Regular vs feminised

Everything has it's place. We need regulars for people wanting to produce seeds and feminized for people like me who cringe at the idea of finding even a single male in their room. I am glad there is something for everyone.

It's kinda like cars one person wants them as close to original as possible the other doesn't care what they have to do to a car as long as it will go 0 to 200 in 5 seconds.

Rurumo said:

all you have to do is reverse and pollinate

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and get a less vigorous plant (if the breeder knew what he was doing )

speedwell68 said:

If you are going to go to that amount of effort you might as well just keep taking clones.

Back in the day it was reckoned that regulars would yield slightly more than the fem version.

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Clones don't give you the ability to store and shut down if needed. I could stop growing for a couple years and start right back up with seeds. I couldn't do that with clones.

I think this debate got shut down in the past. Something about fems only difference is you won’t get the variety of phenos. But I’m not sure. I grow fems because I don’t wanna chance starting over. If I’m tryin for a male (like now). I still sprout one at a time of my regs just to be safe lol. So a dozen fem packs to 1 reg pack for me lol.

DrOgkush said:

I think this debate got shut down in the past. Something about fems only difference is you won’t get the variety of phenos. But I’m not sure. I grow fems because I don’t wanna chance starting over. If I’m tryin for a male (like now). I still sprout one at a time of my regs just to be safe lol. So a dozen fem packs to 1 reg pack for me lol.

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I sorta agree but sorta don't agree.

I generally don't see for example a 60/40 hybrid feminized pack of seeds giving both indica and sativa dominant phenos very often like I would in some packs of regular seeds. But I do see a definite variation between plants but they generally stick to being either all sativa or indica dominant and a little more uniform. This could be that the breeders I use have very stabilized strains, but that's just a guess.

However I find terpenes and bud structure is where I see the biggest difference between plants from feminized seeds. Enough so that I usually keep them separated and jar each plant in its own jars because they are usuallyso different tasting and/or looking from eachother......but I am a bit of a Terp snob.

xtsho said:

Clones don't give you the ability to store and shut down if needed. I could stop growing for a couple years and start right back up with seeds. I couldn't do that with clones.

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TBH seeds are super cheap. If that were the case I'd just buy some more.

speedwell68 said:

TBH seeds are super cheap. If that were the case I'd just buy some more.

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I disagree, for what you get with most seed sellers, the price of seeds is way too high. If what you say were true, there would be tons of seed companies out there selling a pack of 10 high-grade beans for $20 - $30, but that's just not the case. I see people willing to give up hundreds of dollars for a pack of seeds because there's a lot of hype that seeds from that breeder are going to yield consistently amazing plants. In fact, what I've noticed is you have people out there selling (arguably) mediocre genetics with very clever marketing and convenient pay options, we can list several here if you like.

blueberryrose said:

I disagree, for what you get with most seed sellers, the price of seeds is way too high. If what you say were true, there would be tons of seed companies out there selling a pack of 10 high-grade beans for $20 - $30, but that's just not the case. I see people willing to give up hundreds of dollars for a pack of seeds because there's a lot of hype that seeds from that breeder are going to yield consistently amazing plants. In fact, what I've noticed is you have people out there selling (arguably) mediocre genetics with very clever marketing and convenient pay options, we can list several here if you like.

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I agree too many idiots selling seeds these days for a fortune but there are some people who aint so bad just they in the minority sadly in this case as you said tho basically dont believe the hype good seeds sell themselves pretty much once folks know its not bs your selling your good

PJ Diaz said:

Presumable fems are from two specific females, which have been selected for flower qualities. It is more difficult to predict female flowering qualities in male parents, so there is an argument to be made that fems would produce better genetics.

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Not sure about better, but definitely more consistent genetics. It all depends on how much you want to gamble and the variety you seek.
I personally like the variety I’ve been getting but I may try to make feminized seeds if I find a particular plant I want to focus on.
One downside, I’ve read about, to feminized is often the process can lead to seeds more prone to hermaphroditism. Not sure of statistics, but I could see how that becomes a trait because the process essentially causes the plant to be able to reproduce with itself, if you wanted it to. Yes, most use that pollen to fertilize another genetic female, but that genetic memory is still there, I believe.
Anyhow, not a big deal to me either way.

blueberryrose said:

I disagree, for what you get with most seed sellers, the price of seeds is way too high. If what you say were true, there would be tons of seed companies out there selling a pack of 10 high-grade beans for $20 - $30, but that's just not the case. I see people willing to give up hundreds of dollars for a pack of seeds because there's a lot of hype that seeds from that breeder are going to yield consistently amazing plants. In fact, what I've noticed is you have people out there selling (arguably) mediocre genetics with very clever marketing and convenient pay options, we can list several here if you like.

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I would never pay $20 - $30 for a seed. I don't care what it was. The most I've paid is probably around $6 and I have quite a collection of some very good genetics. They might not be some hyped up Purple Berry Pie or have some silly name that sounds like it's a product for a toddler but they are the building blocks from which to start and create my own hybrids and produce my own seeds while never paying a dime for seeds again.

