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bob harris

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SketchyGrower said:
If all you got out of that video.... was this little paragraph. You clearly were watching it with closed eyes. plus the video talks about the Illegal drug word and had nothing at all to say about the "medical side" of things in respects to growing cannabis. I Notice how you could not help but, throw in " Basically agrees with all my viewpoints." &" So, if you interpret this video as preaching legalization as meaning anyone can grow or sell..you didn't really watch. No..it proposes a very strict distribution system"

this shows your only after protecting your own view point. no matter what is shown to you. I on the other hand have a ever evolving prospective. was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt but, time and time again it's all the same. Attack another point of view indirectly by starting a thread with a title that undoubtedly sparks controversy. Your ideas are not new and not alone but, the speaking patterns you express are very narcissistic.
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It's an hour a 45 min or something...I watched the whole thing...and gave you a brief synopsis.

It DOES basically agree with all my viewpoints. Gives a great overview of the history of cannabis..extols it's harmless virtues, makes a clear argument that it is less dangerous over all than alcohol. Clearly shows that it is actually easier for a minor to get than alcohol, because illegal things are easy to get..just neeed money. It expains that youth have a harder time getting alcohol, because it's right at the store...but you need a "license" Or ID..but age proof, to buy it. they can buy cannabis on the playground..

They then say that legalizing cannabis would actually reduce mis use and minor use, to which there is great logic.

But their definition of "legalize" is a heavily regulated and controlled system..almost identical to alcohol..
That's probably the part you did not hear...watch it again....actually pay attention this time.

If you care to talk about any specific part of the video, let me know..But watch it again, listen carefully..then ask me specific questions..happy to help you through it.

But please, don't tell me I'm wrong without telling me why..go in the video an make not of time marks at Key points..show me what I must have missed..please

First time through, I already time stamped some critical snippets...so I'm ready....find your points in the film, and lets discuss them...

Here is a hint...start listening close around the 23 minute point....
 
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bob harris

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Here, I'll make it easy....you really only need to listen to 5 minutes of the tape, the rest sounds like what you want it to be..cannabis rainbows and free grows for everyone ideology....but listen to how the define "legal" from the 30:00 minute mark, to the 35:00 minute mark

The 5 small minutes you must have missed.

I suspect were done talking about the tape now...point proven
 
Corso312

Corso312

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Bob, we are worlds apart on cannabis our view on cannabis...curious to what your thoughts are on some other things...You seem to have absolute trust in the government ...do you believe there were WOMD in Iraq?...do you believe we should have invaded Iraq?Do you believe Saddam had any part in 911?.
 
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Cory and trevor

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bob believes in whatever keeps the fight going. I see a small man in a small room on a small pc keeping himself busy. breakdown and start watching soaps already and leave people alone. you fight and instigate on this site and call it debate. you take any viewpoint that you think will get people riled up. your end game is only to entertain yourself. it's sick and only fun for you. shows me you dont' really give a shit about anything other then your entertainment and I realy wish you'd find another anything to entertain yourself. go argue music points of view with teenagers on some other forum, they get off on this stupid crap too but I really think riu as a whole had had its fill of bob.
 
SketchyGrower

SketchyGrower

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bob harris said:
It's an hour a 45 min or something...I watched the whole thing...and gave you a brief synopsis.

It DOES basically agree with all my viewpoints. Gives a great overview of the history of cannabis..extols it's harmless virtues, makes a clear argument that it is less dangerous over all than alcohol. Clearly shows that it is actually easier for a minor to get than alcohol, because illegal things are easy to get..just neeed money. It expains that youth have a harder time getting alcohol, because it's right at the store...but you need a "license" Or ID..but age proof, to buy it. they can buy cannabis on the playground..

They then say that legalizing cannabis would actually reduce mis use and minor use, to which there is great logic.

But their definition of "legalize" is a heavily regulated and controlled system..almost identical to alcohol..
That's probably the part you did not hear...watch it again....actually pay attention this time.

If you care to talk about any specific part of the video, let me know..But watch it again, listen carefully..then ask me specific questions..happy to help you through it.

But please, don't tell me I'm wrong without telling me why..go in the video an make not of time marks at Key points..show me what I must have missed..please

First time through, I already time stamped some critical snippets...so I'm ready....find your points in the film, and lets discuss them...

