Ppfd :-)

dubekoms

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PJ Diaz said:
As far as LED saving money in the long run, do they really? To run a 600w hps at 12/12 for a year costs me just under $400 in power. I could shave around $160 a year off that by running 400w of LED, but then after 25,000 hours (under 6 years of 12/12) you have to buy a new fixture. You've saved just under $1000 in power in that time but then you have to spend nearly as much as you've saved on a mew quality fixture. Not only that, but we haven't even to discuss lumen drop off of LED vs HPS over time, as LED has a fairly steep drop off after a few years.
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Running less watts will help save some energy with ac especially in hot climates. Buying new bulbs adds up after awhile. Lots of shit to factor in but I'm too lazy to do the math. Either way I like both of them.
 
Kingrow1

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You cant handle the discussion, ive given answers - Start with why led spectrum makes hps spectrum look shit but yet hps does pretty darn well.... Explanations please??????

Its all good trolling and copy pasting led rubbish but if you ever hope to deal with higher discussion then you will address the stuff thats already at hand and not revert back to.led troll default.

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CanadianJim said:
It's kinda like cars.
There will be guys rebuilding/maintaining things like '69 Impalas, Mustangs, etc. and saying they were the best cars ever built, period. And they'll get you where you need to go.
But those same guys will be driving modern cars, possibly even electric powered cars, when they need to go to work, or to get groceries, or what ever. That's because burning a lot of gas to get horsepower that never gets used is pretty dumb.
HID lights will grow weed, but they will cost you a lot on your electric bill. They have low front end costs because they've been around a long time. The factories are built, the design is set, most if not all research has been done. They're about as good as they can get.
LEDs are still getting better. They have a higher up front costs, but over a 25,000 hour lifespan, they'll pay for themselves. And everyone who use them for weed seem pretty happy.

A '69 Impala is as good as it's ever going to get. Modern cars are getting better and more efficient every year.

You used to rant about how ppfd ratings for LEDs were all lies, and everything that comes out of the mouths of manufacturers was literal shit. But you never gave any details, so it's pretty hard to take you seriously.

As to someone figuring out plasma generators, so efficiency won't matter, that's just idealist fantasy. Whether they figure them out or not you're still going to pay for electricity, one way or another.
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Kingrow1

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I get your climate point but the general assumption wether i lived in the sahara or north pole would be to go indoors and set a room to 18-20c and then put my tent in that or grow in the room.

Those that plug one light over another because they want to grow differently to the advise need to ask for a special forum stop bothering the masses of growers who like me set climate for optimun growth.

Led efficiency in a nob efficient place hmmmmm...! :-)



dubekoms said:
Running less watts will help save some energy with ac especially in hot climates. Buying new bulbs adds up after awhile. Lots of shit to factor in but I'm too lazy to do the math. Either way I like both of them.
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bk78

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Kingrow1 said:
I get your climate point but the general assumption wether i lived in the sahara or north pole would be to go indoors and set a room to 18-20c and then put my tent in that or grow in the room.

Those that plug one light over another because they want to grow differently to the advise need to ask for a special forum stop bothering the masses of growers who like me set climate for optimun growth.

Led efficiency in a nob efficient place hmmmmm...! :-)
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Please post pics of your perfect climate control grow room and pics of at least one dried and cured bud.

Here I’ll start, your turn now.
 

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Kingrow1

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Your a troll, this is what trolls do - loose their temper and resort to childish games. Long time here posted many pictures presently debating why you can answer the simple hps shit spectrum qyluestion directly above ^^^^^

Trolling isnt answering the question its avoiding it because your stumped :-)


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Please post pics of your perfect climate control grow room and pics of at least one dried and cured bud.

Here I’ll start, your turn now.
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Kingrow1

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How does the full cmh spectrum not outright destroy hos and then led - Are we going to have a real conversation on ppfd.

And guys forget efficiency bs - i can afford the full 600watt electricity bill, if you want to compared lights lets compare a true 600w led to a 600w hps - come at us with yeild increases for led over hps and then tell me where cmh lies - sure you all have accurate data there. Cmh 20% more than hps and led 39% more or both say 40%.... Idk thats massive gains im sure stuff would be more obvious that the current confusion.

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PJ Diaz

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Kingrow1 said:
Your a troll, this is what trolls do - loose their temper and resort to childish games. Long time here posted many pictures presently debating why you can answer the simple hps shit spectrum qyluestion directly above ^^^^^

Trolling isnt answering the question its avoiding it because your stumped :-)
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I didn't see him lose his temper. He simply asked for you to post a pic of your perfect example. I see you losing your temper. You're seeming very frustrated.
 
Kingrow1

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Actually i got bored of it apart from the few good contributors who helped me to work in ppfd thesedays i found few had anything factual to add and dodged key points like good led trolls do - markets fickle them lot suckers.

Troll me, i mean find me, on other threads atm sorry as clearly this ended quicker than it started :-)

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I didn't see him lose his temper. He simply asked for you to post a pic of your perfect example. I see you losing your temper. You're seeming very frustrated.
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PJ Diaz

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Kingrow1 said:
Actually i got bored of it apart from the few good contributors who helped me to work in ppfd thesedays i found few had anything factual to add and dodged key points like good led trolls do - markets fickle them lot suckers.

