Septoria,Rust or what?

LeastExpectedGrower said:

Yeah, I think this is a water issue. At the very least move to RO or filtered water and don't use distilled water. I think that's a calcium issue more likely than something else. What is the EC/PPM of your well water? Mine is anywhere from 240-330PPM (.48-.66EC), so I filter it before use then add back the Ca. I have a feeling with the pH you're reporting that you probably have much lower EC and are effectively good to use it and just pH-Up properly.

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I have no idea about the ppm of this water, I will have to check that. Lots of good suggestions. Thanks. I will say that both plants are taking off in the new soil. And the spots are not getting any bigger or affecting more leaves . I just wanted to stay ahead of it if was a pest issue. I had powdery mildew awhile back attack a plant and ended up having to scrap 1/3 of it because I pissed around. I couldnt afford to wait until I sought help this time. These beans have been finishing waay faster than any other ive grown. 80 days from paper towel sprout to finish. So not alot of time to fix problems. Thank you for taking time to help me. Ive been pleasantly surprised how fast you all responded. Its about time that I usually switch to my water anyways.

After much looking at pics of leaf issues and consulting of yalls minds and others, I think who said calcium deficiency may be right. The starter pot on that plant was half the size of the solo cup the other was in. Maybe the happy frog ran low on Ca. Both plants have took off since transplanting. No more new spots. Got my fingers crossed thats it. I sure hope so. Id like a taste of fresh by Christmas. I'll keep posting some pics. Hope it helps others. Thanks yall! I asked for help and you came through. Many thanks.

CarolinaPothead said:

Hey yall, i have 2 plants . 1 has kept throwing fan leaves that develop these spots. I figure its probably septoria or rust but as ive never had either im not sure. Im now treating with neem oil. Ive already removed the affected leaves in the picture. I fkd up and posted on other threads. My bad. Im trying. Any help would be great. Thanks.

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Could be leaf septoria or mites. To diagnos the issue get a good microscope or jewlerer loup to scope it out. Either way, if you like you can try a sample of our 100% all natural, all-in-one insecticide and fungicide here. https://doctorzymes.com/wizard. It will get rid of leaf septoria, insects, fungus, mold, mildew, viruses, and bad bacteria causing disease in your garden.

TheAmazingDoctorZymes said:

Could be leaf septoria or mites. To diagnos the issue get a good microscope or jewlerer loup to scope it out. Either way, if you like you can try a sample of our 100% all natural, all-in-one insecticide and fungicide here. https://doctorzymes.com/wizard. It will get rid of leaf septoria, insects, fungus, mold, mildew, viruses, and bad bacteria causing disease in your garden.

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Its not mites. I have 2 good loupes and no bugs or eggs and no white debris around the spots. I sprayed neem oil just in case of septoria and to help prevent pests. Some of the new leaves have sideways curved tips. I changed to well water with a cap of cal-mag ph'd to 6.5. Hopefully this helps. Glad I started treating when I did. Plant 2 is throwing pistils at 25 days out of the paper towel. Thanks but no thanks on the offer. I dont give out my personal info over a weed forum.

Oils clog the plant stomata, keeping plants from maximum photosynthesis. Keep us posted how it goes. The sample was a suggestion not an offer.

CarolinaPothead said:

Its not mites. I have 2 good loupes and no bugs or eggs and no white debris around the spots. I sprayed neem oil just in case of septoria and to help prevent pests. Some of the new leaves have sideways curved tips. I changed to well water with a cap of cal-mag ph'd to 6.5. Hopefully this helps. Glad I started treating when I did. Plant 2 is throwing pistils at 25 days out of the paper towel. Thanks but no thanks on the offer. I dont give out my personal info over a weed forum.

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I'd be surprised if your well water didn't have cal and mag already.

Nope_49595933949 said:

I'd be surprised if your well water didn't have cal and mag already.

