Photoperiod veg time?

coreywebster

coreywebster

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1. Is that a 1000w light that close to small plants?

2. Are you venting that heat out of your house?

Because it looks like your just heating your room with it and recirculating the hot air which will reach terminal temperature.

You don't take air temp readings by placing a thermometer in direct light, gives a false reading, Google stevenson screen

If your ballast is dimmable then get a 600w mh bulb for veg.
Go down to 18/6 hours so the warmest 6 hours of the day the lights are off.
When you switch to flower use the 1000w hps and lights off for warmest 12 hours of the day.

Sort your ventilation out so the heat is removed from the house.
 
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Jjgrow420

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Autos aren't 'small plants'. They veg just as fast or even faster then any other cannabis plant if cared for properly. This is the common misconception with autos that they're 'easy'. 'automatically get lbs' lol. If you don't know how to properly care for a plant you'll have teenie weenie autos. Photoperiod plants are more forgiving because YOU control when they flower. So you fuck up and you can wait an extra week or whatever and choose to flip.
 
xtsho

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coreywebster said:
1. Is that a 1000w light that close to small plants?

2. Are you venting that heat out of your house?

Because it looks like your just heating your room with it and recirculating the hot air which will reach terminal temperature.

You don't take air temp readings by placing a thermometer in direct light, gives a false reading, Google stevenson screen

If your ballast is dimmable then get a 600w mh bulb for veg.
Go down to 18/6 hours so the warmest 6 hours of the day the lights are off.
When you switch to flower use the 1000w hps and lights off for warmest 12 hours of the day.

Sort your ventilation out so the heat is removed from the house.
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I forgot to mention in my my previous post how close that light was.

A 1000 watt HID will grow some damn fine weed. But it's pure overkill for small plants and especially seedlings.

The entire setup is wrong and need to be corrected.
 
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DarkLordMelkor

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coreywebster said:
1. Is that a 1000w light that close to small plants?

2. Are you venting that heat out of your house?

Because it looks like your just heating your room with it and recirculating the hot air which will reach terminal temperature.

You don't take air temp readings by placing a thermometer in direct light, gives a false reading, Google stevenson screen

If your ballast is dimmable then get a 600w mh bulb for veg.
Go down to 18/6 hours so the warmest 6 hours of the day the lights are off.
When you switch to flower use the 1000w hps and lights off for warmest 12 hours of the day.

Sort your ventilation out so the heat is removed from the house.
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Yes. It's like 50 cm away from plants. Should i move it up? And no, exhaust fan is near the window. Hot air from cool tube and tent goes to outside. My ballast is not dimmable. I don't have MH. 18/6 or 12/12 isn't too less light for autos?

xtsho said:
I forgot to mention in my my previous post how close that light was.

A 1000 watt HID will grow some damn fine weed. But it's pure overkill for small plants and especially seedlings.

The entire setup is wrong and need to be corrected.
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Okay okay. I am moving light a bit higher.

Jjgrow420 said:
Autos aren't 'small plants'. They veg just as fast or even faster then any other cannabis plant if cared for properly. This is the common misconception with autos that they're 'easy'. 'automatically get lbs' lol. If you don't know how to properly care for a plant you'll have teenie weenie autos. Photoperiod plants are more forgiving because YOU control when they flower. So you fuck up and you can wait an extra week or whatever and choose to flip.
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That's why i made this thread. I will switch to photoperiods when these autos are done. I was going to kill little seedlings and put my photoperiods in soil but well, i want to try one more time with current seedlings.

Let me move that light a bit higher before f*ck up something else lol.
 
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sshortguy

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DarkLordMelkor said:
Hello there.

I was growing autos for first time and my first grow. I failed so bad. I got 10g per plant (two plants and total 20g) after 9 weeks under 1000w hps. I didn't gave any nutrients first 4 weeks and then i overwatered few times. So they are pretty small. Autoflowers not forgiving any mistakes. So i will go for photoperiods which is you can control many things better than autos.

So i will write what i have now and want to know your opinions about veg time and other things.

Grow Tent: 150x150x200cm (5x5x6.5 feet)
Pots : 6 gallon fabric pots (22 liters)
Strain: 6x Big Bud XXL (photoperiod)
Nutrients: Advanced Nutrients Perfect PH Grow, Micro, Bloom
Light: Philips 1000w HPS
Ballast: 1000w Magnetic Ballast
Cool Tube: Yes
Intake Ventilation: 180 m3 S&P TD-160 Silent Mini
Exhaust: 580 m3 S&P TD-500
Carbon Filter: 665 m3 carbon filter

So that's my setup. Now here is my questions.

