PH Question: General Hydroponics Flora vs. Advance Nutrients Jungle Juice

Quintana

Quintana

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On my latest grow I've been using GH Flora this time instead of the usual AN Jungle Juice. The guy at the hydro store told me that they're essentially the same with regard to nutrients, but I noticed that the PH seems off. My local water is super clean and has always had a PH of 7. I'm growing in Mother Earth Coco Peat. I'm week 4 in bloom phase using Flora series and AN Bud Candy (Which has worked wonders for my plants in the past).

When I used the Flora series I noticed that my PH drops down to like 4.5, but when I was using AN it was perfect at 5.8 - 6.2 depending on the grow cycle. Anyone else experience a significant swing in PH with GH Flora Series? I never needed to use PH Down before now, but at this point I'm using it every time I feed.

I searched for an answer on any other forums, but couldn't find anything. If you know where this has been addressed before, I'm happy to jump over there and delete this thread to keep the site clean. Thanks in advance.
 
Aeroknow

Aeroknow

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Quintana said:
On my latest grow I've been using GH Flora this time instead of the usual AN Jungle Juice. The guy at the hydro store told me that they're essentially the same with regard to nutrients, but I noticed that the PH seems off. My local water is super clean and has always had a PH of 7. I'm growing in Mother Earth Coco Peat. I'm week 4 in bloom phase using Flora series and AN Bud Candy (Which has worked wonders for my plants in the past).

When I used the Flora series I noticed that my PH drops down to like 4.5, but when I was using AN it was perfect at 5.8 - 6.2 depending on the grow cycle. Anyone else experience a significant swing in PH with GH Flora Series? I never needed to use PH Down before now, but at this point I'm using it every time I feed.

I searched for an answer on any other forums, but couldn't find anything. If you know where this has been addressed before, I'm happy to jump over there and delete this thread to keep the site clean. Thanks in advance.
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That’s very strange that your starting water is 7.0 and after adding the flora series it’s that low. What EC are you shooting for? If you’re adding too much nutes that could make your ph lower than normal.

I’ve grown in many different cities that had 7.0 tap and used the flora series. I always shoot for around 1.7 EC and usually still had to add a little ph down.
 
Quintana

Quintana

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Aeroknow said:
That’s very strange that your starting water is 7.0 and after adding the flora series it’s that low. What EC are you shooting for? If you’re adding too much nutes that could make your ph lower than normal.

I’ve grown in many different cities that had 7.0 tap and used the flora series. I always shoot for around 1.7 EC and usually still had to add a little ph down.
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I should clarify. My water base is 7.0, when I add the nutes it drops to 4.5. 3 points seems like a lot. Also, I’m adding only 75% of recommended feed from GH.
 
Flatrate

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Thats weird. My tap base is 7.5 and my flower mix with Flora is 5-5-7 and that drops me to 6.2.
 
Quintana

Quintana

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xtsho said:
That's odd. I used GH for awhile with water around 7.0. I always had to add pH down to drop the pH to 6.0.
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Exactly, I can’t figure out what’s happening. I shake the bottles every feeding and PH the water, but for some reason it’s just dropping a ton when the nutes are added specifically the bloom nutrients. PPM is at 1100 so it’s not terribly over saturated.
 
Quintana

Quintana

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xtsho said:
pH after adding the nutes.
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I usually adjust after I add nutes, but I’ve done it both ways just to see if that’s the issue and I’m getting the same result.

I picked up AN jungle juice and I’m going to see if switching nutes helps the situation. I’ve had good results with Jungle Juice in the past and haven’t had to mess with PH up/down. I’ll report back what I find on my next feeding.

it’s got me wondering if the municipality is putting some additive in the water supply.
 
xtsho

xtsho

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Quintana said:
I’be done it both ways to see if that’s the issue and I’m getting the same result. I picked up AN jungle juice. Going to see if switching nutes helps the situation. I’ve had good results with Jungle Juice in the past and not had to mess with PH up/down.

it’s got me wondering if the municipality is putting some additive in the water supply.
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Chlorine and fluoride would be the only things that would be added and the water is then pH'd to whatever it is coming out of your tap.
 
Quintana

Quintana

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xtsho said:
Chlorine and fluoride would be the only things that would be added and the water is then pH'd to whatever it is coming out of your tap.
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That’s what I figured. I’m going to give AN a try and see if that does anything different. Thanks for your help and the time!
 
xtsho

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Quintana said:
I know that advanced nutrients has a pH perfect line, I wasn’t sure if that applied to the Jungle Juice nutrients. Maybe that’s the key!
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It doesn't.

From their website:

Will I need to Adjust the pH?
Yes. Since this product is geared for “old school” 3-part nutrient users, Jungle Juice Grow, Micro, Bloom does not automatically balance the pH. However, it’s worth noting that Jungle Juice Grow, Micro, Bloom is fully compatible with our entire range of additives.
Recommend pH ranges are typically 5.6 in Hydroponics, 5.8-6.0 in, Coco Coir, and 6.3 in Soil
 
Rurumo

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Your tap water probably just has a very low alkalinity. San Francisco's tap water used to have a very low alkalinity when I lived there, though I've heard they started adding a percentage of groundwater to their mix specifically to raise the alkalinity, probably for the sake of their pipes. Some people might have the same PH but different buffering capacities to their water.
 