Here is a hint...start listening close around the 23 minute point....
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rainbows.... really? I have done no insulting to you.besides call you narcissistic... well recently at least :wink: .. but, rainbows I have no defense against those and you come to me with that..


and No. it's more around the 1:11:11 (or so) point you need to start "watching"

pointing out how out of that video you only were looking for things to prove your point of view it would seem from your post . Ignoring everything from the reasons why cannabis is Illegal (government profit) and focusing on a hole 5 mins. To blind faith to follow a so called "regulation". I DON'T WANT LEGALIZATION ! "YOU" put the idea that I meant this as a legalization film out there. I simply did a character evaluation on your answers making it seem likely to me...your not here to debate or problem solve ..(would be a better term).. Your here to Divide! In my line of work knowing people is important and I invite you to have a smoke with me in person and prove me wrong about that observation.


pointing out certain parts of the videos for debate would be fine. just that after your answers I can almost guaranty you would take an opposite stance just to do so. for fun?

I don't have enough time left on this planet to fight and bicker about who is right or wrong over the internet ... not very good time management if you ask me.. just try and use common sense and hope for the best. it's been a good 29 years....




this video failed. failed to get you to ask questions. anyone that can open there eyes to the simple fact power corrupts. and who are the most powerful people in the world? our world at least? is it the kings and queens of Europe and the middle east? A marijuana prohibition complex! we have built a entire branch of government into a empire from Drug testing,Corrections facilities ,fighting off..exc from the prohibition of this plant. this HARMLESS plant... no recorded deaths in over 10,000 years of use. now, we have reached over are own boarders to influence all or most every country's policy on cannabis. I mean.. India?!... India get's paid to eradicate fields of cannabis. not merely a plant to them but a Goddess

"Kali-MaThe most ancient goddess still worshiped in the world today is the Indian Kali-Ma, the Mother of Life and Death. Her worship stretches back into pre-history, and is believed to predate that of her more well-known consort Shiva, the longest continually worshiped god on earth. Both Shiva and Kali are strongly associated with marijuana."


and they openly eradicate this holy herb... why? because we pay them to do so...(Brittan I mean our sister)

again, maybe if you watch this with out the idea of legalization in mind you'll get something out of it... I doubt it tho.



let me ask you this one bob. what do you want your kid experimenting on his own with? a 5th of jack or a 8th of jack doubt you will surprise me with this answer....O please do.


bob harris said:
Here, I'll make it easy....you really only need to listen to 5 minutes of the tape, the rest sounds like what you want it to be..cannabis rainbows and free grows for everyone ideology....but listen to how the define "legal" from the 30:00 minute mark, to the 35:00 minute mark

The 5 small minutes you must have missed.

I suspect were done talking about the tape now...point proven
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[video=youtube;r2YyTpXkges]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2YyTpXkges[/video]


did you go Bipolar on me here bob? way different tone in this post from the previous one

and again... If it stays illegal it stays $$$ and I can grow..... why would I ever want to change that?
 
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bob harris

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Corso312 said:
Bob, we are worlds apart on cannabis our view on cannabis...curious to what your thoughts are on some other things...You seem to have absolute trust in the government ...do you believe there were WOMD in Iraq?...do you believe we should have invaded Iraq?Do you believe Saddam had any part in 911?.
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I believe there were chemical weapons in Iraq..they had already been used. Nuclear? Probably not. Big desert..easy to bury a chemical stockpile so that it is never found...Should we have invaded Iraq? We waited too long..should have gone in after they brutalized Kuwait..Had any part in 911? maybe not directly...but I bet he smiled when it happened.
 
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bob harris

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SketchyGrower said:
rainbows.... really? I have done no insulting to you.besides call you narcissistic... well recently at least :wink: .. but, rainbows I have no defense against those and you come to me with that..


and No. it's more around the 1:11:11 (or so) point you need to start "watching"

pointing out how out of that video you only were looking for things to prove your point of view it would seem from your post . Ignoring everything from the reasons why cannabis is Illegal (government profit) and focusing on a hole 5 mins. To blind faith to follow a so called "regulation". I DON'T WANT LEGALIZATION ! "YOU" put the idea that I meant this as a legalization film out there. I simply did a character evaluation on your answers making it seem likely to me...your not here to debate or problem solve ..(would be a better term).. Your here to Divide! In my line of work knowing people is important and I invite you to have a smoke with me in person and prove me wrong about that observation.


pointing out certain parts of the videos for debate would be fine. just that after your answers I can almost guaranty you would take an opposite stance just to do so. for fun?