1. How long to veg in 6 gal pots with 1000w HPS? I am thinking about 6 weeks of veg + SCROG net. Is that okay?
2. Can i easily hit 0.50 GPW with 6 weeks of veg with only using Advanced Nutrients PH Perfect Grow, Micro, Bloom?
3. I have heat issues. Even with 580 m3 exhaust fan, it's still 30-35C inside grow tent when it's closed (RH is between 30 at day times, 60 at night times). Is that really big issue? It might go higher at summer peak (Jun, July, August).

Thanks.
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photos can take a long time it took 7 months to get to maturity, a lot faster than autos, I have a few photos that were supposed to be autos waited to flower but didn't, I tried to get help but none were available here, I got 100 different answers the lights are far away from the plants, 1000 watt hps is too much for a tent, especially in a 4 x 4 or similar will burn the tent, a 400 watt is appropriate from the old school growers like Chong & Gillman, I'll be really scared to run a 100-watt HPS in a grow tent that is extremely dangerous, DON'T YOU WATCH THE VIDEOS ON YOUTUBE ON Tommy Chong's gardens Gillman's, & Kushman's? you will learn a lot more to observe
 
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coreywebster

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DarkLordMelkor said:
Yes. It's like 50 cm away from plants. Should i move it up? And no, exhaust fan is near the window. Hot air from cool tube and tent goes to outside. My ballast is not dimmable. I don't have MH. 18/6 or 12/12 isn't too less light for autos?



Okay okay. I am moving light a bit higher.



That's why i made this thread. I will switch to photoperiods when these autos are done. I was going to kill little seedlings and put my photoperiods in soil but well, i want to try one more time with current seedlings.

Let me move that light a bit higher before f*ck up something else lol.
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In regard to light schedule, I'm talking about when you switch to photo periods and trying yo offer solutions to your heat problem so you can produce better results.

Being near a window isn't good enough, the heat needs to be ducted out of the window so it can't come back.
That's the first solution in most cases.

If however your house is already at 25 degrees C air temp because you live in a hot environment then the only real solution is AC because your only ever going to be able to get the tent as cool as the air going in.

Yes I would raise your light, not only is it very intense for such small plants but because cooltubes have poor light spread.
 
Bukvičák

Bukvičák

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DarkLordMelkor said:
Thanks for all replies. I found a solution: buying AC. It's already hitting to 38C in grow tent. Plugging intake and exhaust fan to cool tube didn't work well. I am going to buy cooler AC which also have humidifier inside with 8LT water and two ice container. I think that will work. So i don't need huge 8 inch fan anymore.

I was thinking to kill my new auto seedlings inside tent now because i didn't like autos but seems like i stressed them a lot with no feeding first 4 weeks, heat and RH issues. Maybe after fixing them, they will grow better.

Right now i have 4 seedlings under 1000w hps. Auto White Widow, Auto God's Glue, Auto Blue Amnesia, Auto Cheese Northern Lights. So i will keep growing them. Probably tomorrow i will have 25C inside grow tent with more than 50% RH. I dont want to loose my faith in this. Yeah this is first grow but it's stressing me more than plants lol.

I will write here tomorrow what's up with grow tent.
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Wait! Buy either LED or true AC. Do not waste your time and money on bullshit things which wont solve your issue. You can try to downsize to 600W and run it at night but if you live in hot area it still be on the edge of stress and there will be issues with RH later in flower. Botrytis is fast and Seedlings really do not need 1000W HPS. Like this you are set on failure… Mounting minisplit costs money and portable AC probably wont fit your tent and even if than you need at least dual hose, since single hose is enough for maybe drying. Probably LED is the best option. Good luck!
 
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DarkLordMelkor

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Hangng light to 100cm away reduced heat 2C more and i dont have RH problem at all now. well maybe a little but its 50% when lights on and up to 65% when lights off.

nobody commented on my 2 weeks old (16th day actually) autopilot XXL yet. and 7 days old white widows. if they look fine i will keep growing them.
 
