Sinema Leaves Democratic Party

Roger A. Shrubber · Dec 10, 2022

xtsho said:
Voted 93% with the Biden agenda. More than Bernie Sanders. Democrats should be ashamed at the way they're treating her. They talk about hate on the right yet here they are doing the same to Sinema.

Kyrsten Sinema has voted with Joe Biden more often than Bernie Sanders

Within the Democratic Caucus, Sinema votes more in line with Biden than five of her non-Republican colleagues.

www.newsweek.com

And here's that hack AOC lighting up twitter with her attacks. What has AOC ever done besides make the next headline? Shouldn't she be out shopping for what's she's going to wear to the next VIP event she attends?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1601305870931226626

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AOC is right, sinema's entire screed didn't have one bit of useful information in it, it sounded just like the republican party platform, which consists of hunters laptop and some nude photos of same....empty stupidity designed to placate morons...seems like it works on some people.

xtsho · Dec 10, 2022

Roger A. Shrubber said:
IF she wins in 24...that is a fucking monstrously HUGE IF
because the democrats will run a strong, well funded, literate opponent against her, and the republicans will smell blood in the water, and run someone who will appeal to all the people the democratic candidate will not appeal to...they'll both be better funded than sinema can possibly be, they'll bury her in ad time, in press releases, in door to door canvassing...they'll bury her alive, and never send flowers.

Ruben Gallego doesn't have a chance in hell of winning the Senate seat in 2024. He's too far left for the state. Doug Ducey is going to run and he's extremely popular in the state. The only chance of keeping that seat out of the hands of Republicans is a moderate like Sinema. The Democrats are too stupid to realize that and have chosen to enforce a purity test and were preparing to primary her with someone they could control and tell what to do. Sinema jumped over them and said kiss my ass. The Democrats can run another candidate or they can back Sinema. If they run their own candidate they're guaranteed to lose. They can either lick their wounds and back Sinema or they can run a different candidate and suffer a guaranteed loss.

The candidate they're likely to put forth does not have the Mark Kelley recognition and will never get the Independent vote needed to win. But I see the Democrats stupidly running a non-winnable candidate. They might as well have Clinton move to Arizona and rerun that trainwreck.

xtsho · Dec 10, 2022

Roger A. Shrubber said:
it is her choice, and people pay attention to those choices. she's fucking doomed...this will be her last term as a senator, she'll get some speaking engagements after this, and then slowly fade into the obscurity she deserves...she'll probably run a moderately successful company of some kind, but she's done as a politician.

We'll see in 2024. I don't think she is doomed. She might lose to Doug Ducey but that seat will definitely not be going to anyone the Democrats put forth in 2024.

Pick your poison. Sinema or Doug Ducey. Decisions decisions...

xtsho · Dec 10, 2022

Roger A. Shrubber said:
AOC is right, sinema's entire screed didn't have one bit of useful information in it, it sounded just like the republican party platform, which consists of hunters laptop and some nude photos of same....empty stupidity designed to placate morons...seems like it works on some people.

AOC is a hack. What has she done other than run her mouth and pose in fancy gowns for photo shoots? My extremely liberal Niece lives in her district and voted for her. Now she hates her. Says she's a worthless piece of garbage. That sentiment is apparently shared by many that voted for her. AOC is another 2022 beneficiary of the Republicans running complete nutcases. They ran Tina Forte a crazy qanon, trump loving, conspiracy freak. Had they ran someone like an Adam Kinzinger AOC would would no longer be holding that House seat.

Herb & Suds · Dec 10, 2022

xtsho said:
AOC is a hack. What has she done other than run her mouth and pose in fancy gowns for photo shoots? My extremely liberal Niece lives in her district and voted for her. Now she hates her. Says she's a worthless piece of garbage. That sentiment is apparently shared by many that voted for her. AOC is another 2022 beneficiary of the Republicans running complete nutcases. They ran Tina Forte a crazy qanon, trump loving, conspiracy freak. Had they ran someone like an Adam Kinzinger AOC would would no longer be holding that House seat.

Apparently you missed the memo
Todays GQP HATES RINO’s
And Kinzinger like any centrist has been branded as one

Roger A. Shrubber · Dec 10, 2022

xtsho said:
Ruben Gallego doesn't have a chance in hell of winning the Senate seat in 2024. He's too far left for the state. Doug Ducey is going to run and he's extremely popular in the state. The only chance of keeping that seat out of the hands of Republicans is a moderate like Sinema. The Democrats are too stupid to realize that and have chosen to enforce a purity test and were preparing to primary her with someone they could control and tell what to do. Sinema jumped over them and said kiss my ass. The Democrats can run another candidate or they can back Sinema. If they run their own candidate they're guaranteed to lose. They can either lick their wounds and back Sinema or they can run a different candidate and suffer a guaranteed loss.

The candidate they're likely to put forth does not have the Mark Kelley recognition and will never get the Independent vote needed to win. But I see the Democrats stupidly running a non-winnable candidate. They might as well have Clinton move to Arizona and rerun that trainwreck.

i'm pretty sure they'll run their own candidate and take the loss if that's how it works out. they had enough of her infidelity, i highly doubt they'll invite her back, in any way.

