him even if they never visited a hospital was fit to dive in any capacity. Not a single one.

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Sounds like a high-pressure job.

CatHedral said:

Sounds like a high-pressure job.

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Fogdog said:

You touch on the contradiction that I'm talking about.

New information is coming available every day so maybe I'm just looking at old data that has gone stale. The stats I've seen every time I look for relative rates of infection between vaxxed and not look like this:

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New data dashboard tracks COVID-19 risk for unvaccinated people compared to vaccinated people – PUBLIC HEALTH INSIDER

Since July, COVID-19, cases have increased rapidly in King County. The worsening outbreak is affecting all of us. And, people who are not fully vaccinated are getting seriously ill and dying at much higher rates than the vaccinated population. That's clear on a new data dashboard, which shows...

publichealthinsider.com

These graphs show how much faster the virus is spreading among unvaccinated people, compared with vaccinated people of the same age. On July 1, the case rate among unvaccinated people was about 8 cases per 100,000 people per day, while among the vaccinated it was less than 1 case. Over the next two months, cases spiked among unvaccinated people, increasing by an additional 82 cases per 100,000 people, per day. Cases rose among vaccinated people, too, but much more gently: By late August, the rate went up by just 8 additional cases per 100,000, per day. 

That surge beginning in July was due to the effect of Delta variant. Still, the rate of new infections, unvaxxed vs vaxxed is at least 8:1 or maybe 10:1.
Data like this is always old before it can be published. So maybe the numbers will begin to merge as more information is available but I'm not seeing parity in rates of new infections. Not yet.

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As you know the vaccines don’t work 100%. If 100% of the population is vaccinated, 100% of the infected are vaccinated people. When 80% is vaccinated, and it works for 75% of them, there’s not just parity in theory, the vaccinated are in reality less careful, test less often, and often don’t even notice they are sick. Which makes corona passports or lockdowns for only unvaccinated a very bad idea (need to test for access). Vaccination does not equal immunity and vaccination does not end infections. Both are required for herd immunity.

A recent study in the UK determined someone living with an infected person has 38% chance to get infected if unvaccinated and 25% if vaccinated. The difference is not so large as we’d want because of the frequent contact, similar to living in a densely populated area during a surge, or going to a nightclub with ironically only vaccinated people.

While it spreads faster amongst unvaccinated, it seems they are merely a catalyst for an otherwise inevitable surge. Once enough people are infected, it will find its way to that portion of the population that is vaccinated but not successfully protected (which varies by vaccine, age, how long ago they got the shot etc). That still vulnerable portion is larger than the unvaccinated portion of the entire population in areas with high vax rates. Eventually more vaccinated getting infected than unvaccinated was expected.

And I hear you on numbers getting old fast in this matter. The latest I’ve seen on hospitalizations over october shows 55% was vaccinated and 44% was not. So we almost reached parity with hospitalizations a month ago. In absolute numbers that is. Relatively, out of 15% unvaccinated, more people ended up in a hospital due to corona than out of the 85% of the population that is fully vaccinated. I don’t have a similar graph (vaccination status isn’t always know until the infected gets really sick or dies), but there is no unambiguous difference between municipalities with low and high vax rates here.

To reach parity in hospitalizations, given the fact vaccinated are less likely to be hospitalized, there have to be more, many more, vaccinated people who got infected than unvaccinated.

This is Portugal, touted as the champion of vaccination in europe, with almost no adult left to vaccinate and over 10% of the population was previously infected. The number of cases today is closing in on what it was when they had only 50% fully vaccinated. Other countries with high vax rates such as the UK show similar results.



So the general consensus is swiftly turning into get vaxxed and booster to prepare yourself for when you get infect. If not this season, then next, or the next after…

Sativied said:

As you know the vaccines don’t work 100%. If 100% of the population is vaccinated, 100% of the infected are vaccinated people. When 80% is vaccinated, and it works for 75% of them, there’s not just parity in theory, the vaccinated are in reality less careful, test less often, and often don’t even notice they are sick. Which makes corona passports or lockdowns for only unvaccinated a very bad idea (need to test for access). Vaccination does not equal immunity and vaccination does not end infections. Both are required for herd immunity.