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sshortguy

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DarkLordMelkor said:
Hangng light to 100cm away reduced heat 2C more and i dont have RH problem at all now. well maybe a little but its 50% when lights on and up to 65% when lights off.

nobody commented on my 2 weeks old (16th day actually) autopilot XXL yet. and 7 days old white widows. if they look fine i will keep growing them.
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don't feel bad I had a comment I even made a forum I got mixed responses that had nothing to do with the colas on the branches, I had it up for over a month, no serious response about burning colas, which you can see the time-lapse by the dates, this was a test to see if anyone could give me a correct response, I'll tell them, it was a common issue light being too close, I got more of a nitrogen deficiencies ones which weren't, I had the fertilizer set to flower cutting down the " nitrogen' in flowering not increasing it, so that forum wasn't any help, be honest I learned more by reading & watching the pros dealing with their gardens. I learned by watching & doing
 

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Herb & Suds

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sshortguy said:
don't feel bad I had a comment I even made a forum I got mixed responses that had nothing to do with the colas on the branches, I had it up for over a month, no serious response about burning colas, which you can see the time-lapse by the dates, this was a test to see if anyone could give me a correct response, I'll tell them, it was a common issue light being too close, I got more of a nitrogen deficiencies ones which weren't, I had the fertilizer set to flower cutting down the " nitrogen' in flowering not increasing it, so that forum wasn't any help, be honest I learned more by reading & watching the pros dealing with their gardens. I learned by watching & doing
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Funny most of you post are bitchin about this forum
You are asking about tiny plants having deficiencies and contradicting any ideas with “grandpas thoughts “
Maybe you should just let him solve all your issues that way you can stop feeling abused
Good luck
 
Herb & Suds

Herb & Suds

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xtsho said:
I forgot to mention in my my previous post how close that light was.

A 1000 watt HID will grow some damn fine weed. But it's pure overkill for small plants and especially seedlings.

The entire setup is wrong and need to be corrected.
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DarkLordMelkor said:
Hangng light to 100cm away reduced heat 2C more and i dont have RH problem at all now. well maybe a little but its 50% when lights on and up to 65% when lights off.

nobody commented on my 2 weeks old (16th day actually) autopilot XXL yet. and 7 days old white widows. if they look fine i will keep growing them.
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Oh I think you got advice you just didn’t like it
 
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DarkLordMelkor

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Herb & Suds said:
Oh I think you got advice you just didn’t like it
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i am trying to do all advices. exhaust fan iş out of window now and no Air comes back to tent now. hanging light more far away from plants. solved RH and heat issues for now until heat rises in where i am living at.

now need to take care of seedlings or kill them and switch to photos. i will keep going 2-3 more weeks and start lst with 2 week old plant i have now (she will be 4 weeks old then)

if dont like results i will start över with photos.

just New on growing. dont blame me just help me please :)
 
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sshortguy

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Herb & Suds said:
Funny most of you post are bitchin about this forum
You are asking about tiny plants having deficiencies and contradicting any ideas with “grandpas thoughts “
Maybe you should just let him solve all your issues that way you can stop feeling abused
Good luck
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which a lot of those that don't know what they're seeing, maybe it's you that needs a break from here & go check out youtube, TBH. how can you learn anything on a word forum? you want to learn you have to do it YOURSELF, NO ONE IS GOING TO HOLD YOUR HAND THROUGHOUT YOUR GROW, I'm being serious, I see others using this as the holy grail to grow weed, you have to learn this by yourself, is the ONLY WAY!
 
Herb & Suds

Herb & Suds

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sshortguy said:
which a lot of those that don't know what they're seeing, maybe it's you that needs a break from here & go check out youtube, TBH. how can you learn anything on a word forum? you want to learn you have to do it YOURSELF, NO ONE IS GOING TO HOLD YOUR HAND THROUGHOUT YOUR GROW, I'm being serious, I see others using this as the holy grail to grow weed, you have to learn this by yourself, is the ONLY WAY!
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You don't suppose some people can't learn unless its in video , do you?
You are a funny guy
Youtube LOLOLOLOLOL
 
Mr.Head

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sshortguy said:
which a lot of those that don't know what they're seeing, maybe it's you that needs a break from here & go check out youtube, TBH. how can you learn anything on a word forum? you want to learn you have to do it YOURSELF, NO ONE IS GOING TO HOLD YOUR HAND THROUGHOUT YOUR GROW, I'm being serious, I see others using this as the holy grail to grow weed, you have to learn this by yourself, is the ONLY WAY!
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I learned everything I know here. Several types of growing. Learned how to build my lights (HID and LED), and a lot of other electrical information. I've learned invaluable information about genetics. I hardly started with fancy shit, I started with like 20 CFL bulbs and fixtures everywhere, got clowned on a bit, but loads of help. I took the information I learned here and used that to grow food as well.

You have to have the ability to discern valuable information from the bullshit, the wheat from the chaff, so to speak. You seem to be lacking this and it shows in your posts. I guarantee you if you didn't have this attitude you would get a better response from the people here. You act as if you are better than everyone here while blindly accepting shit advice then pretending you knew better the whole time and it's their fault... everyone sees through your shit dude... you're insulting everyone's intelligence here with your schtick.

