Smashing Capitalism!

Dankdude

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By Barbara Ehrenreich, HuffingtonPost.com. Posted August 22, 2007.

We may be witnessing the first time in history that the downtrodden manage to bring down an unfair economic system without going to the trouble of a revolution.​

Somewhere in the Hamptons a high-roller is cursing his cleaning lady and shaking his fists at the lawn guys. The American poor, who are usually tactful enough to remain invisible to the multi-millionaire class, suddenly leaped onto the scene and started smashing the global financial system. Incredibly enough, this may be the first case in history in which the downtrodden manage to bring down an unfair economic system without going to the trouble of a revolution.

First they stopped paying their mortgages, a move in which they were joined by many financially stretched middle class folks, though the poor definitely led the way. All right, these were trick mortgages, many of them designed to be unaffordable within two years of signing the contract. There were "NINJA" loans, for example, awarded to people with "no income, no job or assets." Conservative columnist Niall Fergusen laments the low levels of "economic literacy" that allowed people to be exploited by sub-prime loans. Why didn't these low-income folks get lawyers to go over the fine print? And don't they have personal financial advisors anyway?

Then, in a diabolically clever move, the poor - a category which now roughly coincides with the working class -- stopped shopping. Both Wal-Mart and Home Depot announced disappointing second quarter performances, plunging the market into another Arctic-style meltdown. H. Lee Scott, CEO of the low-wage Wal-Mart empire, admitted with admirable sensitivity, that "it's no secret that many customers are running out of money at the end of the month."

I wish I could report that the current attack on capitalism represents a deliberate strategy on the part of the poor, that there have been secret meetings in break rooms and parking lots around the country, where cell leaders issued instructions like, "You, Vinny -- don't make any mortgage payment this month. And Caroline, forget that back-to-school shopping, OK?" But all the evidence suggests that the current crisis is something the high-rollers brought down on themselves.

When, for example, the largest private employer in America, which is Wal-Mart, starts experiencing a shortage of customers, it needs to take a long, hard look in the mirror. About a century ago, Henry Ford realized that his company would only prosper if his own workers earned enough to buy Fords. Wal-Mart, on the other hand, never seemed to figure out that its cruelly low wages would eventually curtail its own growth, even at the company's famously discounted prices.

The sad truth is that people earning Wal-Mart-level wages tend to favor the fashions available at the Salvation Army. Nor do they have much use for Wal-Mart's other departments, such as Electronics, Lawn and Garden, and Pharmacy.

It gets worse though. While with one hand the high-rollers, H. Lee Scott among them, squeezed the American worker's wages, the other hand was reaching out with the tempting offer of credit. In fact, easy credit became the American substitute for decent wages. Once you worked for your money, but now you were supposed to pay for it. Once you could count on earning enough to save for a home. Now you'll never earn that much, but, as the lenders were saying -- heh, heh -- do we have a mortgage for you!

Pay day loans, rent-to-buy furniture and exorbitant credit card interest rates for the poor were just the beginning. In its May 21st cover story on "The Poverty Business," BusinessWeek documented the stampede, in the just the last few years, to lend money to the people who could least afford to pay the interest: Buy your dream home! Refinance your house! Take on a car loan even if your credit rating sucks! Financiamos a Todos! Somehow, no one bothered to figure out where the poor were going to get the money to pay for all the money they were being offered.

Personally, I prefer my revolutions to be a little more pro-active. There should be marches and rallies, banners and sit-ins, possibly a nice color theme like red or orange. Certainly, there should be a vision of what you intend to replace the bad old system with -- European-style social democracy, Latin American-style socialism, or how about just American capitalism with some regulation thrown in?

Global capitalism will survive the current credit crisis; already, the government has rushed in to soothe the feverish markets. But in the long term, a system that depends on extracting every last cent from the poor cannot hope for a healthy prognosis. Who would have thought that foreclosures in Stockton and Cleveland would roil the markets of London and Shanghai? The poor have risen up and spoken; only it sounds less like a shout of protest than a low, strangled, cry of pain.
 

Dankdude

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Just as there should be class envy, it is the Republicans who have caused the disparity between the classes. The middle class has been dwindling steadily since Bush has been in office. But you just keep on waring your rose colored glasses, one day you will be the one who is being killed for your money when the economy totally collapses.
 

7xstall

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Just as there should be class envy, it is the Republicans who have caused the disparity between the classes. The middle class has been dwindling steadily since Bush has been in office. But you just keep on waring your rose colored glasses, one day you will be the one who is being killed for your money when the economy totally collapses.
it's also logical to point out that Bush has been the least faithful to Republican beliefs of any of the last 5 presidents, including democrats!

no one else has expanded federal power to this extent since FDR and his silent revolution.






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medicineman

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it's also logical to point out that Bush has been the least faithful to Republican beliefs of any of the last 5 presidents, including democrats!

no one else has expanded federal power to this extent since FDR and his silent revolution.

Baaahhh. Right wing drivel, Baaaahhh.



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Dankdude

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it's also logical to point out that Bush has been the least faithful to Republican beliefs of any of the last 5 presidents, including democrats!

no one else has expanded federal power to this extent since FDR and his silent revolution..
Yes, But we had a republican congress and senate for the past 12 years before we got the congress and senate that we have now. So what's your point again?
 

7xstall

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it will recover, but there has to be a major coup first, one that re-aligns the compass. Ron Paul could very well be the first step.

the only strength of the dems is that they openly wallow in their squalor with absolutely no shame...




