Rules to be waived for border fence

shamegame

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Rules to be waived for border fence


By EILEEN SULLIVAN, Associated Press Writer Tue Apr 1, 4:12 PM ET


WASHINGTON - The Bush administration will use its authority to bypass more than 30 laws and regulations to finish building 670 miles of fence along the southwest U.S. border by the end of 2008, federal officials said Tuesday.

Invoking the two legal waivers, which Congress authorized, will cut through bureaucratic red tape and sidestep environmental laws that currently impede the Homeland Security Department from building 267 miles of fencing in California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas, according to officials familiar with the plan. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to comment publicly about it.

The move is the biggest use of legal waivers since the administration started building the fence, and it will cover a total of 470 miles along the Southwest border, the department said. Previously, the department has used its waiver authority for two portions of fence in Arizona and one portion in San Diego.
"Criminal activity at the border does not stop for endless debate or protracted litigation," Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said in a statement. "These waivers will enable important security projects to keep moving forward."

As of March 17, there were 309 miles of fencing in place, leaving 361 to be completed by the end of the year to meet the department's goal. Of those, 267 miles are being held up by federal, state and local laws and regulations, the officials said.

One waiver will address the construction of a 22-mile levee barrier in Hidalgo County, Texas. The other waiver will cover 30 miles of fencing and technology deployment on environmentally sensitive ground in San Diego, southern Arizona and the Rio Grande; and 215 miles in California, Arizona and Texas that face other legal impediments due to administrative processes. For instance, building in some areas requires assessments and studies that — if conducted — could not be completed in time to finish the fence by the end of the year.

Chertoff had said using the waivers would be a last resort. The department has held more than 100 meetings with lawmakers, environmental groups and residents in an effort to work out obstacles and objections to fence construction.

The department will conduct environmental assessments when necessary. But the waivers enable the department to start building before completing the assessments. Chertoff said the department will continue to ask for input on the construction plans.Even as the fence is being built, debate continues about whether it will stem illegal immigration.

Fernando Carrillo, a 32-year-old construction worker who was deported from Arizona six months ago, said the added security wouldn't stop him from trying to get back to his wife and three children in Phoenix. His youngest child was born while he was in Mexico.

"They can do what they want, but we will keep trying," he said while walking Tuesday with two other migrants along the newly built wall west of Nogales.
He said they were heading to an area where the wall had yet to be built.
"Whatever they do, you just have to keep trying because there, if you work hard, you can make ends meet," he said.

Residents and property owners along the U.S.-Mexico border have complained about the fence construction. In South Texas, where opposition has been widespread, land owners refused to give the government access to property along the fence route. The government has since sued more than 50 property owners in South Texas to gain access to the land.

Environmentalists have also complained about the fence because they say it puts already endangered species such as two types of wild cats — the ocelot and the jaguarundi — in even more danger of extinction. They say the fence would prevent them from swimming across the Rio Grande to mate.
"Unwilling to consult with local communities or to follow long-standing laws, Secretary Chertoff chose to bypass stakeholders and push through this unpopular project on April Fool's Day," Sierra Club executive director Carl Pope said in a statement. "We don't think the destruction of the borderlands region is a laughing matter."

Chertoff has said the fence is good for the environment because immigrants degrade the land with trash and human waste when they sneak illegally into the country.

___ Associated Press writer Olga Rodriguez contributed to this report from the U.S.-Mexico border, just outside Nogales, Mexico.

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medicineman

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While I don't like the environmental destruction portion of the above plan, we must take the good with the bad and make a decision. Stop ,illegal immigration at all costs I say. Every successful country that has been around for a few centuries have some kind of border divide, some to keep them in like N.Korea, but we need it to keep them out. Maybe then they could work on Birth control and reforming their own country, Damn Catholics and their anti birth control. Hey, we have enough people, stop with the "go forth amd multiply" bullshit
 

ORECAL

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While I don't like the environmental destruction portion of the above plan, we must take the good with the bad and make a decision. Stop ,illegal immigration at all costs I say. Every successful country that has been around for a few centuries have some kind of border divide, some to keep them in like N.Korea, but we need it to keep them out. Maybe then they could work on Birth control and reforming their own country, Damn Catholics and their anti birth control. Hey, we have enough people, stop with the "go forth amd multiply" bullshit
do you think that those fences will stop illegals? come on now.....
did you know that with the proposed fences, they would only stop someone for a maximum time of 5 minutes? you can go up over, dig under, or plow through, in under 5 minutes. I'm not saying that we should allow all these illegals into the country, but these fences wont do shit, all it will do is give more people jobs cause they will constantly be having to fix them. the fences are worthless.
 

ViRedd

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Chertoff has my vote.

Next step is to enforce our employment laws ... at the workplace. After that, reform the welfare laws, education policies and every other free cheese program that's attracting illegals.

Vi
 

AnitaNuggs

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i think i would be more upset about illegals running through my yard and leaving their trash and SHIT on my property then having a fucking fence built.
 

ViRedd

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i think i would be more upset about illegals running through my yard and leaving their trash and SHIT on my property then having a fucking fence built.
Those who have experienced the illegals running through their back yards and leaving trash on their properties ... and who have tried to stop the action, have been arrested and procecuted. The fence is a good thing. I thought Texans had the right to shoot trespassers.

Vi
 

shamegame

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Chertoff has my vote.