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It may have some, but not enough. Ive had to add cal-mag to it every grow. Thats part of the reason i mixed in the dolemite lime and epsom salts into the final container mix this time. Trying to put a little extra in there. In straight FFOF, for the 1st month they always do fine. But after that its like flipping a switch. They show every sign of needing the cal-mag and once i do add it the problem corrects. I had a bagseed plant that I never had to do anything to except the cal-mag. I only use bottled water for the first while. Usually its just spring water, but I used distilled this time. The other plant was great in it. If/when I have to add other nutes to the plants, it takes alot of ph up to get the well water back to 6.5ish. Other than the PM (also 1st time ever)last year, ph chasing was the only issue i had as i had shitty test gear. This problem is a first in 30 years of on and off growing. I was worried about septoria and figured here we go again. I really think that weak genetics has not helped. The weed might be higher in thc, but the old bagseed plants are much more resilient to conditions than these autos. I freaked because i knew they werent far from flowering and its so hard to fix problems after they start. Things have not gotten worse since transplanting. I think it may be alright now. Thanks for the discussion. I dont know anybody around here that can grow, let alone diagnose. So its nice to have people to talk to that love cannabis growing like I do.

TheAmazingDoctorZymes said:

Oils clog the plant stomata, keeping plants from maximum photosynthesis. Keep us posted how it goes. The sample was a suggestion not an offer.

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Ok sure, well thanks. I did ask for help so thanks for responding.

CarolinaPothead said:

After much looking at pics of leaf issues and consulting of yalls minds and others, I think who said calcium deficiency may be right. The starter pot on that plant was half the size of the solo cup the other was in. Maybe the happy frog ran low on Ca. Both plants have took off since transplanting. No more new spots. Got my fingers crossed thats it. I sure hope so. Id like a taste of fresh by Christmas. I'll keep posting some pics. Hope it helps others. Thanks yall! I asked for help and you came through. Many thanks.

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I thought my recent posts were on this thread. I didn't realize till just now I was posting on Skilla's thread. When I said I enjoyed that threads conversation I was wrong, I barely skimmed that thread and had it on my watch list. It was this thread I enjoyed. Oh well, time for a beer.

Have a beer, smoke a dab, and glad to have ya. Its so gd frustrating growing and having absolutely nobody to talk to that understands anything about growing. Its a hobby that ive really come to enjoy. If it werent for this forum and decent folk like yourself that dont mind helping a fellow grower get better, then id be the worse for it.

Ok, update. The plants are in that explosive growth stage now and are doing much better. The 1 with the leaf spots has not put off any new spotted leaves. I got a couple leaves clawing a little bit on the other but i know its the damned nitrogen in the fox farm cal-mag. There are a few burned tips and its daark green. It showed a few days ago but i poured a gallon of ph'd water (6.5 runoff) through and she has stabilized. I just timed it wrong i guess as the plant was starting flower when i added it and i didnt notice pistils till afterwards. Ive seen this before. I think will probably be fine once the plant uses up more nutes. My seedling is going fine so hopefully I'll have 3 to work with soon. Its been 18 months since i started using led lights. I stay humble and I learn stuff everyday. its a very rewarding hobby. Thanks to everybody that contributes to the discussion.

Doesn't look like leaf septoria to me. How they going now?

Quickly read through the replies and I’d like to throw in my two cents.

1. don’t ph water. It serves absolutely no purpose in soil growing. You do need to adjust ph if any Nutrient Solution to correct range.

2. if your water ph is off it’s a symptom of your water soirce needing attention. Most likely a small boy carbon/ sediment filter combo.

3. check Ppm of water andph. If ph is still low you may need a buffer like calmg organic to stabilize ph.

finally. Don’t grow in white buckets. Roots don’t like to see much light and lots of light go through clear or white or even red buckets. Black it up

Thai Fox said:

Doesn't look like leaf septoria to me. How they going now?

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The rust spots or whatever the hell it was i finally beat back with neem oil, careful and prompt defoliation of ANY leaves with a spot( i pulled a shoebox of leaves off to let air/light in) and extra ventilation. It tried to jump plants a couple times on leaves that touched the affected plant but i removed those and things are better. Im not sure what it was. I burned the big plant the 1st nute application, but its doin great now. Probably a month or so to go. The other one finally took off. It is like a different strain it looks ,smells different and is still stretching. I wondered for awhile if it was a photo it took so long to start flower. But things are better. The little gal is popping pistils and growing fast. These ILGM genetics are a grab bag. Every plant ive grown outta these beans has been completely different. But the big one is doing pretty good considering my cheap gear and suspect genetics. Its frosty AF. They have been taking alot of nutes compared to the last grows. Overall, nothing special but better than before. My hobby is fun again and im still learning new things which is what matters to me. Thanks for joining the discussion. Its fun sharing a hobby with others who love growing. Oh yeah, that one top is leaning so bad cause the light fell on it and nearly broke it.

green_machine_two9er said:

Quickly read through the replies and I’d like to throw in my two cents.

