Spiraling leaves? PH issues?

Whats up everyone?

I am seeing issues in a select few plants of my crop and have looked all around and am somewhat stumped in what it could be. Currently (see pictures), the leaves are spiraling and almost look to be reverting stages. They are all mature plants with about 5 months of Veg and are in a greenhouse that provides 10 hours of light with a majority of that being direct light. Our soils consist of kelp meal, fish meal, bone meal, lime, azomite, alfalfa meal, guano, castings, etc for base nutrients.. What seems to be the most popular explanation is that there is a issue with our PH but it also looks like possibly unstable genetics although the seeds are from HSO and I've never had a bad experience with them. Any ideas?

Was the soil mixed well enough?
Did you "cook" the soil mix long enough?
Turn it much as it cooked?
Keep it nicely moist?

I've seen "hot" or soils not "cooked" long enough do that to plants! Kinda looks like it may have hot spots.....

I'm having same thing happening too one of mine...new leaves look deformed...at first I thought it was heat stress but now idk....mine are still small so it's only the new leaves coming in that look like that. Hopefully one of us comes up with an answer lol

Edit: mine are also in just basic soil. 50/40/10 ( peatmoss/ perlite/ vermiculite) I feed with technafloras line up.

Dr. Who said:

Was the soil mixed well enough?
Did you "cook" the soil mix long enough?
Turn it much as it cooked?
Keep it nicely moist?

I've seen "hot" or soils not "cooked" long enough do that to plants! Kinda looks like it may have hot spots.....

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Definitely think I didn't cook it long enough. 20 of the girls had only a little over a week and the rest (Majority of ones showing this issue) didn't get cooked at all and we're just mixed in just prior to transplanting. Not my usual method but my circumstances didn't quite allow for the correct way of doing things to go down. I'll keep an eye out for more signs. I guess I was just hoping it was anything but my own mistake haha. Probably a minor setback but a setback at that. Thanks for your reply Dr!

Maine HomeGrown said:

Definitely think I didn't cook it long enough. 20 of the girls had only a little over a week and the rest (Majority of ones showing this issue) didn't get cooked at all and we're just mixed in just prior to transplanting. Not my usual method but my circumstances didn't quite allow for the correct way of doing things to go down. I'll keep an eye out for more signs. I guess I was just hoping it was anything but my own mistake haha. Probably a minor setback but a setback at that. Thanks for your reply Dr!

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Yeah, I would have let the soil "cook" for at least 30 days with what your adding to build it....

As long as they throw more then 3 leaves to a set (stress sign if not),,bloom away!

New growth stays free of that look - your golden.

Always remember that most P sources, especially Bone meals are slow release... So, if you recharge/reuse your soils. Keep your P additions low - focus more on N as that gets used much faster......Cooking of recharged soils is still a point. Maybe as little as 2 weeks but, still needed in my book for smooth results through out the run.

Maine HomeGrown said:

Whats up everyone?

I am seeing issues in a select few plants of my crop and have looked all around and am somewhat stumped in what it could be. Currently (see pictures), the leaves are spiraling and almost look to be reverting stages. They are all mature plants with about 5 months of Veg and are in a greenhouse that provides 10 hours of light with a majority of that being direct light. Our soils consist of kelp meal, fish meal, bone meal, lime, azomite, alfalfa meal, guano, castings, etc for base nutrients.. What seems to be the most popular explanation is that there is a issue with our PH but it also looks like possibly unstable genetics although the seeds are from HSO and I've never had a bad experience with them. Any ideas?

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Have you considered bugs, like broad mites maybe?

Dr. Who said:

Yeah, I would have let the soil "cook" for at least 30 days with what your adding to build it....

As long as they throw more then 3 leaves to a set (stress sign if not),,bloom away!

New growth stays free of that look - your golden.

Always remember that most P sources, especially Bone meals are slow release... So, if you recharge/reuse your soils. Keep your P additions low - focus more on N as that gets used much faster......Cooking of recharged soils is still a point. Maybe as little as 2 weeks but, still needed in my book for smooth results through out the run.