A recent study in the UK determined someone living with an infected person has 38% chance to get infected if unvaccinated and 25% if vaccinated. The difference is not so large as we’d want because of the frequent contact, similar to living in a densely populated area during a surge, or going to a nightclub with ironically only vaccinated people.

While it spreads faster amongst unvaccinated, it seems they are merely a catalyst for an otherwise inevitable surge. Once enough people are infected, it will find its way to that portion of the population that is vaccinated but not successfully protected (which varies by vaccine, age, how long ago they got the shot etc). That still vulnerable portion is larger than the unvaccinated portion of the entire population in areas with high vax rates. Eventually more vaccinated getting infected than unvaccinated was expected.

And I hear you on numbers getting old fast in this matter. The latest I’ve seen on hospitalizations over october shows 55% was vaccinated and 44% was not. So we almost reached parity with hospitalizations a month ago. In absolute numbers that is. Relatively, out of 15% unvaccinated, more people ended up in a hospital due to corona than out of the 85% of the population that is fully vaccinated. I don’t have a similar graph (vaccination status isn’t always know until the infected gets really sick or dies), but there is no unambiguous difference between municipalities with low and high vax rates here.

To reach parity in hospitalizations, given the fact vaccinated are less likely to be hospitalized, there have to be more, many more, vaccinated people who got infected than unvaccinated.

This is Portugal, touted as the champion of vaccination in europe, with almost no adult left to vaccinate and over 10% of the population was previously infected. The number of cases today is closing in on what it was when they had only 50% fully vaccinated. Other countries with high vax rates such as the UK show similar results.

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So the general consensus is swiftly turning into get vaxxed and booster to prepare yourself for when you get infect. If not this season, then next, or the next after…

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Yup, every single person on the planet Earth will get Covid-19 or a variant such as Delta at one time or another.
Shit, it is even in the Amazon, infecting tribes that have little or no exposure to the outside world.
This shit is nasty & nothing can stop it.
All we can do now is lower the death toll.
That is indisputable
Only if everyone is vaccinated can the deaths be limited/decline.
That also is indisputable
Get jabbed & save someone
It's that simple

Anti-vaxer Arron Rodgers doesn't have covid toe, he has a fractured toe. He went on the Pat McAfee podcast and said he had covid toe the other day, apparently he was joking or being sarcastic but never let anyone else in on the joke. Now after reporters saw him say this on tape and picked up the story the anti-vaxer retard says the woke media is spreading disinformation about him and he wants a apologee from the reporter and the paper. On a side note, the retard anti-vaxer named a reporter that did not write the story. The only people spreading disinformation about about the retard anti-vaxer is the retard himself, he lied about being vaccinated,he lied about having covid toe and he lied about who wrote the story, he's a liar.

New COVID-19 variant detected in South Africa, scientists say
“Here is a mutation variant of serious concern,” South African Health Minister Joe Phaahla said at the media briefing, Bloomberg reported. “We were hopeful that we might have a longer break in between waves — possibly that it would hold off to late December or even next year January.”

Tulio de Oliveira, a bio-informatics professor at two universities in South Africa, said the new variant is called B.1.1529 and is “clearly very different” from past mutations of the coronavirus, with a larger number of mutations compared to previous variants such as delta.

Francois Balloux, director of the UCL Genetics Institute, said the new variant was likely created in an immunocompromised person who can carry the virus for longer than normal.
It could have developed in someone who was untreated for AIDS/HIV as South Africa has struggled to combat the coronavirus along with having the world's highest rate of AIDS, according to Bloomberg.

The World Health Organization said in a statement other cases of the new variant were also detected in Botswana.
Anne von Gottberg, a clinical microbiologist and head of respiratory diseases at the National Institute for Communicable Diseases, said there have so far been 100 cases linked to the new variant, which will receive a Greek letter name soon.
It is not yet clear how the coronavirus vaccines will work against the new variant or the danger the mutation presents to other countries.

