problem after flushing continued, with pic.

ThunderBlunt · Oct 12, 2011

so i have A Moby Dick strain, at 5 weeks flowering, and an ice strain, 5 weeks.

i had thought that moby was showing signs of nute burn, so i flushed her. I flushed with tap water though, which now i know was a big no no. during mid flush, her main cola went a little limp, and drooped to one side.

from a previous post, i was told i lost positive turgor pressure, and that a transplant may be needed. also, if i had a strong white rootball, i was probably okay.

when i pulled it up, i didnt see much of the roots because most of the soil came with it. the roots filled out the container pretty evenly, though it wasnt rootbound yet. I repotted with perlite for drainage and happy frog organic soil. after, i gave a very small amount of nutes and some ph'd water to make up for the nutes i'd lost in the flush.

after 12 hours of light, she still droops and her leaves are looking fried/unhealthy. shes not close enough to the light for light damage though. does anyone know what i should do to help her? another flush with Ph'd water to rid it of the chlorine from the tap?

im willing to try anything, i dont want to lose her!
thanks guys.

note* the ice was fed almost the same amount of nutes/water and she's doing great, the flush being the only thing ive done differnt between the two of them.

massah · Oct 12, 2011

didn't you just flush yesterday? You need to give it time...after a flush you let your soil dry out before watering again...

fssalaska · Oct 12, 2011

A fish tank air pump and bubble the water to add oxygen to the roots ph 5.5 to 6.0 flush and let dry out some. your pic dose not look all that bad, I think you be ok.

ThunderBlunt · Oct 12, 2011

thanks for the responses guys, and sorry i should be more clear; the original tap water flush wasnt last night, or the night before. it was the night before that.

ThunderBlunt · Oct 12, 2011

fssalaska said:
A fish tank air pump and bubble the water to add oxygen to the roots ph 5.5 to 6.0 flush and let dry out some. your pic dose not look all that bad, I think you be ok.

thanks fssalaska, i'll do that. do you know how much a fishtank air pump costs? ive never done anything like this before either, could i bug you for a short step by step instruction?

after i get oxygen to the roots, youre saying i should flush with 5.5 to 6 phd water, yes? and then i let it dry.

im glad to hear that its salvagable, thanks guys

ThunderBlunt · Oct 12, 2011

so i got the air pump, but im unclear on what to do next, and i want to make sure i have everything set before i do something that could hurt it again.

do i stick the hose from the air pump down into the bottom of the pot before or after i flush? or do i use the hose in the water that im going to flush it with? if anyone can clear this up for me, id appreciate it. thanks!

fssalaska · Oct 13, 2011

ThunderBlunt said:
so i got the air pump, but im unclear on what to do next, and i want to make sure i have everything set before i do something that could hurt it again.

do i stick the hose from the air pump down into the bottom of the pot before or after i flush? or do i use the hose in the water that im going to flush it with? if anyone can clear this up for me, id appreciate it. thanks!

air pump put a cheap air stone on it , just like in a fish tank, put it into a bucket of water and let it bubble.. then use that water for flushing/ watering as it will have way more oxygen in it for the roots..

Kingrow1 · Oct 13, 2011

ThunderBlunt said:
from a previous post, i was told i lost positive turgor pressure, and that a transplant may be needed. also, if i had a strong white rootball, i was probably okay.

I highly doubt this!lol! Seems bad advice really!lol!

massah said:
didn't you just flush yesterday? You need to give it time...after a flush you let your soil dry out before watering again...

Flushing will really screw with your plant, like this guy said leave it alone, the fact that your willing to try anything is not good, id reckon throwing bannanas at it might sort it out, wana give that a go too?

Id say you got the best advice already. Peace

WhiteyX · Oct 13, 2011

Some times I'll gotta flush the toilet twice

ThunderBlunt · Oct 13, 2011

Kingrow1 said:
I highly doubt this!lol! Seems bad advice really!lol!