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Appreciate it man. I did notice that it's down to a select few that have it only on 1 or 2 branches and does appear to be happening on some of their new growth. I think I've got it narrowed down to the two things you guys mentioned so I will treat for both and wait it out.

KryptoBud said:

Have you considered bugs, like broad mites maybe?

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Yes, I've seen very few but there has been spider mites spotted. I treated them initially with quantum apocolypse. From what I remember, broad mites cannot really be seen or seen well with the naked eye and I went ahead today after your post and treated them all to a dusting of Diatomaceous Earth as that proved to be worthy in the past as the broad mites seemed to be resistant to more than the spider mites in my experience. Time will tell now.



Thanks to the both of you, I will be back with results!

Maine HomeGrown said:

Appreciate it man. I did notice that it's down to a select few that have it only on 1 or 2 branches and does appear to be happening on some of their new growth. I think I've got it narrowed down to the two things you guys mentioned so I will treat for both and wait it out.




Yes, I've seen very few but there has been spider mites spotted. I treated them initially with quantum apocolypse. From what I remember, broad mites cannot really be seen or seen well with the naked eye and I went ahead today after your post and treated them all to a dusting of Diatomaceous Earth as that proved to be worthy in the past as the broad mites seemed to be resistant to more than the spider mites in my experience. Time will tell now.



Thanks to the both of you, I will be back with results!

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I know it's a hard pill to swallow but if you do get the "Bad"mites, like Broad or Russet.
FORBID 4F works for those that burrow in well!
E-Bay for small affordable amounts....

I researched (Toxicology reports, testing reports, etc) Forbid very well before making the leap. Safe - organic source (Lost during refinement) and Kills the same way insecticide soaps do......dries them out. Effective at all stages.

That (your problem) ain't Broad or russet mites!

Dr. Who said:

Yeah, I would have let the soil "cook" for at least 30 days with what your adding to build it....

As long as they throw more then 3 leaves to a set (stress sign if not),,bloom away!

New growth stays free of that look - your golden.

Always remember that most P sources, especially Bone meals are slow release... So, if you recharge/reuse your soils. Keep your P additions low - focus more on N as that gets used much faster......Cooking of recharged soils is still a point. Maybe as little as 2 weeks but, still needed in my book for smooth results through out the run.

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Can you get a jump start on cooking soil you're gonna recycle by dumping some boiling water threw it a week or so before the plant thats in it is harvested?

KryptoBud said:

Can you get a jump start on cooking soil you're gonna recycle by dumping some boiling water threw it a week or so before the plant thats in it is harvested?

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Bad idea! That would kill the living goodness - both bacteria and fungus.....

In my organic recycle. I add back some EWC and sometimes I might toss a little compost back it to ensure a good start.
I like adding back dried plant matter that is N prevalent at this time and some of that contains some bio sources too...

Dr. Who said:

Bad idea! That would kill the living goodness - both bacteria and fungus.....

In my organic recycle. I add back some EWC and sometimes I might toss a little compost back it to ensure a good start.
I like adding back dried plant matter that is N prevalent at this time and some of that contains some bio sources too...

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I know i was kidding doc pokin a little fun

It's been about a week and now I have only 2 doing the mysterious spiraling of the leaves. One in particular has gotten much worse while the other has show significant improvement. This follows a flush and application of diatomaceous earth (took out the remaining mites so a win anyhow). I'll apply a few more pictures but I am still stumped on what it could be. I am moving the 5 that originally had issues to the outdoors as my 20x36 greenhouse is packed as it is. I am wondering if it is re-veg? These are my buddies and he was just going to Throw them in the trash so I said I'd use em and see what happens for shits and gigs so it's not a total loss regardless. These ones in particular are 5 month old plants and am wondering if the age or his last light cycle is what is causing this stress? Not a clue at this point as you can tell.


NOTE: That is all on the new growth and not on any old growth. Also, that is diatomaceous not mildew haha

Anyone have any ideas as to what my latest pictures may be showing? I have only ruled out mites. Grabbed a PH pen today and am going to test my soil as well as the water once again.