On the B.1.1529 lineage in Botswana:
Prof Francois Balloux, Professor of Computational Systems Biology and Director, UCL Genetics Institute, UCL, said:

“B.1.1529 is a new lineage that has been found in Botswana that carries an unusual constellation of mutations. Given the large number of mutations it has accumulated apparently in a single burst, it likely evolved during a chronic infection of an immunocompromised person, possibly in an untreated HIV/AIDS patient.

“It is difficult to know what to make of the carriage of both P681H and N679K. It is a combination we see only exceptionally rarely. I suspect it is generally not ‘stable’, but it might be so, in combination with other mutations/deletions.

“I would definitely expect it to be poorly recognised by neutralising antibodies relative to Alpha or Delta. It is difficult to predict how transmissible it may be at this stage.

“So far, four strains have been sequenced in a region of Sub-Saharan with reasonable surveillance in place. It may be present in other parts of Africa.

“For the time being, it should be closely monitored and analysed, but there is no reason to get overly concerned, unless it starts going up in frequency in the near future.”

Sativied said:

As you know the vaccines don’t work 100%. If 100% of the population is vaccinated, 100% of the infected are vaccinated people. When 80% is vaccinated, and it works for 75% of them, there’s not just parity in theory, the vaccinated are in reality less careful, test less often, and often don’t even notice they are sick. Which makes corona passports or lockdowns for only unvaccinated a very bad idea (need to test for access). Vaccination does not equal immunity and vaccination does not end infections. Both are required for herd immunity.

A recent study in the UK determined someone living with an infected person has 38% chance to get infected if unvaccinated and 25% if vaccinated. The difference is not so large as we’d want because of the frequent contact, similar to living in a densely populated area during a surge, or going to a nightclub with ironically only vaccinated people.

While it spreads faster amongst unvaccinated, it seems they are merely a catalyst for an otherwise inevitable surge. Once enough people are infected, it will find its way to that portion of the population that is vaccinated but not successfully protected (which varies by vaccine, age, how long ago they got the shot etc). That still vulnerable portion is larger than the unvaccinated portion of the entire population in areas with high vax rates. Eventually more vaccinated getting infected than unvaccinated was expected.

And I hear you on numbers getting old fast in this matter. The latest I’ve seen on hospitalizations over october shows 55% was vaccinated and 44% was not. So we almost reached parity with hospitalizations a month ago. In absolute numbers that is. Relatively, out of 15% unvaccinated, more people ended up in a hospital due to corona than out of the 85% of the population that is fully vaccinated. I don’t have a similar graph (vaccination status isn’t always know until the infected gets really sick or dies), but there is no unambiguous difference between municipalities with low and high vax rates here.

To reach parity in hospitalizations, given the fact vaccinated are less likely to be hospitalized, there have to be more, many more, vaccinated people who got infected than unvaccinated.

This is Portugal, touted as the champion of vaccination in europe, with almost no adult left to vaccinate and over 10% of the population was previously infected. The number of cases today is closing in on what it was when they had only 50% fully vaccinated. Other countries with high vax rates such as the UK show similar results.

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So the general consensus is swiftly turning into get vaxxed and booster to prepare yourself for when you get infect. If not this season, then next, or the next after…

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Thanks for the careful and well written post. I'm vaxxed but still being careful. My 17 YO is also vaxxed but going to school and I can only guess that he's being a teenager. We all know what that means. From what you say, it's only a matter of time before the live virus crosses my threshold.

Oh well,

Fogdog said:

Thanks for the careful and well written post. I'm vaxxed but still being careful. My 17 YO is also vaxxed but going to school and I can only guess that he's being a teenager. We all know what that means. From what you say, it's only a matter of time before the live virus crosses my threshold.

Oh well,

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And now this new variant from South Africa. Time to review and renew one’s mask discipline.

CatHedral said:

And now this new variant from South Africa. Time to review and renew one’s mask discipline.