1. don’t ph water. It serves absolutely no purpose in soil growing. You do need to adjust ph if any Nutrient Solution to correct range.

2. if your water ph is off it’s a symptom of your water soirce needing attention. Most likely a small boy carbon/ sediment filter combo.

3. check Ppm of water andph. If ph is still low you may need a buffer like calmg organic to stabilize ph.

finally. Don’t grow in white buckets. Roots don’t like to see much light and lots of light go through clear or white or even red buckets. Black it up

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I have new gear for next run. Smart pots, and a better bar style light coming. Mephisto genetics beans and maybe a friggin tent if tax return allows. I have tried it both ways ph'ing the water. With mykos now, it sure isnt as big a deal, but my other grows it mattered. Just my experience. I have been working to dial in my environment. Im getting better. This is only my 6th led grow and the 4th auto run. I used to do outdoor or hps with stable bagseed and never used calmag or ph'd and did fine. I cant afford a water filter, but i dont think i need it. Ive gotten better at ph upping my water when i add nutes but honestly, i found a brand of spring water .89 a gallon that ph's to 6.5 exactly with a cap of tiger bloom and a cap of big bloom. It works for me. Im going ph perfect the next time i buy nutes as im not overly impressed with FF liquids. Youre right of course about the white buckets. I started to paint them or cover em but ill just use the smartpots after this run. I was in a hurry and cash strapped and needed weed growing asap and scavenged them from a building site nearby. Thanks for the input. I appreciate any advice from one grower to another.

Heres the current status of the plants. 2 outta 3 look good. All different phenos with wildly different characteristics. But ones coasting now. No more nutes on it. The others still have a long way to go. The ones so ugly i probably will make cannabutter. Little gal is leaning indica more than the others. Hopefully its good.

This plant is going to be 11 weeks from popping soil on dec.26th. I watered a half gallon plain water tonight and no more. She has a couple white hairs but just a couple. Alot of amber on the sugar leaves but mostly cloudy trichs on the buds. Smell has doubled in the last week. I guess even ILGM fks up and sells a good bean occasionally.lol. Im gonna trim a few lower buds and dry em for Christmas. Probably be harsh but my supply is low and it looks/smells great. Merry Christmas growmies! BTW.. I dont know why the pistils look so white in these pics. They are like 90% orange and gaining each day. They always look white on my pics.

I had the same problem with three plants and nothing cured it until I gave up on FFOF soil. Are you on the east coast by chance? The FFOF on the east coast is very "iffy" these days. In fact, my local nurseries all recommended against using it.

I know, I know. There will be a bunch of people coming in to say how well it works for them (probably on the west coast) but I'm standing firm. I've been through two different bags of FFOF and it was poison to my plants... I moved to happy frog and all my problems dissapeared... Something aint right with FFOF on the east coast..

I'm on the east coast too and have used ffhf for years and always had problems!

singlecoiled said:

I had the same problem with three plants and nothing cured it until I gave up on FFOF soil. Are you on the east coast by chance? The FFOF on the east coast is very "iffy" these days. In fact, my local nurseries all recommended against using it.

I know, I know. There will be a bunch of people coming in to say how well it works for them (probably on the west coast) but I'm standing firm. I've been through two different bags of FFOF and it was poison to my plants... I moved to happy frog and all my problems dissapeared... Something aint right with FFOF on the east coast..

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I order it off Amazon so im not sure where they ship it from. But I have only had problems with the autoflowers. ALL the photos i grew were fine in FFOF. Also, I now "pre"amend my amended soil. It used to run out of nutes before the stretch ended. I add epsom salts, composted cow manure, dolomite lime and mychorrizae. I start in solo cups of used soil and transplant when ready. My first auto runs i was still chasing Ph also. The Mychorrizae fixed that. That one plant was doing bad from the start. I had it in a tiny 8oz cup. I started it in the same used soil as the others and it developed spots from the 1st set of leaves on. I thought septoria but I believe the guys that said Ca deficency were right on that issue. Transplanting into my mix fixed that. Ive a nice compost pile i started last year and before long i hope to be using my own homemade super soil. I like the FFOF fine for what it is but id rather save money and become self sustainable. Hey thanks for joining the discussion! Its nice talkng with other growers. My wife cringes everytime I start talking about the plants. If i want to be left alone all i need to do is start talking about PPFD , DLI, or runoff Ph and she ghosts me. Thanks RIU! My growmies got me!