OldMedUser

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Quintana said:
I know that advanced nutrients has a pH perfect line, I wasn’t sure if that applied to the Jungle Juice nutrients. Maybe that’s the key!
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I've been using the 3-part pH Perfect for the last 6 years and the Connoisseur for a couple years before that. I just got the Jungle Juice 3-part and it's not pH Perfect but has the same formulation as the old 3-part AN which I had used since 2001. Same NPK ratios as the GH. I haven't checked the pH of the JJ with RO water yet but that's on my to-do list before I start using it. The pH Perfect 3-part is about half the strength as JJ.

I wrote this up a year ago for another post and saved it.

"I've been using AN 3-part for 20 years. I bought gal jugs about 5 years ago and just now noticed that the N-P-K ratios have changed but I've been using it just like the older stuff that has the same ratios as the Jungle Juice and the GH 3-part. This may explain some of the problems I've seen in flowering especially when I switch to Lucas Formula feeding after the stretch. I have 1L bottles of the older pre-pH Perfect 3-part and dug them out to check.

Old AN, Jungle Juice and GH 3-part are; Grow - 2-1-6, Micro - 5-0-1, Bloom - 2-5-4

My 5 yo AN 3-part pH Perfect is Grow - 1-0-4, Micro - 2-0-0, Bloom - 1-3-4 (Has the Gorilla on the jugs)

Totally throws thing off to what I had become so accustomed to. I'm going to have to sit down and reformulate some of my mixes to be feeding each nute at the same ratios I was before. Much more diluted now too. With less than half the N as before it throws the Lucas feeding way off. No wonder the old leaves yellow out so fast and early.

I also have some REMO nutes from winning a 7 - 250ml bottle kit in a raffle at a hydro store I deal with and their ratios are different again.

G - 2-3-5
M - 3-0-1
B - 1-4-7

Flip a coin I guess or dust off the math books and nail it down. "

:peace:
 
Quintana

Quintana

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Rurumo said:
Your tap water probably just has a very low alkalinity. San Francisco's tap water used to have a very low alkalinity when I lived there, though I've heard they started adding a percentage of groundwater to their mix specifically to raise the alkalinity, probably for the sake of their pipes. Some people might have the same PH but different buffering capacities to their water.
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Interesting, I hadn’t considered this. My last couple grows were fine, but this could answer some of the mystery.
 
Quintana

Quintana

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OldMedUser said:
I've been using the 3-part pH Perfect for the last 6 years and the Connoisseur for a couple years before that. I just got the Jungle Juice 3-part and it's not pH Perfect but has the same formulation as the old 3-part AN which I had used since 2001. Same NPK ratios as the GH. I haven't checked the pH of the JJ with RO water yet but that's on my to-do list before I start using it. The pH Perfect 3-part is about half the strength as JJ.

I wrote this up a year ago for another post and saved it.

"I've been using AN 3-part for 20 years. I bought gal jugs about 5 years ago and just now noticed that the N-P-K ratios have changed but I've been using it just like the older stuff that has the same ratios as the Jungle Juice and the GH 3-part. This may explain some of the problems I've seen in flowering especially when I switch to Lucas Formula feeding after the stretch. I have 1L bottles of the older pre-pH Perfect 3-part and dug them out to check.

Old AN, Jungle Juice and GH 3-part are; Grow - 2-1-6, Micro - 5-0-1, Bloom - 2-5-4

My 5 yo AN 3-part pH Perfect is Grow - 1-0-4, Micro - 2-0-0, Bloom - 1-3-4 (Has the Gorilla on the jugs)

Totally throws thing off to what I had become so accustomed to. I'm going to have to sit down and reformulate some of my mixes to be feeding each nute at the same ratios I was before. Much more diluted now too. With less than half the N as before it throws the Lucas feeding way off. No wonder the old leaves yellow out so fast and early.

I also have some REMO nutes from winning a 7 - 250ml bottle kit in a raffle at a hydro store I deal with and their ratios are different again.

G - 2-3-5
M - 3-0-1
B - 1-4-7

Flip a coin I guess or dust off the math books and nail it down. "

:peace:
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Far out! Thanks for the info! On my next feeding I’m going to dial back my mix by 25% and see if that has an effect on ph. If not I’m going to sub the AN JJ for the GH Flora and see what’s happening.
 
Aeroknow

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Quintana said:
I should clarify. My water base is 7.0, when I add the nutes it drops to 4.5. 3 points seems like a lot. Also, I’m adding only 75% of recommended feed from GH.
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When you say 75% that depends on what feed chart you use nowadays.
50% of the original feed chart(3/2/1 and 2/2/2 and 1/2/3) was a total of 15ml per gallon. That was usually perfect. If you’re adding more than that, which i’ve found to be completely unnecessary and actually usually gonna start burning tips in all setups, could explain a lower ph than normal but not 4.5 from 7.0 tap water That’s weird. I’ve had well water that would give me problems never that bad though but never tap.
 
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