Roger A. Shrubber · Dec 10, 2022

xtsho said:
AOC is a hack. What has she done other than run her mouth and pose in fancy gowns for photo shoots? My extremely liberal Niece lives in her district and voted for her. Now she hates her. Says she's a worthless piece of garbage. That sentiment is apparently shared by many that voted for her. AOC is another 2022 beneficiary of the Republicans running complete nutcases. They ran Tina Forte a crazy qanon, trump loving, conspiracy freak. Had they ran someone like an Adam Kinzinger AOC would would no longer be holding that House seat.

AOC isn't the point...nice deflection though...and she IS right, sinema didn't SAY a goddamn thing. she made platitudes and apologies, and didn't offer a plan, or even a broad hint at a plan

tangerinegreen555 · Dec 10, 2022

This person is the classic politician.
Upside down in the polls a month ago, she becomes an (I).

No other reason other than news media attention and an attempt to hold on to the seat. Anybody who thinks she's 'special' for leaving the Dems has an obvious bias.

Anybody against a $15 minimum wage supports who? Not the people in that poll. I guess she's OK with the wealth gap.

If neither Democrats or Republicans really like her and she's under water with the (I)s...she better do something more spectacular than leaving the party that heavily funded her last election between now and 2024.

cannabineer · Dec 10, 2022

tangerinegreen555 said:
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This person is the classic politician.
Upside down in the polls a month ago, she becomes an (I).

No other reason other than news media attention and an attempt to hold on to the seat. Anybody who thinks she's 'special' for leaving the Dems has an obvious bias.

Anybody against a $15 minimum wage supports who? Not the people in that poll. I guess she's OK with the wealth gap.

If neither Democrats or Republicans really like her and she's under water with the (I)s...she better do something more spectacular than leaving the party that heavily funded her last election between now and 2024.

To be fair, I don’t think she is against raising the minimum wage in principle. She did not like the maneuver of appending it to the big Covid relief bill, and I see some sense in that stance. I could be wrong.

schuylaar · Dec 10, 2022

xtsho said:
Does it matter what I don't agree with? I don't see how it does.

“I’ve never fit neatly into any party box. I’ve never really tried. I don’t want to.”
Kyrsten Sinema

Ummmmm gonna say she fit neatly being LGBTQ in the Progressive wing that she was all too happy to have assist her; then she had amnesia.

Once again, she's welcome that her President codified something that defines her and everything that she is..still wonder which side her desk is gonna be on? <rhetorical>

tangerinegreen555 · Dec 10, 2022

cannabineer said:
To be fair, I don’t think she is against raising the minimum wage in principle. She did not like the maneuver of appending it to the big Covid relief bill, and I see some sense in that stance. I could be wrong.

OK maybe, but that $15 was in stages that took a couple years or whatever??
By the time they get $15, it will be more like $9.15

PJ Diaz · Dec 10, 2022

Herb & Suds said:
Apparently you missed the memo
Todays GQP HATES RINO’s
And Kinzinger like any centrist has been branded as one

Out of curiosity, what % of the GOP members do you consider QANON followers vs how many are RINO's vs those who fall in neither category?

cannabineer · Dec 10, 2022

tangerinegreen555 said:
OK maybe, but that $15 was in stages that took a couple years or whatever??
By the time they get $15, it will be more like $9.15

even so, I think they oughtta legislate it as a standalone and not a rider. Riders are a sort of extortion that really don’t belong in a well-run legislature.

schuylaar · Dec 10, 2022

cannabineer said:
To be fair, I don’t think she is against raising the minimum wage in principle. She did not like the maneuver of appending it to the big Covid relief bill, and I see some sense in that stance. I could be wrong.

I don't consider economic gain for hourly wage earners the be all and end all of pork..she should understand the definition..approval for it even in stages she was minimally Libertarian.

schuylaar · Dec 10, 2022

PJ Diaz said:
Out of curiosity, what % of the GOP members do you consider QANON followers vs how many are RINO's vs those who fall in neither category?

That's a question for you..I'm curious..which of the above do you fall into?

schuylaar · Dec 10, 2022

xtsho said:
Time for the Democrat and Republican parties to go the way of MySpace. They're not needed and they're both corrupt. They have become gatekeepers to the kingdom controlled and are controlled by a few powerful people. We need more politicians like Sinema to break away from the centralized corrupt political entities. Sinema leaving the Democratic party is good for our Democracy. It's just a crack in the wall for now but hopefully it will lead to the wall falling down.

Let's ask Sanders about that..I can't wait until they start calling Tulsi, Communist.

cannabineer · Dec 10, 2022

schuylaar said:
I don't consider economic gain for hourly wage earners the be all and end all of pork..she should understand the definition..approval for it even in stages she was minimally Libertarian.

Libertarians don’t think there should be any minimum wage.

edit: riders ≠ pork

Herb & Suds · Dec 10, 2022

PJ Diaz said:
Out of curiosity, what % of the GOP members do you consider QANON followers vs how many are RINO's vs those who fall in neither category?

Any that have been told they were RINO's and stuck around so 82%for the Jerry Springer crowd
They are no more centrist in the GQP

PJ Diaz · Dec 10, 2022

Herb & Suds said:
Any that have been told they were RINO's and stuck around so 82%for the Jerry Springer crowd
They are no more centrist in the GQP

So it's your assessment that the Democratic party is now comprised of around 40% former Republicans? That math doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

PJ Diaz · Dec 10, 2022

schuylaar said:
That's a question for you..I'm curious..which of the above do you fall into?

I'm a former life long Democrat who removed myself from any political party affiliation several years ago. As an independent I voted for Biden in the last election. So, I guess you'll have to tell me which group you'd like to define me into.

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