I don't want any of these crosses of crosses of crosses crossed with another cross of a cross crossed with another cross. Stuff is like a damn casserole with everything all mixed together in one big dish. Yet people line up for opportunity to part with $20 a seed for some pollen chuck. There isn't a single strain on the planet worth $20 a seed.

blueberryrose said:

I disagree, for what you get with most seed sellers, the price of seeds is way too high. If what you say were true, there would be tons of seed companies out there selling a pack of 10 high-grade beans for $20 - $30, but that's just not the case. I see people willing to give up hundreds of dollars for a pack of seeds because there's a lot of hype that seeds from that breeder are going to yield consistently amazing plants. In fact, what I've noticed is you have people out there selling (arguably) mediocre genetics with very clever marketing and convenient pay options, we can list several here if you like.

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I can go to places like RQS and Sensi Seeds and get some decent seeds for under £20. I have a box here with just the freebies that get sent out. I have 20 Big Bud x White Widow that were buy 10 get 10 free. At the moment I have 5 Northern Lights Autos by RQS going that were literally 100% FOC, I am expecting at least 10oz from those freebies. 10oz would cost me nearly £3000 to buy. I have a 5 pack of Skywalker Haze from Dutch Passion that were 100% FOC. There are plenty of reputable seed vendors out there offering all sorts of deals.

To run a grow, from seed to harvest, in my 4x4 will cost me £275 in electricity, on that basis I am not worried about £50 for some decent seeds.

xtsho said:

I would never pay $20 - $30 for a seed. I don't care what it was. The most I've paid is probably around $6 and I have quite a collection of some very good genetics. They might not be some hyped up Purple Berry Pie or have some silly name that sounds like it's a product for a toddler but they are the building blocks from which to start and create my own hybrids and produce my own seeds while never paying a dime for seeds again.

I don't want any of these crosses of crosses of crosses crossed with another cross of a cross crossed with another cross. Stuff is like a damn casserole with everything all mixed together in one big dish. Yet people line up for opportunity to part with $20 a seed for some pollen chuck. There isn't a single strain on the planet worth $20 a seed.

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Spot on. Something like this for example....

xtsho said:

I would never pay $20 - $30 for a seed. I don't care what it was. The most I've paid is probably around $6 and I have quite a collection of some very good genetics. They might not be some hyped up Purple Berry Pie or have some silly name that sounds like it's a product for a toddler but they are the building blocks from which to start and create my own hybrids and produce my own seeds while never paying a dime for seeds again.

I don't want any of these crosses of crosses of crosses crossed with another cross of a cross crossed with another cross. Stuff is like a damn casserole with everything all mixed together in one big dish. Yet people line up for opportunity to part with $20 a seed for some pollen chuck. There isn't a single strain on the planet worth $20 a seed.

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Agreed i think half of it some crazy bragging right bs i paid this much it must be good right? Nah we all know it dont work that way price dont correlate with quality all the time

xtsho said:

I always shake my head when I read posts where someone complains about having to cull the males they got from a pack of regular seeds. And then go on to say they're going to buy some "X" strain next. Just keep a damn male collect a little pollen and dust a branch or two or even the whole damn plant and have seeds for years.

Or take clones of the females, reverse one and pollinate another one. And wham bam thank you maam, more seeds. It's such a simple process.

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I don’t have any pollen to hand but think I might grow a male photoperiod outdoors just to have some to hand. Having the potential to make seeds as I wish sounds awesome.

Are they as susceptible to mold as buds?

conor c said:

Agreed i think half of it some crazy bragging right bs i paid this much it must be good right? Nah we all know it dont work that way price dont correlate with quality all the time

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Some people think all these places selling seeds have a team of people going through thousands of plants. That isn't the case. Many are probably just some dude with a couple tents chucking pollen. You can turn one seed into thousands in a matter of months. There are large breeding facilities but the dude on instagram having some "Drop" isn't doing all of that.

Nutty sKunK said:

I don’t have any pollen to hand but think I might grow a male photoperiod outdoors just to have some to hand. Having the potential to make seeds as I wish sounds awesome.

Are they as susceptible to mold as buds?

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I've never had a male get mold but I mostly grow them indoors so I can isolate them. But I'm sure that under the right conditions they would mold but not as easily as a female flower because the male flower structure is much different.

Definitely make your own seeds. Make some of your own crosses as well. You'll probably find that what you make is as good or better than those overhyped strains with kiddie names. I know I have. A few friends have been growing some of the crosses I've made for the last few years. They all rave about the final result. "Damn Good" and "Exceptional" were used often when I was getting feedback. They were some stuff I haven't even grown myself as I'm too busy doing reproduction runs to grow much of anything else at the moment and the foreseeable future. I slip one in now and then though and usually am very happy with the results.

Making my own seeds is entertaining and keeping me busy doing something semi-productive.

"They" are always talking about keeping the mind sharp to avoid cognitive decline, gardening a variety and searching for certain traits is a positive for a long healthy life.

Sofa King Smoooth said:

Making my own seeds is entertaining and keeping me busy doing something semi-productive.

"They" are always talking about keeping the mind sharp to avoid cognitive decline, gardening a variety and searching for certain traits is a positive for a long healthy life.

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Its a good thing let's be honest theres worse hobbies to have

conor c said:

Its a good thing let's be honest theres worse hobbies to have

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Definitely a better hobby than smoking meth in a park.

Making seeds is addictive. I like a combo of both so i know I will get females and hopefully a good male. I find my male, isolate it with a hepa filter/fan/feeding tube DIY isolation bucket and place in the same flower room. I don't have 2 flower rooms.

King Avitas said:

Definitely a better hobby than smoking meth in a park.

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Im super glad that that isn't a thing where im from really cos that shits bad news and agreed anything is better than that lol