For instance, just like last time you posted these redacted pictures, why is your plant on a heat matt? Why is your fan on the floor? Are these things you were told to do? Or were these things you did? Common sense dictates you put the fan at the top of the grow area as heat rises and you want to get the hot air out. Are you attempting to remove cold air from your tent? Like what's the purpose of the fan on the floor? If that's the idea it's not going to work... again simple common sense I shouldn't need to explain why. Have you taken two seconds to learn about root rot and the causes? If so you wouldn't have a heat matt under your plant. Lets see if I get an answer this time...

If other people told you to do this shit and you took that "advice" that's on you... if someone told you the proper way to drive a car is into opposing traffic and the more damage you do the better driver you are, would you blindly accept this advice? or think they were nuts?

Like Kendrick said Be Humble and Bitch don't kill my vibe.
 
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sshortguy

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Mr.Head said:
I learned everything I know here. Several types of growing. Learned how to build my lights (HID and LED), and a lot of other electrical information. I've learned invaluable information about genetics. I hardly started with fancy shit, I started with like 20 CFL bulbs and fixtures everywhere, got clowned on a bit, but loads of help. I took the information I learned here and used that to grow food as well.

You have to have the ability to discern valuable information from the bullshit, the wheat from the chaff, so to speak. You seem to be lacking this and it shows in your posts. I guarantee you if you didn't have this attitude you would get a better response from the people here. You act as if you are better than everyone here while blindly accepting shit advice then pretending you knew better the whole time and it's their fault... everyone sees through your shit dude... you're insulting everyone's intelligence here with your schtick.

For instance, just like last time you posted these redacted pictures, why is your plant on a heat matt? Why is your fan on the floor? Are these things you were told to do? Or were these things you did? Common sense dictates you put the fan at the top of the grow area as heat rises and you want to get the hot air out. Are you attempting to remove cold air from your tent? Like what's the purpose of the fan on the floor? If that's the idea it's not going to work... again simple common sense I shouldn't need to explain why. Have you taken two seconds to learn about root rot and the causes? If so you wouldn't have a heat matt under your plant. Lets see if I get an answer this time...

If other people told you to do this shit and you took that "advice" that's on you... if someone told you the proper way to drive a car is into opposing traffic and the more damage you do the better driver you are, would you blindly accept this advice? or think they were nuts?

Like Kendrick said Be Humble and Bitch don't kill my vibe.
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well, good for you, ever since I got on here I saw drama, you get 50 answers for 1 problem, I asked those on you tube who became good friends, which I have talked to via other than the social media, I asked them to have you ever get onto spider farmer forums or any others, they said used to but no more, let me guess? you got it
 
Mr.Head

Mr.Head

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sshortguy said:
well, good for you, ever since I got on here I saw drama, you get 50 answers for 1 problem, I asked those on you tube who became good friends, which I have talked to via other than the social media, I asked them to have you ever get onto spider farmer forums or any others, they said used to but no more, let me guess? you got it
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If you found a group that can help you out great. To act is if there isn't a wealth of knowledge here because you chose to interact with the wrong people, or don't have the ability to discern if someone is worth listening to, is disingenuous.

There's many reasons you'd get multiple answers to the same question a lot of the time it's just a different approach to reaching the same end result, maybe dude A) says one thing and dude B) chimes in with a way he does dude A's approach but better... that's how the community progresses, if you don't want to be a part of that then don't participate. Getting mad and trying to discredit the information here is childish.

A lot of your top youtube guys wouldn't stand a chance around here because the information they pass on is shit, then they delete any comments on their youtube exposing them. There's guys all over youtube growing cropking and copycat beans. Pulling down seeded crops then telling their viewers everything is fine while the world burns around them meme.

99% of your top commercial cultivators today started on Overgrow/icmag/riu/thefarm etc.etc.etc. Not one of those guys filling warehouse's with plants put themselves in a bubble and plugged their ears because they got too many opinions in a thread one time.
 
Bukvičák

Bukvičák

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sshortguy said:
which a lot of those that don't know what they're seeing, maybe it's you that needs a break from here & go check out youtube, TBH. how can you learn anything on a word forum? you want to learn you have to do it YOURSELF, NO ONE IS GOING TO HOLD YOUR HAND THROUGHOUT YOUR GROW, I'm being serious, I see others using this as the holy grail to grow weed, you have to learn this by yourself, is the ONLY WAY!
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You are just missing exps and suck in growing thats all…
 
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