Flushing will really screw with your plant, like this guy said leave it alone, the fact that your willing to try anything is not good, id reckon throwing bannanas at it might sort it out, wana give that a go too?

Id say you got the best advice already. Peace

I don't see why throwing bananas at it would help, or why you thought to even mention that.
Another thing, you quoted the wrong guy...I didn't flush yesterday, I flushed 4 days ago, with tap water. You don't think I should flush with oxygenated water to clear it of the chlorine from the tap? And the transplant did nothing but help.

ThunderBlunt · Oct 13, 2011

fssalaska said:
air pump put a cheap air stone on it , just like in a fish tank, put it into a bucket of water and let it bubble.. then use that water for flushing/ watering as it will have way more oxygen in it for the roots..

Thanks mate, ill flush her tonight with some good waters

Sunbiz1 · Oct 13, 2011

Kingrow1 said:
I highly doubt this!lol! Seems bad advice really!lol!

Flushing will really screw with your plant, like this guy said leave it alone, the fact that your willing to try anything is not good, id reckon throwing bannanas at it might sort it out, wana give that a go too?

Id say you got the best advice already. Peace

I recommended transplanting, care to discuss why?.

Sunbiz1 · Oct 13, 2011

ThunderBlunt said:
Thanks mate, ill flush her tonight with some good waters

Did you transplant?, and if so why are you flushing again?. Flushing is a corrective action from overfeeding, unless it's a hydro grow.

ThunderBlunt · Oct 13, 2011

Sunbiz1 said:
Did you transplant?, and if so why are you flushing again?. Flushing is a corrective action from overfeeding, unless it's a hydro grow.

Hey sunbiz, yes I did transplant, but most of the soil from the original flush came with the roots when I pulled it up and re potted it. So its still is feeding off of soil that had been flushed with tap water, which is when all the problems started appearing. If I re flushed with phd water, it would clear it of the chlorine, yes? That's my train of thought anyways. If its wrong, tell me

Kingrow1 · Oct 13, 2011

ThunderBlunt said:
I don't see why throwing bananas at it would help, or why you thought to even mention that.

The 'Bannanas' slang was used as a metaphor and trying to show that willing to try anything might lead to bad advice for your plant.

Another thing, you quoted the wrong guy...I didn't flush yesterday, I flushed 4 days ago, with tap water. You don't think I should flush with oxygenated water to clear it of the chlorine from the tap?

I dont see how any water supply from most countries contains dangerous levels of either chlorine or flouride for plants, are we talking soil or hydro here, in hydro i might worry but in soil id not bother.

And the transplant did nothing but help.

So often the case when placing a troubled plant in unbalanced soil into fresh good soil with ideal conditions just dont make the same mistakes twice now shes happy.

Why so worried about chlorine levels? If you have your tap water analysis data sheets i can translate and work out all levels of minerals and elements based on their atomic weight and charge in either ppm, ec or mg/l if you want, i just went on the tinternet and looked at my areas water company for mine and then worked them out and can do the same for you.

On top of this i have never seen any problems come from water straight out of the tap when it comes to flouride or chlorine, surely id be more worried about which type of chlorine my water company puts in the water, chloramides or chlorine gas??

I checked my tap water and found it to be better than bottled water! 50ppm with basically no flouride and very little chlorine or dissolved solids, i use a cal/mag supplement to bring it up to the required 150/200ppm as fertilizer companies so often dictate, somthing some soil growers who use RO water often forget about to great disaster.

I never flush and personally hate flushing and never see the need, i just make sure i get almost a third runoff at each watering and feed and sometimes add plain water before ferts to let extra salts dissolve out, by constantly looking after your soil i see no need to ever flush plus it really fucks a plant up when you wash the soil clean of any nutrients and hope to replace them at the right balance, mine would need a weeks break after a flush to get back to decent growing again at least.

To me there is a hell of a difference between a flush which cleans the soil and simply getting good runoff or three times the container size of water run trough the soil as this mainly just lowers the nute levels and salt levels rather than reduces them down to nothing.