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17 YO going to do what he going to do. He was very good about the lockdown and we've had our struggles with online learning so without question, he's attending school. He's vaxxed, not time for a booster but we'll have him in for that when he's due. He knows what he should do and has done so until now. For his own personal health, I'm not holding him to sheltering in place. I'm going to trust him when he's out and about with his school buddies. I'm trying not to make this a point of contention between us. If it happens, it happens and we all will deal with the consequences.

I go to work as does my wife. It's here for good. I don't see any chance that this country gets past 90% fully vaccinated.

1 chart shows how quickly a booster shot can improve immunity, with some extra protection in just a few days

Booster shots are being offered to all US adults.

Studies suggest boosts can improve protection against symptomatic COVID-19, at least temporarily, with benefits beginning to accrue after a few days.

It's unknown how durable booster shot protection will be, but scientists are hopeful.

Two shots are good, but when it comes to preventing symptomatic COVID-19 infections, three may be even better.

It's tough to say what the long-term benefit of coronavirus booster shots will be, because no one has had COVID-19 boosts in their system for long. But immunologists generally agree that boosting people many months after they are first vaccinated gives a jolt to the immune system.

Early-stage booster shot studies from around the world are starting to suggest that the protection people get when they have an additional shot months after their first vaccination course is more potent, sending antibody levels soaring to new heights, and (at least temporarily) bolstering protection against COVID-19.
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Covid: New heavily mutated variant B.1.1.529 in South Africa raises concern
The latest is the most heavily mutated version discovered so far - and it has such a long list of mutations that it was described by one scientist as "horrific", while another told me it was the worst variant they'd seen.

It is also incredibly heavily mutated. Prof Tulio de Oliveira, the director of the Centre for Epidemic Response and Innovation in South Africa, said there was an "unusual constellation of mutations" and that it was "very different" to other variants that have circulated.

"This variant did surprise us, it has a big jump on evolution [and] many more mutations that we expected," he said.
In a media briefing Prof de Oliveira said there were 50 mutations overall and more than 30 on the spike protein, which is the target of most vaccines and the key the virus uses to unlock the doorway into our body's cells.

Zooming in even further to the receptor binding domain (that's the part of the virus that makes first contact with our body's cells), it has 10 mutations compared to just two for the Delta variant that swept the world.

This level of mutation has most likely come from a single patient who was unable to beat the virus.
A lot of mutation doesn't automatically mean: bad. It is important to know what those mutations are actually doing.

There have been many examples of variants that have seemed scary on paper, but came to nothing. The Beta variant was at the top of people's concerns at the beginning of the year because it was the best at escaping the immune system. But in the end it was the faster-spreading Delta that took over the world.

Prof Ravi Gupta, from the University of Cambridge, said: "Beta was all immune escape and nothing else, Delta had infectivity and modest immune escape, this potentially has both to high degrees."

This looks really bad.

The Nu variant might be the nightmare variant we've been worried about, spreads like wildfire and evades the current treatments and vaccines. From my early reading it sounds bad but the number of cases are still small so it's going to take some time to access things.

Looks like the world made a big mistake by not trying to cure HIV. It was much cheaper to ignore all the poor blacks in Africa dying from AIDS let alone the drug addicts and gay men. Now that South Africa has become the center for HIV it has become a perfect breeding ground for new covid variants with a large population of immune compromised people to mutate in, chickens coming home to roost.

I think there needs to be a more global effort to wipe out covid by mass manufacturing advanced vaccines, treatments and aid to poor countries. We need more of a WW2 type international mass mobilization of resources, every time this thing mutates it gets worse.

This has a lot of people worried and is a very good reason to vaccinate the globe with better vaccines and they are in the R&D pipeline.
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Sativied said:

So the general consensus is swiftly turning into get vaxxed and booster to prepare yourself for when you get infect. If not this season, then next, or the next after…

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Nicely put together. Gave me a better outlook on this. It's fitting right in with our "common" flu. You will get it.

Fogdog said:

I go to work as does my wife. It's here for good. I don't see any chance that this country gets past 90% fully vaccinated.

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No. It's possible. As the un-vaccinated die the percentage of vaccinated will naturally increase.