I don't have enough time left on this planet to fight and bicker about who is right or wrong over the internet ... not very good time management if you ask me.. just try and use common sense and hope for the best. it's been a good 29 years....




this video failed. failed to get you to ask questions. anyone that can open there eyes to the simple fact power corrupts. and who are the most powerful people in the world? our world at least? is it the kings and queens of Europe and the middle east? A marijuana prohibition complex! we have built a entire branch of government into a empire from Drug testing,Corrections facilities ,fighting off..exc from the prohibition of this plant. this HARMLESS plant... no recorded deaths in over 10,000 years of use. now, we have reached over are own boarders to influence all or most every country's policy on cannabis. I mean.. India?!... India get's paid to eradicate fields of cannabis. not merely a plant to them but a Goddess

"Kali-MaThe most ancient goddess still worshiped in the world today is the Indian Kali-Ma, the Mother of Life and Death. Her worship stretches back into pre-history, and is believed to predate that of her more well-known consort Shiva, the longest continually worshiped god on earth. Both Shiva and Kali are strongly associated with marijuana."


and they openly eradicate this holy herb... why? because we pay them to do so...(Brittan I mean our sister)

again, maybe if you watch this with out the idea of legalization in mind you'll get something out of it... I doubt it tho.



let me ask you this one bob. what do you want your kid experimenting on his own with? a 5th of jack or a 8th of jack doubt you will surprise me with this answer....O please do.




[video=youtube;r2YyTpXkges]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2YyTpXkges[/video]


did you go Bipolar on me here bob? way different tone in this post from the previous one

and again... If it stays illegal it stays $$$ and I can grow..... why would I ever want to change that?
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As for my kids..they choose not to smoke cannabis...or drink. I have always told them that cannabis is the lesser of the two 'evils'...

As for your statement on the "government wants to profit"..that's your view..I say they want their tax revenues, like they would get from any other business...should the cannabis industry be un taxed?

If your wish is for cannabis to remain totally illegal, so that prices remain high and you can profit..then we have no need to talk...we won't get along.

I'm actually for legalization with regulation..it makes the harmless herb available, lowers cost, and benefits the economy as a whole.

My point in these discussions is to want a med law, to give you protection while continuing to profit from the illegal unregulated sale of cannabis..is defeating any chance at legalization.

That is why so many want to continue to do illegal thing while they hide behind med laws..their true desire is to keep things illegal and insure their selfish personal gain

Just as I totally understand the history, religious and medicinal values of cannabis...you totally
don't really care about any of those things...You have admitted that you just want to keep it as profitable for your self as you can.

I get the film..it's about making it available to all, for all the reasons you state..while regulating it so that prices drop and taxes are paid..like any other business.....
 
CharlieBud

CharlieBud

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bob harris said:
As for my kids..they choose not to smoke cannabis...or drink. I have always told them that cannabis is the lesser of the two 'evils'...
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Exactly, YOU have bought into the plant being bad and needing to be controlled. It isn't bad, its a low toxicity plant with medicinal properties. Your daughters will not be drawn uncontrollably to Jazz musicians or migrant labor. It will all be OK Bob, you don; need to be feeling so much guilt over using this "Evil" plant. We understand YOU are in need and YOU are able to handle what most people can not.
 
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bob harris

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CharlieBud said:
Exactly, YOU have bought into the plant being bad and needing to be controlled. It isn't bad, its a low toxicity plant with medicinal properties. Your daughters will not be drawn uncontrollably to Jazz musicians or migrant labor. It will all be OK Bob, you don; need to be feeling so much guilt over using this "Evil" plant. We understand YOU are in need and YOU are able to handle what most people can not.
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I have never ever ever said the plant was bad. You guys have to believe that is what I've said, to avoid talking about it like a business. You want the legal system to protect illegal activities....I want to make illegal activities legal...

you twist my words..so that you can justify your anti government views...You want the protection of the legal system..with no regulation or taxation...

I've also never said it should not be available to all....merely that abusing the med law, is not the way to increase availability to all.

The simple truth is, you can't justify any of your thought...so you go off on a tangent to avoid having to make a logical statement about how to make it available, and accepted.
 
CharlieBud

CharlieBud

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bob harris said:
I have never ever ever said the plant was bad. You guys have to believe that is what I've said, to avoid talking about it like a business. You want the legal system to protect illegal activities....I want to make illegal activities legal...

you twist my words..so that you can justify your anti government views...You want the protection of the legal system..with no regulation or taxation...