Please post your tap water details if you can get hold of them and hopefully what ive said will help in some way, my tap water is pH 8.1 and above and my water supplier uses chlorine gas and my plants have no problem with it straight out of the tap. Peace

Kingrow1 · Oct 13, 2011

Sunbiz1 said:
I recommended transplanting, care to discuss why?.

Yes.....

Sunbiz1 said:
Did you transplant?, and if so why are you flushing again?. Flushing is a corrective action from overfeeding, unless it's a hydro grow.

Because i thought this would happen, need we discuss more?? Peace

max316420 · Oct 13, 2011

what up king? hows things goin?

Kingrow1 · Oct 13, 2011

max316420 said:
what up king? hows things goin?

Yer not bad, still slogging away with the grow and various things, seems like im never off the computer thesedays! What you been upto dude? Peace

ThunderBlunt · Oct 13, 2011

Kingrow1 said:
The 'Bannanas' slang was used as a metaphor and trying to show that willing to try anything might lead to bad advice for your plant.

I dont see how any water supply from most countries contains dangerous levels of either chlorine or flouride for plants, are we talking soil or hydro here, in hydro i might worry but in soil id not bother.

So often the case when placing a troubled plant in unbalanced soil into fresh good soil with ideal conditions just dont make the same mistakes twice now shes happy.

Why so worried about chlorine levels? If you have your tap water analysis data sheets i can translate and work out all levels of minerals and elements based on their atomic weight and charge in either ppm, ec or mg/l if you want, i just went on the tinternet and looked at my areas water company for mine and then worked them out and can do the same for you.

On top of this i have never seen any problems come from water straight out of the tap when it comes to flouride or chlorine, surely id be more worried about which type of chlorine my water company puts in the water, chloramides or chlorine gas??

I checked my tap water and found it to be better than bottled water! 50ppm with basically no flouride and very little chlorine or dissolved solids, i use a cal/mag supplement to bring it up to the required 150/200ppm as fertilizer companies so often dictate, somthing some soil growers who use RO water often forget about to great disaster.

I never flush and personally hate flushing and never see the need, i just make sure i get almost a third runoff at each watering and feed and sometimes add plain water before ferts to let extra salts dissolve out, by constantly looking after your soil i see no need to ever flush plus it really fucks a plant up when you wash the soil clean of any nutrients and hope to replace them at the right balance, mine would need a weeks break after a flush to get back to decent growing again at least.

To me there is a hell of a difference between a flush which cleans the soil and simply getting good runoff or three times the container size of water run trough the soil as this mainly just lowers the nute levels and salt levels rather than reduces them down to nothing.

Please post your tap water details if you can get hold of them and hopefully what ive said will help in some way, my tap water is pH 8.1 and above and my water supplier uses chlorine gas and my plants have no problem with it straight out of the tap. Peace

Thanks king, I appreciate the help. I'm on my phone right now so I won't get into the water details, only that I have 2 plants fed with mostly the same amount of nutes, with the flush being the only thing I've done different. That's why I'm putting so much stock into flushing. Mid way through the flush, the main cola went limp, and it still is. The leaves are still yellow, and I'm just eager to correct it. Another flush may not be the best bet then, you're right. But then what would you propose I do? Just keep a steady watering and slowly add in more nutes? Thanks for the help

Kingrow1 · Oct 13, 2011

Yer sounds about right, the flush didnt seem to do the plant well and sounds bad so your just looking to reintroduce it to feeding and the right conditions. You say you transplanted so just leave it be and pray to god!lol! Is the best advice here as anything else might futher the situation, live and learn and hope it recovers. By the sounds of it you have gone from one bad situation to another unfortunatly but new soil that its in should be the best help now. Pics would help but at least some things like water, chlorine and flushing might be altered for the next grow so this situation dosent happen again. Could be the soil needs to dry after overwatering and obviously some problems that happened to cause you to flush need addressing too. Just see how she goes and the other plant is allright yer?

Learning to grow caused me to kill a lot of plants unfortunatly. Peace

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