Second stimulus soon?

MICHI-CAN said:

Using my personal life for an actual point of view. I started a custom painting and refinishing business. Praised and recommended for my work. And my recipient was always right. The legal operating costs were well beyond any fair price for my labor. Then add up front materials, equipment and payroll for 2. It is almost impossible to build an empire from working class stock with morals today.

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Definitely agree it's a lot harder today. Back in the era of easy money for white males, in the 50's or whatever, all you had to do was graduate college and you could start a business in whatever that field was and have pretty good odds of succeeding. The more traditional methods of higher levels of success are harder to come by, but there's always room for those who know how to tap into brainless iPhone'esque hysteria.

Starting electrician makes about 60k? I have a resident at one my my properties who’s a janitor, works his ass off, holidays and overtime, his wife is a home helper, works her ass off. From Somalia. They clear 130k a year and are saving their money by living in low income housing which they qualified when they got here. In a few years they will have their home and their kids will go to college. Tell them it’s too hard to achieve the American dream.

mooray said:

Definitely agree it's a lot harder today. Back in the era of easy money for white males, in the 50's or whatever, all you had to do was graduate college and you could start a business in whatever that field was and have pretty good odds of succeeding. The more traditional methods of higher levels of success are harder to come by, but there's always room for those who know how to tap into brainless iPhone'esque hysteria.

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As I'm grinning again. That was true until Ronnie Raygun. No more free college or higher education. Banks and colleges made mad money selling your benefits as they saturated the market with clones of you en mass. All my decades in a form of manufacturing? I've seen 2 engineers that could operate basic tools. LMAO!

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I have not seen this side of you. Wow. I'm for working for my happiness and security. Not happy with current model. Web lists me as rep. LMAO. MI. Non declared. Lone wolf. I don't do labels thing. Still ask you do some history brush up. And these cycles never fail like our short term memories.

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So you want a system like what Denmark and Sweden has but you just want it given to you. Sorry, not impressed.

We damn near lost the country to a dictator last year and you just sit back and huck rocks. I've seen you do this for a while now. Typical of your kind. You aren't a lone wolf, there are a few others like you. Better described as cynical bastards.

mooray said:

Definitely agree it's a lot harder today. Back in the era of easy money for white males, in the 50's or whatever, all you had to do was graduate college and you could start a business in whatever that field was and have pretty good odds of succeeding. The more traditional methods of higher levels of success are harder to come by, but there's always room for those who know how to tap into brainless iPhone'esque hysteria.

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Didn't even have to graduate from college for a white man to do well back then.

DaFreak said:

Starting electrician makes about 60k? I have a resident at one my my properties who’s a janitor, works his ass off, holidays and overtime, his wife is a home helper, works her ass off. From Somalia. They clear 130k a year and are saving their money by living in low income housing which they qualified when they got here. In a few years they will have their home and their kids will go to college. Tell them it’s too hard to achieve the American dream.

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High wage location. My union certified welder/machine builder is 18/hr to start. $12 as the welder. Was $24 before "Right to work for less" laws.

And I can't get any help as a disabled on the job "American". Explain that please.

Fogdog said:

So you want a system like what Denmark and Sweden has but you just want it given to you. Sorry, not impressed.

We damn near lost the country to a dictator last year and you just sit back and huck rocks. I've seen you do this for a while now. Typical of your kind. You aren't a lone wolf, there are a few others like you. Better described as cynical bastards.

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Enough. Are you registered as a foreign agent? Keep being you. The world around you will follow.

MICHI-CAN said:

Enough. Are you registered as a foreign agent? Keep being you. The world around you will follow.

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So you want free stuff. Bernie's babies are like that.

This country is a lot more conservative than you'd like it to be. Not my fault. I think I'll oppose the fascists by voting for people who represent the accomplishment wing of the Democratic Party.

You can just sit in your "disabled" condition and whine. It's what your kind do best.

Fogdog said:

So you want free stuff. Bernie's babies are like that.