I've also never said it should not be available to all....merely that abusing the med law, is not the way to increase availability to all.
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I recommend you have someone reread your posts for you so you are aware of what you are saying vs. what you think you are. Your support for government intrusion into our bedrooms and lack of appreciation for individual liberty is embedded in almost all of your posts.

bob harris said:
The simple truth is, you can't justify any of your thought...so you go off on a tangent to avoid having to make a logical statement about how to make it available, and accepted.
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A logical statement how to make it available? Well the existing model for tomatoes works pretty well, how about we use it? Legalize it and subject to normal land use and agricultural regulations. After a short adjustment period the prices will fall to normal herb or produce levels.

Health and safety laws applicable to cannabis in food from as well. If its a brownie, regardless of cannabis or not, must be clean and properly labelled. Basically let the cannabis just be another GRAS ingredient, as it is safe. Yes, it has mental effects, but so does a good chocolate cake or a big turkey dinner.
 
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bob harris

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CharlieBud said:
I recommend you have someone reread your posts for you so you are aware of what you are saying vs. what you think you are. Your support for government intrusion into our bedrooms and lack of appreciation for individual liberty is embedded in almost all of your posts.



A logical statement how to make it available? Well the existing model for tomatoes works pretty well, how about we use it? Legalize it and subject to normal land use and agricultural regulations. After a short adjustment period the prices will fall to normal herb or produce levels.

Health and safety laws applicable to cannabis in food from as well. If its a brownie, regardless of cannabis or not, must be clean and properly labelled. Basically let the cannabis just be another GRAS ingredient, as it is safe. Yes, it has mental effects, but so does a good chocolate cake or a big turkey dinner.
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I'm all for individual liberty...what about those that oppose cannabis? Should their individual liberty be ignored? I'm totally against anyone "peering in bedrooms" that's an ideal you have made up about me,to avoid rational discussion.
you want individual liberty for yourself..not all...

Tomatoes? yea, right....same exact thing. avoidance of logic..your only argument..
 
Corso312

Corso312

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Bob why do you care what people think? people sit in bars for hours and drive home, so what if someone wants to chill and bullshit with other people at a club ? Me personally ? not my thing...but I don't care if other choose to....still waiting for your response on the iraq thoughts...
 
CharlieBud

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bob harris said:
I'm all for individual liberty...what about those that oppose cannabis? Should their individual liberty be ignored? I'm totally against anyone "peering in bedrooms" that's an ideal you have made up about me,to avoid rational discussion.
you want individual liberty for yourself..not all...

Tomatoes? yea, right....same exact thing. avoidance of logic..your only argument..
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What about those opposed to black people? Or those who hate Chinese food? No one is talking about FORCING anyone to use or grow it, that would be a liberty issue. Having access to something you don't want is not being denied liberty. Is that hard to understand the difference? Just like you are free to have a camel piss down your throat, but not everyone wants to. That does not mean somehow because you are free to so that I (who does not want to engage in this activity) has had MY liberty impinged. Your throat, your camel, your choice.

You seem OK with cops and politicians worrying about our bedrooms and the plants that could be in them. Those low toxicity plants with medicinal properties. Clearly if we are concerned that there may be some inside a house and need to send SWAT to intervene, they are DEADLY plants!

How is it avoidance of logic to treat agricultural products consistently or to support liberty? Why would it not work the same as tomatoes? Its only a problem if you think the plant is bad and needs to be controlled. Which again, you CLEARLY do.
 
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bob harris

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Corso312 said:
Bob why do you care what people think? people sit in bars for hours and drive home, so what if someone wants to chill and bullshit with other people at a club ? Me personally ? not my thing...but I don't care if other choose to....still waiting for your response on the iraq thoughts...
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Posted my Iraq views awhile back..you're way behind

The rest of your statement is silly... drunk driving is dangerous..so is stoned driving...you shouldn't fire upo a fatty and get behind the wheel. Like drinking, everyone has different tolerances for cannabis. You wish to ignore that.
 
Corso312

Corso312

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bob harris said:
I believe there were chemical weapons in Iraq..they had already been used. Nuclear? Probably not. Big desert..easy to bury a chemical stockpile so that it is never found...Should we have invaded Iraq? We waited too long..should have gone in after they brutalized Kuwait..Had any part in 911? maybe not directly...but I bet he smiled when it happened.
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Bob..We do not see eye to eye on anything..you are wrong again..The U.S. supplied Iraq with chemical weapons, the same government who you think can do no wrong and should handle cannabis regulation ..there were never any nuclear weapons..and we should have never invaded Iraq...you are clueless ..those are facts..should we invade Sudan? North Korea? Saudi Arabia? they are brutalizing people too
 
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