Troll me, i mean find me, on other threads atm sorry as clearly this ended quicker than it started :-)
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You created it intentionally as a troll thread from the start. We all see that.
 
Thundercat

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Kingrow1 said:
How does the full cmh spectrum not outright destroy hos and then led - Are we going to have a real conversation on ppfd.

And guys forget efficiency bs - i can afford the full 600watt electricity bill, if you want to compared lights lets compare a true 600w led to a 600w hps - come at us with yeild increases for led over hps and then tell me where cmh lies - sure you all have accurate data there. Cmh 20% more than hps and led 39% more or both say 40%.... Idk thats massive gains im sure stuff would be more obvious that the current confusion.

:-)
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600 true watts of both will result in the LED canopy receiving significantly higher ppfd. So do you want to talk about watts of about ppfd, those are not the same because of.........efficiency...... If you run watt for watt people usually see yield and quality gains, when they balance ppfd people usually see quality improvements. You have to look at the whole picture.

I'm a long time HID grower, and have never grown a plant under LED, so I don't claim to be an expert. But I have done lots of research on the matter and like most people here am always open for a "real conversation". Having and reading real conversations with many people that use LED very effectively along with those years of research have lead me to my current veiws on the subject.

I havn't seen anyone on this thread say that HPS was garbage or the spectrum was crap. What has been said is that at this point LED has reached a level where other then up front cost it is more then capable of equaling or outperforming HID. You sir are the only one trying to make a fight out of this thread.
 
Kingrow1

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PJ Diaz said:
You created it intentionally as a troll thread from the start. We all see that.
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No we all trolled out leds a while back this was strictly for light distances in tents based on photons hitting a surface or ppfd.

The conversation over leds ended - no consideration was given for hps spectrum working quite well against cmh and led and obviously any with intelligence saw straight through their independant claims on what is best for plants.

Then yeild wise it should be so obvious, even in veg led plants must grow exponetially bigger and faster - So if it was so true of leds why even this debate by deslerates¿ Nothing on Cmh yeilds either and in reality a lot still stinks only a fool would run round humping it like they know it all....

And further we see the same trolls struggling with even accepting the long running and well known hang dry - apparently if not jarred quick enough your shits dust or if low humidity dust again - laughable. Like i havent had these conversations hundreds of times and cant defend my corner - most are spreading hate im simply a grower on a grow site :-)
 
CanadianJim

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PJ Diaz said:
As far as LED saving money in the long run, do they really? To run a 600w hps at 12/12 for a year costs me just under $400 in power. I could shave around $160 a year off that by running 400w of LED, but then after 25,000 hours (under 6 years of 12/12) you have to buy a new fixture. You've saved just under $1000 in power in that time but then you have to spend nearly as much as you've saved on a mew quality fixture. Not only that, but we haven't even to discuss lumen drop off of LED vs HPS over time, as LED has a fairly steep drop off after a few years.
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As I understand it, the problem of lumen drop off was initially caused by putting too much current through them, and most fixtures these days are set to run a bit below maximum to increase efficiency and lifespan.
As to having to get a new fixture, if you're buying the same level of quality light 5 1/2 years later, the price will have dropped. If you're buying a diy kit, you should be able to change the individual diodes yourself too, which would bring down the cost further. I read one thread where a guy refurbished a Chinese blurple with quality chips and it did great.
If you're using HID to grow weed you're not wrong, but refusing to admit that there are alternatives which could be just as good is close minded.
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CanadianJim

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Kingrow1 said:
You cant handle the discussion, ive given answers - Start with why led spectrum makes hps spectrum look shit but yet hps does pretty darn well.... Explanations please??????

Its all good trolling and copy pasting led rubbish but if you ever hope to deal with higher discussion then you will address the stuff thats already at hand and not revert back to.led troll default.

:-)
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No, you haven't given the answers.
I haven't chosen a side in HID vs LED. Both grow weed. Both can grow good weed. it depends on the grower.
You have chosen your position, and any further information given that doesn't match that position is written off as lies or trolling. Fine. That's your right. But when I see you in other threads giving bad information I will respectfully disagree, as I have done here.

If you can't handle debate, don't ask for one.

All that aside, I do disagree with asking growers who live in areas where it's still illegal for pics of their grow. Incriminating evidence is bad stuff to have around.
 
diggs99

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How you guys continue to allow yourselves to get sucked into these threads is beyond me.

For real, Kinggrow deserves props, im not sure ive ever anyone be so consistant in his schtick and with such longevity and still get people to engage lol

its hilarious and fascinating at the same time.

You keep on keeping on bro, fight that good fight :)
 
rkymtnman

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diggs99 said:
How you guys continue to allow yourselves to get sucked into these threads is beyond me.

For real, Kinggrow deserves props, im not sure ive ever anyone be so consistant in his schtick and with such longevity and still get people to engage lol

its hilarious and fascinating at the same time.

You keep on keeping on bro, fight that good fight :)
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i've had some normal interactions with him in between his trolling. i'd buy him a pint if i was ever over in Cardiff.
 
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