This country is a lot more conservative than you'd like it to be. Not my fault. I think I'll oppose the fascists by voting for people who represent the accomplishment wing of the Democratic Party.

You can just sit in your "disabled" condition and whine. It's what your kind do best.

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I begrudging hobbled to my car and city town hall this week. What did you do "Ricky Schoeder"?

I'm down with extending socialized education and healthcare services. If we were broke asses, then of course we can't really afford to invest in ourselves, but since we're not, well then we probably should.

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I begrudging hobbled to my car and city town hall this week. What did you do "Ricky Schoeder"?

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oh, so it's just huck rocks now is it? Your act is boring.

goodbye

mooray said:

I'm down with extending socialized education and healthcare services. If we were broke asses, then of course we can't really afford to invest in ourselves, but since we're not, well then we probably should.

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Stop with the socialize catch phrase talking point. It is a basic right. You support vulture capitalism profiting off your suffering they only prolong as opposed to actually curing. WOW!

MICHI-CAN said:

Stop with the socialize catch phrase talking point. It is a basic right. You support vulture capitalism profiting off your suffering they only prolong as opposed to actually curing. WOW!

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Wait....what exactly did you interpret from my post and why exactly did you feel the need to reply with such toxicity?

Is socialize a trigger word? It has a real applicable meaning, you know. You'd prefer I use "national human collective economic subsystems"...?

Fogdog said:

oh, so it's just huck rocks now is it? Your act is boring.

goodbye

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TY for entertaining me on the true indoctrination of the world I must navigate.
Request a bonus from the RNC. You're top shelf prime stock. Still debating rather your ignorance or mine is best displayed if I click the button for the "second" time.

Peace and a serious shell cracking is wished for you. Poor poor fool.

mooray said:

Wait....what exactly did you interpret from my post and why exactly did you feel the need to reply with such toxicity?

Is socialize a trigger word? It has a real applicable meaning, you know. You'd prefer I use "national human collective economic subsystems"...?

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He's just a bitter loser who heaps his disappointment about life into invective at others. Not much different than Rob Roy.

Weeeeeeell I'm not really into the harsher ad-hom stuff. Even RR is just kind of a stinker in my mind, not a big deal.

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Wait....what exactly did you interpret from my post and why exactly did you feel the need to reply with such toxicity?

Is socialize a trigger word? It has a real applicable meaning, you know. You'd prefer I use "national human collective economic subsystems"...?

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Socialism is the anti people war war cry. You honestly missed that? And as impressive as your rendering is. I prefer basic human right. And beyond right for anyone suffering or caring for.

Common needs. Common ground. Ignore the details and selfish.

Hyperfocusing on word specifics you deem imperfect is a you thing, not a me thing. I'll use "socialize" when I believe it fits and you can either understand what I mean, or create a silly interpretation in your mind for the purpose of creating conflict where there is none, but one is productive and one isn't.

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Hyperfocusing on word specifics you deem imperfect is a you thing, not a me thing. I'll use "socialize" when I believe it fits and you can either understand what I mean, or create a silly interpretation in your mind for the purpose of creating conflict where there is none, but one is productive and one isn't.

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And the flaw is demonstrated. I can understand what you mean either or. Dividing and displaying your not understanding universal understanding. If one must understand you?? You are not on their level. Please chech your perception of self. Mouth is out pacing posterior.

Hey man, I said something that's generally considered a nice thing, wanting Americans to be healthy and educated, and you had to find a way to crap on it. That's ridiculous and then I see you consider it a human right, which I'm sure you realize it takes money to achieve, which must be done through the income of the people as a whole, also known as...what? What is a word you would use to describe that? Because "human right" provides no funding whatsoever, where's this "human right" section on my pay stub? So, it really means we want the same thing, but you have to find a way to create conflict. And you know earlier you said to turn off the electronics, but you're doing the exact same thing of getting all spun up creating a divide for no reason. Take your own advice.