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Dankdude

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Now that is bullshit and you know it 7x, Med would you please use the term republican to conservative in my threads.. I have asked Vi to extend the same courtesy.
 

medicineman

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Now that is bullshit and you know it 7x, Med would you please use the term republican to conservative in my threads.. I have asked Vi to extend the same courtesy.
Ehhh, you want me to change the term from repuke to conservative or from conservative to repuke or what?????
 

Dankdude

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Conservative or Republican... Same as I want Vi to use the terms Democrat or Liberal.

Personally when it gets to name calling of the parties it takes the credibility out of the argument. I don't go around calling Libertarians Losertarians. (because they haven't won a national election yet)
 

medicineman

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Conservative or Republican... Same as I want Vi to use the terms Democrat or Liberal.

Personally when it gets to name calling of the parties it takes the credibility out of the argument. I don't go around calling Libertarians Losertarians. (because they haven't won a national election yet)
Wow, you mean repuke is out, I can't live with that, I mean it fits them so well, you know like libobats, democraps etc. It's all in fun, whats the uptightness all about? And here's another question. How do you figure you own a thread. If you start a thread, does that mean all content is your responsibility, I think not. how could you control what others post, wouldn't that be a form of sensorship? I don't think you can ban someone from posting on your threads and for gods sake why would you want to. Isnt the bantering back and forth the whole purpose. I retain the right to calls em as I sees them.
 

Dankdude

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Not that I own the thread, I started one yes, But I don't think that name calling the parties gets the point across as well as putting it across respectfully.

I think we can debate and be gentlemen about it. Yeah I know it's hard, but I think if we really tried we could all be capable of it.

Which would you prefer? Your a fucking asshole or Jane you ignorant slut? :mrgreen:
 

medicineman

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Not that I own the thread, I started one yes, But I don't think that name calling the parties gets the point across as well as putting it across respectfully.

I think we can debate and be gentlemen about it. Yeah I know it's hard, but I think if we really tried we could all be capable of it.

Which would you prefer? Your a fucking asshole or Jane you ignorant slut? :mrgreen:
Quite frankly, either one would suffice, it's all in jest anyway as we know by now, or should, that the assholes we are argueing with will never see it our way, so getting serious is useless. I really appreciate all the time and effort you put into your posts, and respect the content. In fact, if you notice, about 95% of the time I'm right with you. It's when the opposition start up with that right wing rhetorical crap that I start with calling bullshit. It makes my day to argue with these jerks, in fact I went to a right wing site just to give them shit, They banned me as they didn't have the balls to debate me, I still go there and post stuff to drive them crazy, Universal health care drives them insane. I request a mod, then give him shit, Makes my day. This is not the only site I abuse.
 

Dankdude

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Quite frankly, either one would suffice, it's all in jest anyway as we know by now, or should, that the assholes we are argueing with will never see it our way, so getting serious is useless. I really appreciate all the time and effort you put into your posts, and respect the content. In fact, if you notice, about 95% of the time I'm right with you. It's when the opposition start up with that right wing rhetorical crap that I start with calling bullshit. It makes my day to argue with these jerks, in fact I went to a right wing site just to give them shit, They banned me as they didn't have the balls to debate me, I still go there and post stuff to drive them crazy, Universal health care drives them insane. I request a mod, then give him shit, Makes my day. This is not the only site I abuse.

LOL, Maybe you should link me to the rightwing site... I'm pretty sure that between the 2 of us we could bury them. :mrgreen:
I'll go as my alterego... if you link me do it in a PM.

You know what's funny, My CB handle when I drove truck was Medicineman. No shit.
 

medicineman

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LOL, Maybe you should link me to the rightwing site... I'm pretty sure that between the 2 of us we could bury them. :mrgreen:
I'll go as my alterego... if you link me do it in a PM.

You know what's funny, My CB handle when I drove truck was Medicineman. No shit.

Thats funny. When I got pissed at this site and left a while back, My name was medicinaluseonly. when I came to my senses and realized I missed the banter here, I wanted to come back with a similar name, hence medicineman. I figured with a name like medicinaluseonly, if this was a bust site, I could claim I was a medicinal user and was only looking for advice. Medicineman was a handle applied to me back in my walk on water days. Those were some far out experiences. I'm really glad I had them, Kinda let me feel what the Indians felt before the white plague came down on them. You'd be amazed at what the human body can do under the right influences. Dodging bullets would definently be possible.
 

Dankdude

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Yeah during my younger days I did a bit of Shamanistic exploration.
I'm well acquainted with the writings of Carlos Castaneda.
 

ViRedd

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OK, now if you have a Republican that is a liberal, and a Democrat that's conservative, what shall we call these?

And, going along with the gist of the thread: As you two gentlemen probably have assumed by now, I listen to a lot of conservative talk radio. I can vouch for what 7x said ... the Republican Party is in a shambles. The good news for conservatives is, the troops are totally pissed off at those who are running the party. Take Bush for instance ... most who call themselves conservative are just sick over the huge amount of spending during his term. They are sick and tired of his lack of response regarding the illegal alien situation. Same with the Republican's in Congress. They have authorized the money to complete the fence along the southern border and have done virtually nothing with it. The Republican's lost control of the house and senate becasue of their NON-conservative ways. Either the Republican politicians will have to change their ways and become champions for a smaller, less intrusive government again, or they will be out of power for a very long time. Don't think the Democrats are in any better shape either. Congress' approval rating is below 20% at this time, and that's about half of Bush's rating.

Vi
 
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