Next step is to enforce our employment laws ... at the workplace. After that, reform the welfare laws, education policies and every other free cheese program that's attracting illegals.

Vi
All things considered, I am happy that the wall is being finished. If nothing else, it makes a statement, and hopefully will start a trend. Could the pendulum be swinging the other way? Sounds too good to be true.
 

tickitickitembo

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not to mention the boarder patrol guys that ride around on 4wheelers all day risking getting their head cut off by trip wire.. yeah lets build a wall with a big moat along it filled with monkey piss and chupacabras
 

ViRedd

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All things considered, I am happy that the wall is being finished. If nothing else, it makes a statement, and hopefully will start a trend. Could the pendulum be swinging the other way? Sounds too good to be true.
I believe it is, shamegame. I think the Washington politician's attempt to pass the amnesty bill was met with such loud protest from the American People that they finally woke up. When we're awake, they get very uncomfortable.They LIKE to be reelected. ~lol~

Vi
 

undertheice

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I believe it is, shamegame. I think the Washington politician's attempt to pass the amnesty bill was met with such loud protest from the American People that they finally woke up. When we're awake, they get very uncomfortable.They LIKE to be reelected. ~lol~

Vi
that was a moment that made even an old bastard like me proud of the american people and gave me some hope that they might be capable of taking back their freedoms. it was a short lived moment, but thrilling nonetheless.
 

ViRedd

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that was a moment that made even an old bastard like me proud of the american people and gave me some hope that they might be capable of taking back their freedoms. it was a short lived moment, but thrilling nonetheless.
Yes! And next will be the dismantling and abolition of the IRS. Naw ... on second thought, Americans love those "refund" checks too much. ~lol~

Vi
 

Dats

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While I don't like the environmental destruction portion of the above plan, we must take the good with the bad and make a decision. Stop ,illegal immigration at all costs I say. Every successful country that has been around for a few centuries have some kind of border divide, some to keep them in like N.Korea, but we need it to keep them out. Maybe then they could work on Birth control and reforming their own country, Damn Catholics and their anti birth control. Hey, we have enough people, stop with the "go forth amd multiply" bullshit
Holy shit, This is the first post I have seen on here that I could agree with from you mm. +rep lol
 

medicineman

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Chertoff has my vote.

Next step is to enforce our employment laws ... at the workplace. After that, reform the welfare laws, education policies and every other free cheese program that's attracting illegals.

Vi
Where the hell has he been for the last 2 years?
 

ViRedd

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Where the hell has he been for the last 2 years?
Secretary Michael Chertoff

Secretary: Michael Chertoff


On February 15, 2005, Judge Michael Chertoff was unanimously confirmed by the Senate and sworn in as the second Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security. He formerly served as United States Circuit Judge for the Third Circuit Court of Appeals, after his June 2003 Senate confirmation.

Secretary Chertoff was previously confirmed by the Senate in 2001 to serve as Assistant Attorney General for the Criminal Division at the Department of Justice. As Assistant Attorney General, he oversaw the investigation of the 9/11 terrorist attacks. He also formed the Enron Task Force, which produced more than 20 convictions, including those of CEOs Jeffrey Skilling and Ken Lay.

Before joining the George W. Bush Administration, Chertoff was a Partner in the law firm of Latham & Watkins. From 1995 to 1996, he served as Special Counsel for the U.S. Senate Whitewater Committee.

Prior to that, Chertoff spent more than a decade as a federal prosecutor, including service as U.S. Attorney for the District of New Jersey, First Assistant U.S. Attorney for the District of New Jersey, and Assistant U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York. As a federal prosecutor, Chertoff investigated and personally prosecuted significant cases of political corruption, organized crime, and corporate fraud. Among them was the “Mafia Commission” case, in which the leaders of La Cosa Nostra were all convicted and sentenced to 100 years in prison for directing the criminal activities of the American Mafia.

Chertoff graduated magna cum laude from Harvard College in 1975 and magna cum laude from Harvard Law School in 1978. From 1979-1980 he served as a clerk to Supreme Court Justice William Brennan, Jr.
 

medicineman

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Helping the Federal government to find bigger and better ways to win the war on terrorism by spying on Americans:peace:
Exactly, but, gotta let those illegals have some space, I mean, what will the corporations and the rich folk do without their mexican friends, no clean houses, cheap labor, lawns overgrown, fruit rotting on the tree. Jeeze, maybe some of the unemployed Americans could find a job. One time on one of my sabatticals, I picked plums in the hills of San Jose for food money, I was living with hippies in the hills, and had a very nice redheaded girlfriend, oh the memories. Yup, she was red on the bush as well, I knew you wanted to know, yummie.
 

undertheice

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Exactly, but, gotta let those illegals have some space, I mean, what will the corporations and the rich folk do without their mexican friends, no clean houses, cheap labor, lawns overgrown, fruit rotting on the tree. Jeeze, maybe some of the unemployed Americans could find a job. One time on one of my sabbaticals, I picked plums in the hills of San Jose for food money, I was living with hippies in the hills, and had a very nice redheaded girlfriend, oh the memories. Yup, she was red on the bush as well, I knew you wanted to know, yummie.
let's not forget all those new voters the left is drooling over. we've gotta take care of the whole damn world, even though we seem to be incapable of even taking care of ourselves.

had to balance out your comment, med. i just couldn't help myself :rolleyes:

....and, damn, ya gotta love them redheads:mrgreen:
 
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